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You got that fake news consumed pretty good.
1. Socialism <> Communism, and you should know this as a citizen of Europe, as we have a number of great democracies, capitalistic democracies with checks and balances very very anti totalitarian and very very anti tyrannies and very very not corrupt - WITH - some socialism sprinkled on top.
2. All that you posted there is what the American right, alt-right, is trying to mainstream with help from Moscow and it is the very left you talk about that is in opposition.
There be no communists on the left any more than there are nazis on the right.
This is what extreme actors WANT you to think... It is a trap!
Please come around.

We may, we also had Stalin, Pol Pot, Chechesku, etc... To say these regimes weren't socialist and communist is to deny history! I mean these countries and mainstream history says they were. The difference between socialism and communism is literally just the political part of it. But how can you have communism without politics? So to me it doesn't make sense to distinguish it, because in order to have socialism you have to have it through politics, NO ONE will voluntarily give up his own property and become socialist.

and again that list in worldwide, not just in Europe.
 

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Admitted to tax fraud and financial corruption that happened 5-15 years ago!!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously evil conservative to you,( even though I'm not, not even from or in the USA), so I'll just post this video from hardcore progressive Jimmy Dore who voted for the Green Party for Christs sake in the last election to explain it best! Hope you watch the whole video, its only 15min. long! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLczQfuymMc





YOU say Russia was using false info and stuff, but we should trust the SAME RUSSIA for the info on Trump? So the evil Russia gave info that the same evil Russia controls Trump? Does that make any sense to you? How is that logical?

Its like Hitler saying Hitler is a bad guy! Would would Russia says Russia controls Trump? Why trust anything Russia says in the first place if they are so evil? Why trust the dossier?

A. All countries try to influence elections to a certain degree, China does it, Israel does it, Britain does it, USA does it, its nothing new. That is 100% separate from Trump serving Putin or secretly being a Russia spy. That is absurd!
List all of the liberal policies you do agree with in the US, are there any?
 

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Holy shit you're actually retarded. Are you seriously saying that selective info handed out by the fucking Kremlin is the same as info gathered by an ex-Western intelligence officer whose specialty was Russia. Yeah, I'm done here.
He was paid for by Hillary Clinton you dumb moron, you dumb imbecile, do you actually have any brain at all?

He then gathered information from RUSSIA! From russian officials. How come Russia gave him dirt about Russia? Who can fucking even verify his info? No names, no dates, no numbers, no evidence.

All he did was produce a hit piece that Hillary wanted and paid for! Simple as that! I can pay any former spy to write that all "people" at CNN are lizard creatures from another dimension, doesn't make it true!
 

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He took all of his information from Russia you MORON, you retard, you imbecile, you fcuktard, you filth, you dumbass piece of useless dumb trash! Fucking waste of space you dumb stupid ass sissy !!

oh yeah, clearly someone in control of their emotions, here. I understand such projections to be the outward display of an individual that has swallowed and digested nothing but unadulterated lies for the last several years, and his Ego is now suddenly at war with his Id, and now the Super Ego is letting the world know what happens when a flesh-based human absorbs so much terrible information. It's like a pressure-release valve or the septic tank is finally bursting from overuse.

Seek help.
 
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Admitted to tax fraud and financial corruption that happened 5-15 years ago!!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously evil conservative to you,( even though I'm not, not even from or in the USA), so I'll just post this video from hardcore progressive Jimmy Dore who voted for the Green Party for Christs sake in the last election to explain it best! Hope you watch the whole video, its only 15min. long! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLczQfuymMc





YOU say Russia was using false info and stuff, but we should trust the SAME RUSSIA for the info on Trump? So the evil Russia gave info that the same evil Russia controls Trump? Does that make any sense to you? How is that logical?

Its like Hitler saying Hitler is a bad guy! Would would Russia says Russia controls Trump? Why trust anything Russia says in the first place if they are so evil? Why trust the dossier?

A. All countries try to influence elections to a certain degree, China does it, Israel does it, Britain does it, USA does it, its nothing new. That is 100% separate from Trump serving Putin or secretly being a Russia spy. That is absurd!

Maybe the MAGA tards are on to something. I’ll treat you the way they treats others.
I’m for America, I’m from America and I don’t give a shit about what your shitty opinion is.
#MAGA
 

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List all of the liberal policies you do agree with in the US, are there any?

I agree with former liberal ideas like free speech, privacy, holding big corporations accountable with our dollars, not buying Apple or Nike who use slave labor, exposing these types of things and voting with our money, liberal drug policies, liberal marriage policies, liberal policing, humble foreign policy, etc... All former liberal policies, few liberals actually stand for these anymore.

It was a staple of liberal ideology just 10 years ago, but everyone who is liberal/progressive these days hates all of these!
 

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I agree with former liberal ideas like free speech, privacy, holding big corporations accountable with our dollars, not buying Apple or Nike who use slave labor, exposing these types of things and voting with our money, liberal drug policies, liberal marriage policies, liberal policing, humble foreign policy, etc... All former liberal policies, few liberals actually stand for these anymore.

It was a staple of liberal ideology just 10 years ago, but everyone who is liberal/progressive these days hates all of these!
So, it all went to shit the moment Obama was elected?
 

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It's like conservatives didn't notice Putin's total dominance of Trump in Helsinki. Total. Dominance.

Never mind what our own intelligence services say. Trump sees no reason it would be Russia meddling on his behalf. Well, until he flip flops into wouldn't be the next day. And the Trump tower meeting wasn't to get dirt on Hillary, until it was. Flynn & Sessions never lied about contacts with the Russians until it was revealed that they had.

But it's all about the Steele dossier being suspect, of course, because Russia.
 
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He was paid for by Hillary Clinton you dumb moron, you dumb imbecile, do you actually have any brain at all?

He then gathered information from RUSSIA! From russian officials. How come Russia gave him dirt about Russia? Who can fucking even verify his info? No names, no dates, no numbers, no evidence.

All he did was produce a hit piece that Hillary wanted and paid for! Simple as that! I can pay any former spy to write that all "people" at CNN are lizard creatures from another dimension, doesn't make it true!

Also, not exactly true. but when do you care about such things? The project began a year before the Clinton campaign took over. It was started by a republican donor. The fact is, Clinton herself didn't even know this project was part of their campaign. Do you know here Steele actually took his research? The FBI and then to senator John McCain.

The more you believe in pure bullshit, the more you sound like a fool.

Here's a good profile on your self-absorbed Greenwald hero.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwald-the-bane-of-their-resistance

Again, the guy was never a journalist. He's a lawyer and a blogger with one brobdingnagnian loud mouth. Obviously, you'd be the first to deny the points regarding the Russia investigation that Glenn as now conceded to, but that is because your brain is unconsciously defending you from the poisoned story that you can constructed within yourself.
 
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A unhinged con man with delusions of competence whose very best appointees also think he is dangerous. A 2 yr old in a China shop. His danger is self-inflated. Without a single redeeming quality

Trump is the same person he always has been. A liar and a cheat. He has literally always been famous for those two things.
 
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ecogen

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He was paid for by Hillary Clinton you dumb moron, you dumb imbecile, do you actually have any brain at all?

Actually Fusion GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative publication. When Trump got the nominations the Clinton campaign kept paying them for opposition research, so what?
Fusion GPS hired Steele, not Clinton.

He then gathered information from RUSSIA! From russian officials. How come Russia gave him dirt about Russia? Who can fucking even verify his info? No names, no dates, no numbers, no evidence.

Are you fucking retarded? How do you think intelligence services have functioned since their inception? If what you're saying is true no intelligence service has ever gotten anything about the country they're seeking info from. Holy shit dude. Look up Christopher Steele and what he has done throughout his career.

All he did was produce a hit piece that Hillary wanted and paid for! Simple as that! I can pay any former spy to write that all "people" at CNN are lizard creatures from another dimension, doesn't make it true!

A bunch of stuff from the dossier has already been confirmed, sorry that spoils your narrative. Even the fucking FBI deemed it important enough to further look into it.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-russia-dossier-true-proven-929839 And this is from July.

So in conclusion: You're just regurgitating retarded right wing talking points.
 

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So, it all went to shit the moment Obama was elected?
That is for the simple minded. It was brewing from before, I wouldn't even say when Obama took over it changed a lot, I'd say the last 5 years its sped up significantly, but Obama is just a single non important man who was granted the presidency at the Bilderberg meeting, which he and Clinton both attended.

Remember the plane full of journalists that were supposed to fly with Obama on his campaign? Yeah, he flew them all to another state, in which time he went to the Bilderberg meeting, as did Hillary and he was decided to be allowed to become president there and then and he did.

Its been brewing for a while, in the schools and colleges to brainwash kids to think the way they think now. To butcher the "liberal" word with everything that is against liberalism.
 

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Nothing yet has happened to shake my belief that Trump has essentially no considered ideology of his own. He's an authoritarian purely by personality - it suits his narcissism and he has always had the money to project and indulge it. Calling him a fascist is almost giving him too much credit. Trump is motivated by fame and fortune, nothing else. And the former probably because it leads to more of the latter.

You could call Trump an accidental fascist, which sadly, there is a significant number of fascist voters off which he is feeding. There are a number of American voters who would accept fascism, so long as it is never called that of course. As long as they get their agenda through. Much as has happened in other countries throughout history, the fascist are finding willing allies in other right-wing camps. People are willing to accept a little fascism to get their <fill in the blank>. If Trump were competent, then he could maybe make himself "dictator". Thankfully he doesn't seem to understand that a good authoritarian needs a strong inner circle of allies to help control all of the levers of power, and Trump just isn't good at making friends. Even out of political necessity.
 
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That is for the simple minded. It was brewing from before, I wouldn't even say when Obama took over it changed a lot, I'd say the last 5 years its sped up significantly, but Obama is just a single non important man who was granted the presidency at the Bilderberg meeting, which he and Clinton both attended.

Remember the plane full of journalists that were supposed to fly with Obama on his campaign? Yeah, he flew them all to another state, in which time he went to the Bilderberg meeting, as did Hillary and he was decided to be allowed to become president there and then and he did.

Its been brewing for a while, in the schools and colleges to brainwash kids to think the way they think now. To butcher the "liberal" word with everything that is against liberalism.

Ah, so insanity it is.

lol,
 

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That is for the simple minded. It was brewing from before, I wouldn't even say when Obama took over it changed a lot, I'd say the last 5 years its sped up significantly, but Obama is just a single non important man who was granted the presidency at the Bilderberg meeting, which he and Clinton both attended.

Remember the plane full of journalists that were supposed to fly with Obama on his campaign? Yeah, he flew them all to another state, in which time he went to the Bilderberg meeting, as did Hillary and he was decided to be allowed to become president there and then and he did.

Its been brewing for a while, in the schools and colleges to brainwash kids to think the way they think now. To butcher the "liberal" word with everything that is against liberalism.

Oh wow. Now I feel bad for bothering to even respond to you. Have a nice life buddy, best of wishes.
 
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fskimospy

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Admitted to tax fraud and financial corruption that happened 5-15 years ago!!!!!!!!!

Those are only some of the charges and he is going on trial this month for more Russia related things.

I'm obviously evil conservative to you,( even though I'm not, not even from or in the USA), so I'll just post this video from hardcore progressive Jimmy Dore who voted for the Green Party for Christs sake in the last election to explain it best! Hope you watch the whole video, its only 15min. long! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLczQfuymMc

You’re trying to make this emotional when it’s not. I don’t care about your feelings or what you think politically, I’m only dealing in facts. You need to be able to separate your feelings about what should be true from the facts of what is true.


say Russia was using false info and stuff, but we should trust the SAME RUSSIA for the info on Trump? So the evil Russia gave info that the same evil Russia controls Trump? Does that make any sense to you? How is that logical?

You aren’t thinking about this logically. The Russian GOVERNEMENT engaged in a misinformation campaign against the US. It is perfectly logical that individuals in that government could provide individually accurate information. Why would it be one entity?

Its like Hitler saying Hitler is a bad guy! Would would Russia says Russia controls Trump? Why trust anything Russia says in the first place if they are so evil? Why trust the dossier?

See above. It’s illogical to think that because the Russian government is doing something that every person in it is similarly untrustworthy.

A. All countries try to influence elections to a certain degree, China does it, Israel does it, Britain does it, USA does it, its nothing new. That is 100% separate from Trump serving Putin or secretly being a Russia spy. That is absurd!

Everyone does it is not a logical argument.
 

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He took all of his information from Russia you MORON, you retard, you imbecile, you fcuktard, you filth, you dumbass piece of useless dumb trash! Fucking waste of space you dumb stupid ass sissy !!

Do you not know how intelligence works?
 

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Do you not know how intelligence works?
He is a known former spy, and no spying is not like James Bond. They get very specific information and it usually takes YEARS and YEARS or undercover work. You don't have known former spies working in private spy firms doing actual spying. He didn't go and spy on people in Russia, he literally contacted Russia people, supposedly former officials who said Trump works for russia.

All he did is supposedly contact former russian officials who said Trump works for Russia. WTF? You don't even know Russian people, 95% of them are extremely nationalistic, you won't get them to implicit Russia into something like this, especially not former officials. But again no names, no evidence, no nothing. Just the writing off a former British spy who got paid to write dirt of Trump.
 

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He is a known former spy, and no spying is not like James Bond. They get very specific information and it usually takes YEARS and YEARS or undercover work. You don't have known former spies working in private spy firms doing actual spying. He didn't go and spy on people in Russia, he literally contacted Russia people, supposedly former officials who said Trump works for russia.

All he did is supposedly contact former russian officials who said Trump works for Russia. WTF? You don't even know Russian people, 95% of them are extremely nationalistic, you won't get them to implicit Russia into something like this, especially not former officials. But again no names, no evidence, no nothing. Just the writing off a former British spy who got paid to write dirt of Trump.

So you have no idea how intelligence works, haha.

You just claimed that no one in Russia could be a trusted source because everyone in it would lie about that. Surely you see how irrational you’re being.

Remember this is about what IS true, not what you FEEL should be true.
 
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Ah, so insanity it is.

lol,
Insanity about what?

Here is a hardcore liberal website, this is Salon.com on steroids writing about this in 2008. https://www.wonkette.com/hillary-baracks-very-special-bilderberg-date-night

Again, ignorance is bliss in the 1984 world we live in today!

Here is ABC talking about the "dissapearing" act. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=5012995&page=1

They don't tell you the meeting between Clinton and Obama took place literally less than a hundred feet from the Bilderberg meeting. NO, they actually met at the bilderberg meeting!
 
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The difference between socialism and communism is literally just the political part of it.

- "just" ?

But how can you have communism without politics? So to me it doesn't make sense to distinguish it, because in order to have socialism you have to have it through politics, NO ONE will voluntarily give up his own property and become socialist.

and again that list in worldwide, not just in Europe.

I think you need to have your faith in human kind restored.
Give up property to become socialist? What the hell are you talking about?
I make bank. I gladly pay my taxes for this "socialism" .. for a good number of reasons..
You can have capitalism and socialism at the same time you know ... you dont have to go full retard in either one direction ... Thats like saying if you are not alt-right, then you must be alt-left ... WTF dude. I know binary logic is easier on the mind in day to day operations, but I do encourage you to stretch your imagination....
 
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So you have no idea how intelligence works, haha.

You just claimed that no one in Russia could be a trusted source because everyone in it would lie about that. Surely you see how irrational you’re being.

Remember this is about what IS true, not what you FEEL should be true.
Why are you talking about NON EXISTENT THINGS? We are talking about the Russian dossier, NOT about spying in general. Within THAT CONTEXT of course it can't be trusted and it isn't reputable.

Are we talking about spying in general? NO! I'm not! I' talking within the context of the info Steele supposedly got. He literally supposedly contacted former Russian officials! WTF? Why are you bullshiting so hard?

Really simple so even a 5yo can understand:

1. Former and known British spy gets paid by the Clinton's for dirt on Trump.
2. Steele then supposedly contacts former Russian officials(not current, former, yet they still supposedly had this key Trump info).
3. Said former russian officials told him that Trump works for Russia.
4. Special investigation based on a paid document, based on the information of former russian officials, of course NO actual evidence of any of this. No names, no recordings, no messages, no evidence at all of the supposed info. We should all just believe a paid former spy who's sole job was to to find dirt on Trump.
 

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Why are you talking about NON EXISTENT THINGS? We are talking about the Russian dossier, NOT about spying in general. Within THAT CONTEXT of course it can't be trusted and it isn't reputable.

Are we talking about spying in general? NO! I'm not! I' talking within the context of the info Steele supposedly got. He literally supposedly contacted former Russian officials! WTF? Why are you bullshiting so hard?

Really simple so even a 5yo can understand:

1. Former and known British spy gets paid by the Clinton's for dirt on Trump.
2. Steele then supposedly contacts former Russian officials(not current, former, yet they still supposedly had this key Trump info).
3. Said former russian officials told him that Trump works for Russia.
4. Special investigation based on a paid document, based on the information of former russian officials, of course NO actual evidence of any of this. No names, no recordings, no messages, no evidence at all of the supposed info. We should all just believe a paid former spy who's sole job was to to find dirt on Trump.

You’re being irrational and now you’re just making things up. Focus on FACTS not your FEELINGS.

Contacting former Russian officials isn’t just not a problem, it’s exactly what he should be doing. Who else would have good information about the Russian government other than officials? Of course he would contact officials! It would be incompetent not to! As for him being paid, of course he was paid. It would be far, far more suspicious if he did it for free. As for ‘no evidence’ this is crazed ranting. Of course there is evidence, that’s what the dossier is all about!

You’re trying to impugn the motivations of the dossier’s author because you can’t refute the evidence otherwise. Also, the dossier is about 5% of the evidence of Russian collusion with Trump. There’s a reason why so many people are headed to prison, after all.

I mean we literally have published emails of Trump’s own son saying that he welcomes collusion with the Russian government and you’re still trying to deny it. Why are you being so irrational?

Reals, not feels.
 

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You’re being irrational and now you’re just making things up. Focus on FACTS not your FEELINGS.

Contacting former Russian officials isn’t just not a problem, it’s exactly what he should be doing. Who else would have good information about the Russian government other than officials? Of course he would contact officials! It would be incompetent not to! As for him being paid, of course he was paid. It would be far, far more suspicious if he did it for free. As for ‘no evidence’ this is crazed ranting. Of course there is evidence, that’s what the dossier is all about!

You’re trying to impugn the motivations of the dossier’s author because you can’t refute the evidence otherwise. Also, the dossier is about 5% of the evidence of Russian collusion with Trump. There’s a reason why so many people are headed to prison, after all.

I mean we literally have published emails of Trump’s own son saying that he welcomes collusion with the Russian government and you’re still trying to deny it. Why are you being so irrational?

Reals, not feels.
Yeah former Russian officials would never have any ties/communication to current officials at all, can't you get that? LOL
 
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Insanity about what?

Here is a hardcore liberal website, this is Salon.com on steroids writing about this in 2008. https://www.wonkette.com/hillary-baracks-very-special-bilderberg-date-night

Again, ignorance is bliss in the 1984 world we live in today!

Here is ABC talking about the "dissapearing" act. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=5012995&page=1

They don't tell you the meeting between Clinton and Obama took place literally less than a hundred feet from the Bilderberg meeting. NO, they actually met at the bilderberg meeting!

Cool Story Bro