BoA not going to charge $5 debit card fee

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Kadarin

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No one said that. And if they did, it isn't what they meant.

They have a right to ATTEMPT to make a profit. And this is their way of doing so. And I for one support the $5 fee. It'll weed out all the idiots who want something for nothing and perhaps get me better customer service.

I'm guessing you work for BofA, because that's some seriously fucking strong koolaid you're drinking. I can't think of any other explanation for that kind of stupidity; if you want to pay them $5/mo because you feel they deserve a profit, go ahead...

Newsflash: That $5 fee doesn't buy you any better customer service. It buys shareholders and CEOs extra bonus money.

Moynihan said that the bank will talk to its customers, teammates and shareholders and "they'll understand what we're doing -- understand we have a right to make a profit."

The CEO's exact words were that they have the right to make a profit, not the right to TRY to make a profit.

/shakes head/
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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No one said that. And if they did, it isn't what they meant.

They have a right to ATTEMPT to make a profit. And this is their way of doing so. And I for one support the $5 fee. It'll weed out all the idiots who want something for nothing and perhaps get me better customer service.
Yeah, it seems you don't understand that you give the bank the privilege of using YOUR money to make more money while you aren't using it. It has been this way throughout history, but you and BoA seem to have forgotten this. :mad:
 
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manlymatt83

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I'm guessing you work for BofA, because that's some seriously fucking strong koolaid you're drinking. I can't think of any other explanation for that kind of stupidity; if you want to pay them $5/mo because you feel they deserve a profit, go ahead...

Newsflash: That $5 fee doesn't buy you any better customer service. It buys shareholders and CEOs extra bonus money.



The CEO's exact words were that they have the right to make a profit, not the right to TRY to make a profit.

/shakes head/

No, I don't work for them. And in fact, I've overdrafted a few times this year and paid their hefty $35 fees too. But it's still worth it to have an ATM on every block, same day check posting, and a slew of other benefits. I also have two small business accounts with them.

I think when he said a "right", he meant that operating as a company, they have the right to profit off their customers (obviously, if they weren't profiting, they wouldn't be in business, unless Mr. G bailed them out again).
 

manly

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-of-America-nixes-5-debit-apf-1430157304.html?x=0

Fucking owned. Anyone that voluntarily stays with this company even after this decision deserves to be robbed by them.
aren't their fees inline with the other TBTF mega-banks? I actually think Citi's minimum balance requirements are the highest in the country. Do tens of millions of Americans who all bank with any of the big 4 or 5 deserve to be get robbed?

Just for the record, I've disliked BofA since well before it became so trendy. But as long as I'm not hit up with any fee, I won't need to move. If I had to go, there are CUs and some decent regional banks to consider here in CA.
 

dank69

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aren't their fees inline with the other TBTF mega-banks? I actually think Citi's minimum balance requirements are the highest in the country. Do tens of millions of Americans who all bank with any of the big 4 or 5 deserve to be get robbed?

Just for the record, I've disliked BofA since well before it became so trendy. But as long as I'm not hit up with any fee, I won't need to move. If I had to go, there are CUs and some decent regional banks to consider here in CA.
Yes, if you allow your bank to charge you for their privilege of using your money, then you deserve to be robbed.
 

chihlidog

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I've come out with my thoughts and experiences with BofA on this forum.

I hope they die a slow, excruciating death as a company. The country will be better off for it, and I'll enjoy watching it.
 

airdata

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Not going to charge $5 fees... but going to get $75 TRILLION worth of bullshit derivatives FDIC insured.

How do you like that? Think your money in the bank is insured all you want... But if BOA needs to collect on 75 Trillion worth of made up wagers on the mysteries of the universe, you won't have anything to withdraw.
 

darkewaffle

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I'm guessing you work for BofA, because that's some seriously fucking strong koolaid you're drinking. I can't think of any other explanation for that kind of stupidity; if you want to pay them $5/mo because you feel they deserve a profit, go ahead...

Newsflash: That $5 fee doesn't buy you any better customer service. It buys shareholders and CEOs extra bonus money.



The CEO's exact words were that they have the right to make a profit, not the right to TRY to make a profit.

/shakes head/


Oh now I get it, you're misinterpreting the word "right" to mean what you want it to mean. Carry on.

A bank has a right to make a profit in the same sense you have the right to do a handstand, the word try is irrelevant. People look at banks in such a way that "Hey, all we do is give them money! Who do they think they are wanting more of it?!" and they're vilified for being profitable businesses because all they deal in is money, as though people somehow expect that to make them operate pro bono. Yet almost every other business on the planet is cheered and glorified for record profits and big quarters and posting huge sale numbers. Except for a bank, so when they ask for $5 more a month, it's a problem because in 8 years that could almost buy you an iPhone?

Yea, it's the principal of the matter and I don't blame customers for leaving the bank, thats entirely within your right. But why people expect banks to not behave like every other business on earth is absurd.
 

SSSnail

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Dear Mr. Bernanke,

Please raise interest rates. You are forcing financial institutions to "innovate" different venues to make money, venues that are neither good for the institutions themselves nor their customers.

When interest rates are low, banks are not making any money on equity, which leads to less income, which leads to less revenues, which leads to layoffs, which leads to less spending, etc... As you've already seen, banks, for the past two years have raised interests on their credit cards, transaction fees, account fees, etc... to maintain revenue target while reluctantly lending. Why? Why would they want to?

Even with low interest rates, the average Joe still cannot afford the loan for the house that you think the low interest is supposed to help him with, simply because he has no job, as he has to contend with the raising cost of everything else in his life. He has no job because banks have to cut back, or not lending to that business that could have hired Joe because it doesn't make any economical sense to the banks to loan. It's a vicious cycle.

While the numbers may not look terrible, but that's because of cutbacks and not because of profits, that goes for most banks.

Most banks now sit on their cash reserves, waiting for even just half a point raise on interest so that more money can be made, legitimately. Yes, some of the regulations that have been enforced of late are debatable, but they can be sustained, only if you'd just raise interest rates.

So please, do us all a favor and raise interest rates, even if just half a point.


Sincerely,
Your average concerned citizen.

P.S the opinion expressed forth is my own and does not reflect that of my employer.
 

Kadarin

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Oh now I get it, you're misinterpreting the word "right" to mean what you want it to mean. Carry on.

A bank has a right to make a profit in the same sense you have the right to do a handstand, the word try is irrelevant. People look at banks in such a way that "Hey, all we do is give them money! Who do they think they are wanting more of it?!" and they're vilified for being profitable businesses because all they deal in is money, as though people somehow expect that to make them operate pro bono. Yet almost every other business on the planet is cheered and glorified for record profits and big quarters and posting huge sale numbers. Except for a bank, so when they ask for $5 more a month, it's a problem because in 8 years that could almost buy you an iPhone?

Yea, it's the principal of the matter and I don't blame customers for leaving the bank, thats entirely within your right. But why people expect banks to not behave like every other business on earth is absurd.

I'm not "misinterpreting" shit. BofA CEO was saying his company has the "right" to make a profit in the same sense that as an American I have the "right" to express freedom of speech. It's pure entitlement.

Certainly as a corporation, he does have a duty to his shareholders to attempt to gain the best return on investment. He absolutely has the right to TRY to make a profit. I (and you, and everyone else) as a potential customer of course have the right to tell him to go fuck himself and take my business (and his precious profit) elsewhere.
 
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Golgatha

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Too little and too late. Already in the process of switching banks. Been a BoA customer for around 17 years. No more.

P.S. They need bank account portability like they have cell phone number portability. It really is a huge hassle to switch everything.
 

Golgatha

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Oh now I get it, you're misinterpreting the word "right" to mean what you want it to mean. Carry on.

A bank has a right to make a profit in the same sense you have the right to do a handstand, the word try is irrelevant. People look at banks in such a way that "Hey, all we do is give them money! Who do they think they are wanting more of it?!" and they're vilified for being profitable businesses because all they deal in is money, as though people somehow expect that to make them operate pro bono. Yet almost every other business on the planet is cheered and glorified for record profits and big quarters and posting huge sale numbers. Except for a bank, so when they ask for $5 more a month, it's a problem because in 8 years that could almost buy you an iPhone?

Yea, it's the principal of the matter and I don't blame customers for leaving the bank, thats entirely within your right. But why people expect banks to not behave like every other business on earth is absurd.

They make interest on the money I put in their bank, they took my tax dollars as a bailout, and they make money every time I use their debit card from merchants. Also, they are competing in a free market with banks that don't charge fees for utilizing services (which they make money on already). BoA can DIAF for all I care.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Oh now I get it, you're misinterpreting the word "right" to mean what you want it to mean. Carry on.

A bank has a right to make a profit in the same sense you have the right to do a handstand, the word try is irrelevant. People look at banks in such a way that "Hey, all we do is give them money! Who do they think they are wanting more of it?!" and they're vilified for being profitable businesses because all they deal in is money, as though people somehow expect that to make them operate pro bono. Yet almost every other business on the planet is cheered and glorified for record profits and big quarters and posting huge sale numbers. Except for a bank, so when they ask for $5 more a month, it's a problem because in 8 years that could almost buy you an iPhone?

Yea, it's the principal of the matter and I don't blame customers for leaving the bank, thats entirely within your right. But why people expect banks to not behave like every other business on earth is absurd.

They make interest on the money I put in their bank, they took my tax dollars as a bailout, and they make money every time I use their debit card from merchants. Also, they are competing in a free market with banks that don't charge fees for utilizing services (which they make money on already). BoA can DIAF for all I care.
 

SSSnail

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They make interest on the money I put in their bank, they took my tax dollars as a bailout, and they make money every time I use their debit card from merchants. Also, they are competing in a free market with banks that don't charge fees for utilizing services (which they make money on already). BoA can DIAF for all I care.

News flash - there hasn't been any interest made on your money since two years ago. Your tax dollars have been paid back, with profits.

Do carry on with your other rants though.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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News flash - there hasn't been any interest made on your money since two years ago. Your tax dollars have been paid back, with profits.

Do carry on with your other rants though.
Really? Where can I get a 0% refi for my house? Or a 0% credit card?
 

darkewaffle

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I'm not "misinterpreting" shit. BofA CEO was saying his company has the "right" to make a profit in the same sense that as an American I have the "right" to express freedom of speech. It's pure entitlement.

Certainly as a corporation, he does have a duty to his shareholders to attempt to gain the best return on investment. He absolutely has the right to TRY to make a profit. I (and you, and everyone else) as a potential customer of course have the right to tell him to go fuck himself and take my business (and his precious profit) elsewhere.

...A company does have a right to make a profit in the same sense that you have a right to free speech. He's not saying the bank has a right to sneak into your account in middle of the night and take your money to put them in the black (and god help you if you actually got that out of it), he's saying the bank has a right to compete in the market and be treated just as any other business would. That's it.
 

Kadarin

Lifer
Nov 23, 2001
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...A company does have a right to make a profit in the same sense that you have a right to free speech. He's not saying the bank has a right to sneak into your account in middle of the night and take your money to put them in the black (and god help you if you actually got that out of it), he's saying the bank has a right to compete in the market and be treated just as any other business would. That's it.

He's saying that if you have money deposited in his bank, he has the right to take some of it because he has the right to a profit. And he believes (rightfully so in your case, apparently) that we would totally understand and be ok with that.

Most of us see that for what it really is, a blatant and VERY much undeserved cash grab. So blatant that many people are understandably wanting to take their money out of BofA, and are being very public about it.
 

GrumpyMan

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Why all of the hate with boa's? I've always thought that they were very nice snakes and keep the rodent population down....
 

Kadarin

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Why all of the hate with boa's? I've always thought that they were very nice snakes and keep the rodent population down....

Best kind of boa:

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