Bob Woodward: Trump's aides stole his papers 'to protect the country'

[mikeymikec]

helped defeat socialism that killed over 200 million people here in Europe,

These days its garbage, literal garbage that dumbs people down!

Yup, literal garbage like Nazi-ism has any relation whatsoever to socialism.

I'm doing my small individual bit to help defeat this new bullshit, insane belief.

Start with yourself. Seriously.

Start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misnomer
Apply what you learnt there to here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany
And then acknowledge your gargantuan mistake here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

[ecogen]

Yup, literal garbage like Nazi-ism has any relation whatsoever to socialism.

Ah the old "it's in the name, checkmate leftists". It's like the DPRK, totally a democracy amirite?

 

[zinfamous]

well, russia is eastern europe.

technically, Europe ends at the Caucuses, I believe. There is a long historical push and pull that sees Western Europe never really embracing Russia as part of the group, along with various periods where Russia either wants to consider themselves not Europe (the west is evil), or please please please let us be Europe...but mostly they consider themselves separate from Europe.

Eastern Europe are the countries that are just further east: Poland Czech Repubs and Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia...some other --enias, I think.

Most consider the Baltic states "Eastern Europe," but they aren't. They are officially considered part of "Northern Europe." Culturally and demographically, they aren't really similar to any other country but themselves (except those Estonians, who are basically Finns, and the Finns are basically Estonians--why don't they just figure out that shit already!?)

 

[SMOGZINN]

Where are you from? Serious question. Because as an actual European I would never in a hundred fucking years want our policies to change to be more in line with the US. Their education system apart from their universities is garbage, their health insurance/healthcare system is garbage, their worker protections are basically non-existent, social safety nets are mostly absent, their fucking crime/homicide rates are comparable to 3rd world countries.

Now I don't mean to shit on the US, I've been there a number of times and there's plenty of things to love about the country. Their policies are not one of them.

So tell me what of the above should we bring over and why?

Honestly as an American that is well grounded in our history I can say that the main advantage that America has is that we built up some serious manufacturing power at the first half of the last century and then were lucky enough to not get it blown up 70 years ago. Because of that we able to build up a powerhouse economy while the rest of the world rebuilt the basics, with that we built a powerhouse military, which let us bully smaller powers and kept our stuff from getting blown up, and have been coasting on that advantage ever sense.

But we have mostly squandered most of that. We have moved most of the manufacturing to other countries in the pursuit of higher profits. Our economic policies almost exclusively rely on the fact that the rest of the world is required to deal with us, but that is changing. Soon counties will have the ability to choose to ignore America and deal with China instead. Our ability to bully other countries is waning in the face of increased nuclear proliferation and terrorist tactics. America is going to have to eat some real humble pie in the next century, and I'm not at all sure we can swallow it.

 

[fskimospy]

Honestly as an American that is well grounded in our history I can say that the main advantage that America has is that we built up some serious manufacturing power at the first half of the last century and then were lucky enough to not get it blown up 70 years ago. Because of that we able to build up a powerhouse economy while the rest of the world rebuilt the basics, with that we built a powerhouse military, which let us bully smaller powers and kept our stuff from getting blown up, and have been coasting on that advantage ever sense.

But we have mostly squandered most of that. We have moved most of the manufacturing to other countries in the pursuit of higher profits. Our economic policies almost exclusively rely on the fact that the rest of the world is required to deal with us, but that is changing. Soon counties will have the ability to choose to ignore America and deal with China instead. Our ability to bully other countries is waning in the face of increased nuclear proliferation and terrorist tactics. America is going to have to eat some real humble pie in the next century, and I'm not at all sure we can swallow it.

I don’t think most economists put US economic advantages in the latter half of the 20th century as being a result of not being devastated by WW2. It’s mostly a continuation of advantages we already had - a large, quickly growing population, abundant natural resources that were relatively easy to access. I’m also not sure why manufacturing is necessary or even desirable for us to specialize in. It’s generally dirty and dangerous for your population. The things we specialize in are generally much more profitable.

As for waning US hegemony that has always seemed kind of inevitable since previously it mostly rested on the world’s most populous nations being political basket cases. China has three times our population. Of course they will eventually end up with more economic power, if anything it’s kind of amazing we have held the top spot for this long.

 

[Guru]

Greenwald is fine except for the fact that he can’t admit when he’s wrong. The Russia investigation is a great example of that. When someone gets as invested in their position as he does they lose the objectivity necessary for good journalism.

It’s sad because he’s clearly a smart guy, he just wasn’t cut out for reporting.

Thank you for actually having a brain and being a human. First actual decent response, that isn't mindless, idiotic attacks and insults and whining like little babies.

Something that we can actually debate and argue. So thank you for that, you have my respect for being polite and posting a human coherent sentence, that isn't slogans or talking words.

On to Greenwald then. As far as I can tell he is invested in the truth and fighting for privacy and accountability. From his days of blogger to Salon to The Guardian to now at the intercept, many of his articles have been investigative journalism with actual facts and hard numbers. Even his editorials are based on facts and as much as I disagree with his economic policies and cheers for socialism and ultra hardcore progressivism he is 100% when it comes to foreign policy, national security policy, geopolitics and holding the "elites" in media and business accountable.

I agree with Greenwald and Jimmy Dore and Eric Weinstein and Noam Chomsky, actual reasonable leftists who aren't in the "elite" in mainstream media and this bought and paid for and ALL of these people are saying that the Russia investigation is a farse essentially and I agree.

The whole Russia investigation into Trump is based on the "dossier" that was MADE UP and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON. She paid a British SPY who went to Russia and asked supposedly FORMER Russian officials about dirt on Trump and they came up with "Trump is Putin's robot who gets commands over the internet downloaded to his head and follows all of his masters wishes". Pretty much how the dossier read. A document paid and bought for by Hillary Clinton, done by a FORMER British SPY from info from RUSSIA, you kinow the same country that is investigated about FALSE INFORMATION AND meddling in US elections.

The whole investigation is a JOKE!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^^Now Hillary is a future teller? She made shit up years ago that has been proven to be true?
You convienently left the part out where the dossier began with Low Energy Jeb and a conservative think tank/PAC

It’s so weird that you’ve confessed to not being an American but you are so deeply entrenched in US Politics.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Thank you for actually having a brain and being a human. First actual decent response, that isn't mindless, idiotic attacks and insults and whining like little babies.

Something that we can actually debate and argue. So thank you for that, you have my respect for being polite and posting a human coherent sentence, that isn't slogans or talking words.

On to Greenwald then. As far as I can tell he is invested in the truth and fighting for privacy and accountability. From his days of blogger to Salon to The Guardian to now at the intercept, many of his articles have been investigative journalism with actual facts and hard numbers. Even his editorials are based on facts and as much as I disagree with his economic policies and cheers for socialism and ultra hardcore progressivism he is 100% when it comes to foreign policy, national security policy, geopolitics and holding the "elites" in media and business accountable.

I agree with Greenwald and Jimmy Dore and Eric Weinstein and Noam Chomsky, actual reasonable leftists who aren't in the "elite" in mainstream media and this bought and paid for and ALL of these people are saying that the Russia investigation is a farse essentially and I agree.

The whole Russia investigation into Trump is based on the "dossier" that was MADE UP and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON. She paid a British SPY who went to Russia and asked supposedly FORMER Russian officials about dirt on Trump and they came up with "Trump is Putin's robot who gets commands over the internet downloaded to his head and follows all of his masters wishes". Pretty much how the dossier read. A document paid and bought for by Hillary Clinton, done by a FORMER British SPY from info from RUSSIA, you kinow the same country that is investigated about FALSE INFORMATION AND meddling in US elections.

The whole investigation is a JOKE!

Reminder to all. The above is from a guy who said he does not live in the US & not an American.

 

[Guru]

Poland.. You are Polish? No you are Finnish.
Def. Polish. Socialism killed 200M people in europe? I think I slept through that class, you got a link for that? Also you should evaluate where your anti US feelings originate from, where did you read that story that ressonated with you the first time.
Is America perfect double fuck no... This is how it goes, you fail alot and learn alot, shit will swing back for the US, in the meantime, are you gonna turn your back to your greatest ally in time of need in time of darkness? Who needs enemies and all that.
At the end of the day America is this planets champion for democracy. I LOVE MY DEMOCRACY and you can pry it from my dead cold hands. The globe WILL unite, or we will all perish(logical fact).. we still have a say in how this is going to play out... are we still going to be free people? Have free elections? Red China iron grip? Vlad-elections? Buckle up ffs, shoulder to shoulder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Anti US feelings? Anti leftist SJW, PC, etc... everything I already wrote several times. The USA has always been great until recently when it was taken over and brainwashed to become collectivist Borg essentially, where leftist would destroy their own rights in the name of progress. Essentially progress towards totalitarianism, tyranny, collectivism and enslavement!

USA was great just 30 years ago. Spreaders of free markets, hard work, smaller government, rugged individualism, believing in yourself, freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, defeaters of socialism and communism all over the world, etc...

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree with Greenwald and Jimmy Dore and Eric Weinstein and Noam Chomsky, actual reasonable leftists who aren't in the "elite" in mainstream media and this bought and paid for and ALL of these people are saying that the Russia investigation is a farse essentially and I agree.

The whole Russia investigation into Trump is based on the "dossier" that was MADE UP and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON. She paid a British SPY who went to Russia and asked supposedly FORMER Russian officials about dirt on Trump and they came up with "Trump is Putin's robot who gets commands over the internet downloaded to his head and follows all of his masters wishes". Pretty much how the dossier read. A document paid and bought for by Hillary Clinton, done by a FORMER British SPY from info from RUSSIA, you kinow the same country that is investigated about FALSE INFORMATION AND meddling in US elections.

The whole investigation is a JOKE!

So you also agree completely with Trump, Fox News and Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Rush, etc.

 

[brycejones]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Anti US feelings? Anti leftist SJW, PC, etc... everything I already wrote several times. The USA has always been great until recently when it was taken over and brainwashed to become collectivist Borg essentially, where leftist would destroy their own rights in the name of progress. Essentially progress towards totalitarianism, tyranny, collectivism and enslavement!

USA was great just 30 years ago. Spreaders of free markets, hard work, smaller government, rugged individualism, believing in yourself, freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, defeaters of socialism and communism all over the world, etc...

So Polish, your government is going to the dogs.

 

[Josephus312]

Both, you can tells straight facts and do it with a leftist spin and not be telling lies. And I'm talking about CNN in the USA, I'm not talking about CNN nordic or whatever or licenced local media for CNN. I'm talking about Cooper, Wolf, Cuomo, etc...

I'm sorry but you'll need to FUCKING PRESENT THE FACTS, not just claim that they are facts.

And people here should stop their usual bullshit by bullying others and calling names and insulting in the hopes that they disappear and they run this forum as a collectivist extremist leftist HQ, because I'm not going to stop.

they just end up exposing themselves for the snowflake, factless and ignorant fools they are!

Whines about being bullied, presents only opinion and never backs it up and has the gall to call others snowflakes and factless.

If you are not trolling there is something seriously wrong with your brain and that isn't an insult, that's a motherfucking statement of FACT!

 

[Guru]

So you also agree completely with Trump, Fox News and Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Rush, etc.

No I don't. See? You just assume stuff based on NOTHING.

I disagree with Trump on trade policy, tariffs, subsidies for farmers, his drug policy, his privacy policies, many of his foreign policies, etc... Sean Hannity I don't even know what he stands for, don't watch or listen to his programs, Carlson I agree with on his anti PC, SJW stuff for sure, and foreign policy, but actually disagree with him on probably half of the issues.

The issue I see on the left, mostly in the USA, but creeping here into Europe as well is that it's ALL about feelings and NOT about facts and evidence and reason! The left is always right and if you disagree you are racist, sexist, bigot. That is why I think the left is the much bigger problem right now!

Yeah the right can be just as bad or worse, but currently they are not worse, its the left who are extreme and terrible.

 

[zinfamous]

Thank you for actually having a brain and being a human. First actual decent response, that isn't mindless, idiotic attacks and insults and whining like little babies.

Something that we can actually debate and argue. So thank you for that, you have my respect for being polite and posting a human coherent sentence, that isn't slogans or talking words.

So, when do you plan to contribute such a post?

 

[Josephus312]

Carlson I agree with on his anti PC, SJW stuff for sure

And people here should stop their usual bullshit by bullying others and calling names and insulting

Do you understand how these two statements of yours are contradictory?

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you for actually having a brain and being a human. First actual decent response, that isn't mindless, idiotic attacks and insults and whining like little babies.

Something that we can actually debate and argue. So thank you for that, you have my respect for being polite and posting a human coherent sentence, that isn't slogans or talking words.

On to Greenwald then. As far as I can tell he is invested in the truth and fighting for privacy and accountability. From his days of blogger to Salon to The Guardian to now at the intercept, many of his articles have been investigative journalism with actual facts and hard numbers. Even his editorials are based on facts and as much as I disagree with his economic policies and cheers for socialism and ultra hardcore progressivism he is 100% when it comes to foreign policy, national security policy, geopolitics and holding the "elites" in media and business accountable.

I agree with Greenwald and Jimmy Dore and Eric Weinstein and Noam Chomsky, actual reasonable leftists who aren't in the "elite" in mainstream media and this bought and paid for and ALL of these people are saying that the Russia investigation is a farse essentially and I agree.

If it’s a farce why have so many people pleaded guilty already and the investigation is still ongoing?

Considering the overwhelming evidence already established anyone who is saying the investigation is a farce at this point isn’t living in reality. Even Greenwald has been sloooooowly walking back his position because even he realizes it’s untenable.

The whole Russia investigation into Trump is based on the "dossier" that was MADE UP and PAID FOR by HILLARY CLINTON. She paid a British SPY

First, it wasn’t made up. That’s nonsense. Second, of course she paid for it. Unlike Trump she wasn’t looking to break campaign finance laws. Third, a spy seems like an excellent person to ask. Why would that be an issue? It’s just common sense.

who went to Russia and asked supposedly FORMER Russian officials about dirt on Trump and they came up with "Trump is Putin's robot who gets commands over the internet downloaded to his head and follows all of his masters wishes". Pretty much how the dossier read.

That is not how it read at all, for someone complaining about people making things up that’s what you’re doing right now.

A document paid and bought for by Hillary Clinton, done by a FORMER British SPY from info from RUSSIA, you kinow the same country that is investigated about FALSE INFORMATION AND meddling in US elections.

The whole investigation is a JOKE!

I’m not sure why you’re capitalizing these things other than you appear to think they are important. If Russia is spreading false information it wouldn’t matter if it were former officials and under no circumstances would it matter if it were collected by a spy. I mean think how silly your argument is. When the US intelligence community collects intel on a foreign adversary do you think our government says ‘wait, it was collected by a SPY!’?

The investigation is deadly serious and any reasonably objective person can see Trump is likely implicated in it. In the end a lot of his associates will end up in prison, the only reason Trump himself probably won’t end up in prison is that there’s likely to be a political deal to keep him out as he’s guilty as hell.

 

[zinfamous]

No I don't. See? You just assume stuff based on NOTHING.
.

It's based on reading the content of your posts and the ideas presented within, that are repeated verbatim from the most insane fringe alt-right and socio-terrorist fringe leftists websites. Your perspective is not referential to a cogent distillation of the known facts and the serious reporting that has happened regarding this topic. Also, you invent scenarios and legal precedent that are not based in reality (the illegality or falseness of Steele's work, which was funded by a wealthy GOP donor and then the Clinton campaign. So far, all of the information that has been investigated has proven to be true. Nothing in that work that has been tested, has been factually disproven. That's actually the only fact regarding this issue. Any other claims are pure fabrications)

 

[fskimospy]

No I don't. See? You just assume stuff based on NOTHING.

I disagree with Trump on trade policy, tariffs, subsidies for farmers, his drug policy, his privacy policies, many of his foreign policies, etc... Sean Hannity I don't even know what he stands for, don't watch or listen to his programs, Carlson I agree with on his anti PC, SJW stuff for sure, and foreign policy, but actually disagree with him on probably half of the issues.

The issue I see on the left, mostly in the USA, but creeping here into Europe as well is that it's ALL about feelings and NOT about facts and evidence and reason! The left is always right and if you disagree you are racist, sexist, bigot. That is why I think the left is the much bigger problem right now!

Yeah the right can be just as bad or worse, but currently they are not worse, its the left who are extreme and terrible.

Someone else said you live in Poland, is that true? If so, you need to stop worrying about US politics and worry about your own as your country is being taken over by fascists before your eyes.

The extreme right is the largest threat to western democracy that exists today and it’s happening right now in Poland. Everyone should join together to fight the right and it’s threat to democracy both in the US and in Poland.

 

[soundforbjt]

No I don't. See? You just assume stuff based on NOTHING.

I disagree with Trump on trade policy, tariffs, subsidies for farmers, his drug policy, his privacy policies, many of his foreign policies, etc... Sean Hannity I don't even know what he stands for, don't watch or listen to his programs, Carlson I agree with on his anti PC, SJW stuff for sure, and foreign policy, but actually disagree with him on probably half of the issues.

The issue I see on the left, mostly in the USA, but creeping here into Europe as well is that it's ALL about feelings and NOT about facts and evidence and reason! The left is always right and if you disagree you are racist, sexist, bigot. That is why I think the left is the much bigger problem right now!

Yeah the right can be just as bad or worse, but currently they are not worse, its the left who are extreme and terrible.

I was referring to the "so called phony dossier".

 

[zinfamous]

Someone else said you live in Poland, is that true? If so, you need to stop worrying about US politics and worry about your own as your country is being taken over by fascists before your eyes.

The extreme right is the largest threat to western democracy that exists today and it’s happening right now in Poland. Everyone should join together to fight the right and it’s threat to democracy both in the US and in Poland.

I found this article to be fascinating, because it appears that there is some sympathetic nuance behind the current extreme-nationalist movement going on in Poland

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/30/is-poland-retreating-from-democracy

I think from a historic perspective, some of these grievances are real, but of course they push the boundary through to hard-right fascism to the point where separating blame for the various tragedies of the holocaust becomes outright denial of any and all responsibility which, of course, is problematic. One of the central complaints for these fascists seems to be that the world uses the term "Polish Concentration camps" instead of "German or Nazi" concentration camps when referencing holocaust history that occurred on Polish soil. They want to abolish that term. ....I think this sort of thing is fair, but I also think it's a soft complaint that is used to push policy beyond reason and is just a red herring in order to push through anti-democratic policies.

 

[Guru]

If it’s a farce why have so many people pleaded guilty already and the investigation is still ongoing?

Considering the overwhelming evidence already established anyone who is saying the investigation is a farce at this point isn’t living in reality. Even Greenwald has been sloooooowly walking back his position because even he realizes it’s untenable.

Admitted to tax fraud and financial corruption that happened 5-15 years ago!!!!!!!!!

I'm obviously evil conservative to you,( even though I'm not, not even from or in the USA), so I'll just post this video from hardcore progressive Jimmy Dore who voted for the Green Party for Christs sake in the last election to explain it best! Hope you watch the whole video, its only 15min. long! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLczQfuymMc

First, it wasn’t made up. That’s nonsense. Second, of course she paid for it. Unlike Trump she wasn’t looking to break campaign finance laws. Third, a spy seems like an excellent person to ask. Why would that be an issue? It’s just common sense.



That is not how it read at all, for someone complaining about people making things up that’s what you’re doing right now.



I’m not sure why you’re capitalizing these things other than you appear to think they are important. If Russia is spreading false information it wouldn’t matter if it were former officials and under no circumstances would it matter if it were collected by a spy. I mean think how silly your argument is. When the US intelligence community collects intel on a foreign adversary do you think our government says ‘wait, it was collected by a SPY!’?

The investigation is deadly serious and any reasonably objective person can see Trump is likely implicated in it. In the end a lot of his associates will end up in prison, the only reason Trump himself probably won’t end up in prison is that there’s likely to be a political deal to keep him out as he’s guilty as hell.

YOU say Russia was using false info and stuff, but we should trust the SAME RUSSIA for the info on Trump? So the evil Russia gave info that the same evil Russia controls Trump? Does that make any sense to you? How is that logical?

Its like Hitler saying Hitler is a bad guy! Would would Russia says Russia controls Trump? Why trust anything Russia says in the first place if they are so evil? Why trust the dossier?

A. All countries try to influence elections to a certain degree, China does it, Israel does it, Britain does it, USA does it, its nothing new. That is 100% separate from Trump serving Putin or secretly being a Russia spy. That is absurd!

 

[ecogen]

YOU say Russia was using false info and stuff, but we should trust the SAME RUSSIA for the info on Trump? So the evil Russia gave info that the same evil Russia controls Trump? Does that make any sense to you? How is that logical?

The Russian government giving info on someone isn't the same as a British ex-intelligence officer that was HEAD OF THE FUCKING RUSSIA BUREAU gathering info. Stop talking about logic, you clearly aren't using it. Not surprising for someone who is probably a PiS supporting moron.

 

[cytg111]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Anti US feelings? Anti leftist SJW, PC, etc... everything I already wrote several times. The USA has always been great until recently when it was taken over and brainwashed to become collectivist Borg essentially, where leftist would destroy their own rights in the name of progress. Essentially progress towards totalitarianism, tyranny, collectivism and enslavement!

USA was great just 30 years ago. Spreaders of free markets, hard work, smaller government, rugged individualism, believing in yourself, freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, defeaters of socialism and communism all over the world, etc...

You got that fake news consumed pretty good.
1. Socialism <> Communism, and you should know this as a citizen of Europe, as we have a number of great democracies, capitalistic democracies with checks and balances very very anti totalitarian and very very anti tyrannies and very very not corrupt - WITH - some socialism sprinkled on top.
2. All that you posted there is what the American right, alt-right, is trying to mainstream with help from Moscow and it is the very left you talk about that is in opposition.
There be no communists on the left any more than there are nazis on the right.
This is what extreme actors WANT you to think... It is a trap!
Please come around.

 

[Guru]

The Russian government giving info on someone isn't the same as a British ex-intelligence officer that was HEAD OF THE FUCKING RUSSIA BUREAU gathering info. Stop talking about logic, you clearly aren't using it. Not surprising for someone who is probably a PiS supporting moron.

He took all of his information from Russia you MORON, you retard, you imbecile, you fcuktard, you filth, you dumbass piece of useless dumb trash! Fucking waste of space you dumb stupid ass sissy !!

 

[ecogen]

He took all of his information from Russia you MORON, you retard, you imbecile, you fcuktard, you filth, you dumbass piece of useless dumb trash! Fucking waste of space you dumb stupid ass sissy !!

Holy shit you're actually retarded. Are you seriously saying that selective info handed out by the fucking Kremlin is the same as info gathered by an ex-Western intelligence officer whose specialty was Russia. Yeah, I'm done here.