BMW's front-wheel drive car spied

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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1060927_bmw-front-wheel-drive-car-spy-shots

In the early part of last year BMW confirmed it was working on a new front-wheel drive model to slot in below its current 1-Series and compete with the likes of the Audi A1 and next-generation Mercedes-Benz A-Class.

Now, just one year onwards, we have what’s likely to be the first spy shots of a prototype for the entry-level BMW, which were taken near the automaker’s headquarters in Germany. The prototype you see here wearing BMW’s typical swirly pattern camouflage is a five-door hatchback, with a fairly conventional body although the front bonnet appears to be very low and the overhangs quite short.

This same week prototypes for the 2013 MINI Cooper, the third-generation of the modern MINI, started testing in the UK and this car’s front-wheel drive platform is expected to be the same as the BMW’s.

Note that this platform won’t be shared with BMW’s other new small car, the 2014 BMW i3, which is being designed from the ground up to feature electric drivetrains and will remain rear-wheel drive.

You may recall BMW boss Norbert Reithofer confirmed the joint platform project at a speech last year, saying: "For these new vehicles [the new BMW and MINI] we are developing a common architecture for both front and four-wheel drive."

The thought of a front-wheel drive model wearing the BMW roundel has always seemed like sacrilege to car enthusiasts, but the realities of the modern auto industry have apparently conspired to make the car a necessity for even luxury automakers it seems. Remember, it was revealed that as much as 80 percent of BMW 1-Series drivers weren’t aware that their cars were actually rear-wheel drive.

In addition to front-wheel drive, another big change will be coming in the form of a new three-cylinder engine family for the new car. This family of modular gasoline and diesel engines will eventually go into some 1.5 million BMW and MINI models annually and will feature BMW’s latest ‘TwinPower Turbo’ technology.

TwinPower Turbo technology features a twin-scroll turbocharging system, direct fuel injection and solenoid injectors, the latter being the latest innovation for BMW’s VALVETRONIC variable valve control system. The resulting effect is a small engine--and small engine fuel economy--but with big engine performance.

A hybrid model is expected, too, with BMW working closely with France’s PSA Peugeot Citroen group on the new technology. The two have already signed a deal to expand their already successful powertrain cooperation by now including hybrid component development for front-wheel drive cars. Expect zero emission electric models further down the track as well.

As our computer-generated preview renderings indicate, a three-door model will likely be offered along with the five-door you see in the prototype spy shots above.

The big question now remains as to what will the BMW front-wheel drive cars be called? BMW is unlikely to use the ‘0-Series’ title as predicted earlier, and instead may rebadge the successor of the current 1-Series a 2-Series, freeing up the 1-Series badge for the new front-wheel drive model. Of course, this is only conjecture but there are some vital clues that strongly suggest such a possibility.

Late last year BMW filed U.S. trademark applications for 228, 230, and 235--the same engine designations as the current 1-Series range. And to add further fuel to the speculation fire, back in June BMW also trademarked the M2 moniker.

Look out for a release overseas in late 2013, but sadly, the chances of the car being sold in the U.S. are slim.
 

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PricklyPete

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Honestly I could care less if they do this or not...as long as they keep making good RWD cars. The only reasons I can see to buy a BMW is because they are good at two things:

1) RWD cars that are great dynamically and have fantastic steering feel.
2) Have silky smooth inline-6 engines

If I want a FWD car, there are plenty of other manufacturers like Ford and VW that do that well...no need to buy a BMW.
 

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WOW, 80% of BMW 1 series drivers think their cars are FWD http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...s-owners-think-their-car-is-front-wheel-drive

How can you not know whether your car is FWD or RWD? I mean, old ladies driving Buicks, I'd expect them not to know or care. But these are BMW sport sedans.

More confirmation that they're only really concerned with the badge. Bring on the FWD BMW.

I don't find that shocking. I get asked all the time if the Vette is rwd, has a V8, come with a manual and so on. I get similar questions about the V, but I can expect that when most Cadillacs recently have been fwd.
 

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WOW, 80% of BMW 1 series drivers think their cars are FWD http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...s-owners-think-their-car-is-front-wheel-drive

How can you not know whether your car is FWD or RWD? I mean, old ladies driving Buicks, I'd expect them not to know or care. But these are BMW sport sedans.

More confirmation that they're only really concerned with the badge. Bring on the FWD BMW.

You really think most people give a shit? To most people a car is just a conveyance. They do a little research when it comes time to buy one and then end up buying the prettiest one or the one that they liked the color of best. Or they read the auto rags and decide that if it is wrong wheel drive it is the worst thing on the planet.

I drive a wrong wheel drive car and rarely is it even noticeable...and my car suffers from massive torque steer if you really romp on it. I've never done a track day in it either. :p

Edit-I think the rendering in that article looks pretty good. I'd consider it if it was competitively priced and got decent mileage (e.g. Ford Focus Titanium Hatchback).
 
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You really think most people give a shit? To most people a car is just a conveyance. They do a little research when it comes time to buy one and then end up buying the prettiest one or the one that they liked the color of best. Or they read the auto rags and decide that if it is wrong wheel drive it is the worst thing on the planet.

I drive a wrong wheel drive car and rarely is it even noticeable...and my car suffers from massive torque steer if you really romp on it.

I think the rendering in that article looks pretty good. I'd consider it if it was competitively priced and got decent mileage.

Well when you're shelling out the money for something like a BMW you'd think you know what you're paying for. Just goes to show that 80% of people are buying BMW's for name/status alone and have no idea what they're actually getting. IMO a FWD is totally pointless. You might as well just get a Ford at that point.
 

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Well when you're shelling out the money for something like a BMW you'd think you know what you're paying for. Just goes to show that 80% of people are buying BMW's for name/status alone and have no idea what they're actually getting. IMO a FWD is totally pointless. You might as well just get a Ford at that point.

:rolleyes: And this comes as a shock to you? I'd bet that most of them are automatics too...the horror!!!

FWD is not pointless. It is quite an efficient use of space and packaging.
 

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:rolleyes: And this comes as a shock to you? I'd bet that most of them are automatics too...the horror!!!

FWD is not pointless. It is quite an efficient use of space and packaging.

I didn't say FWD was pointless. Just pointless in a BMW. And no I am not surprised in that people don't know what their buying, just saddened by it.
 

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The fact that 80% of owners think their 1 series is FWD shows it isn't pointless surely?

If they did make a FWD version of the 1 series they could maybe sell it at a lower price and have better mpg due to less weight.
 

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The fact that 80% of owners think their 1 series is FWD shows it isn't pointless surely?

If they did make a FWD version of the 1 series they could maybe sell it at a lower price and have better mpg due to less weight.

No not really. It just shows that people don't know anything about what they're buying other than the name brand.
 

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Honestly I could care less if they do this or not...as long as they keep making good RWD cars. The only reasons I can see to buy a BMW is because they are good at two things:

1) RWD cars that are great dynamically and have fantastic steering feel.
2) Have silky smooth inline-6 engines

Not for much longer. Was reading an article the other day about how BMW will plonk a small capacity I4 turbo engine instead of the standard 3.0 I6 engine in the next 3 series. :(
 

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Not for much longer. Was reading an article the other day about how BMW will plonk a small capacity I4 turbo engine instead of the standard 3.0 I6 engine in the next 3 series. :(

Definitely...they had a layout in last months Roundel with the new engine in all its glory.

Again, I'm not agains BMW making a 4cyl...I just doubt I'd pay the extra cost of a BMW for that engine when there are plenty of other cheaper brands making good 4 cylinder turbos. The only reason I have seen to buy a BMW is the RWD goodness and the silky 6's (and 8's). If I want FWD or a 4cyl...I'll likely go with a brand that doesn't have the badge upcharge or the annoying image that goes with it.
 

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Definitely...they had a layout in last months Roundel with the new engine in all its glory.

Again, I'm not agains BMW making a 4cyl...I just doubt I'd pay the extra cost of a BMW for that engine when there are plenty of other cheaper brands making good 4 cylinder turbos. The only reason I have seen to buy a BMW is the RWD goodness and the silky 6's (and 8's). If I want FWD or a 4cyl...I'll likely go with a brand that doesn't have the badge upcharge or the annoying image that goes with it.

This is pretty much my opinion. Rather than spending a lot on a FWD BMW I'd go for something like a loaded Ford Fusion. If I was looking for a good 4-Cyl I'd probably go for a Subaru WRX, or Mitsu Rally/evo.
 

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Again, I'm not agains BMW making a 4cyl...I just doubt I'd pay the extra cost of a BMW for that engine when there are plenty of other cheaper brands making good 4 cylinder turbos. The only reason I have seen to buy a BMW is the RWD goodness and the silky 6's (and 8's). If I want FWD or a 4cyl...I'll likely go with a brand that doesn't have the badge upcharge or the annoying image that goes with it.

The most popular BMWs in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) are all 4 cylinder engines. The 1 and 3 series sell loads of 1.8 litre turbodiesels, hardly the most exciting engines in the world, but people like the fuel economy.
 

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The most popular BMWs in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) are all 4 cylinder engines. The 1 and 3 series sell loads of 1.8 litre turbodiesels, hardly the most exciting engines in the world, but people like the fuel economy.

So why pay for the BMW name, when you can get something like a Ford Fiesta for much less?
 

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The most popular BMWs in the UK (and probably the rest of Europe) are all 4 cylinder engines. The 1 and 3 series sell loads of 1.8 litre turbodiesels, hardly the most exciting engines in the world, but people like the fuel economy.

A 4 cylinder turbo diesel with RWD...I can go for that. Still unique here in the states. If it was a 4 cylinder diesel, FWD...why wouldn't I just buy a Golf...unless they were similarly priced. I'd find it hard to believe that the BMW would have much better handling than a Golf if both were FWD...and there is no way I'm paying for the badge if there is something that drives similarly for less.
 

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So why pay for the BMW name, when you can get something like a Ford Fiesta for much less?

I personally agree with you (I drive a fiesta), but people see the BMW badge as a status symbol here. It's a bit like buying a designer t-shirt for 10x the price of a generic t-shirt.
 

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I personally agree with you (I drive a fiesta), but people see the BMW badge as a status symbol here. It's a bit like buying a designer t-shirt for 10x the price of a generic t-shirt.

I thought people in the UK thought that people who drive BMWs were all a bunch of cocks?
 

JulesMaximus

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I didn't say FWD was pointless. Just pointless in a BMW. And no I am not surprised in that people don't know what their buying, just saddened by it.

I consider myself a car enthusiast and I couldn't possibly care less. ;)

BTW-The original Mini Cooper and the remake are both FWD and the original was beloved as a true drivers car. The VW Golf GTI is another FWD car that has excellent handling.

I think this little hatch would be a great addition to BMW's lineup. Too bad there is little hope of BMW bring it here. :(
 

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If you watch Top Gear UK you'll know that all the cocks drive Audis now :D

BMW still have that cockish image I guess, but they sell millions of cars here. The UK is BMW's 3rd biggest market after the US and Germany.
 

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I consider myself a car enthusiast and I couldn't possibly care less. ;)

BTW-The original Mini Cooper and the remake are both FWD and the original was beloved as a true drivers car. The VW Golf GTI is another FWD car that has excellent handling.

Agreed..and the remake is really a BMW, so you know they can make a decent handling FWD. I just wouldn't bother buying a BMW and its inevitable price premium when I could get a GTI, Mini S, or Ford Focus ST.

I think this little hatch would be a great addition to BMW's lineup. Too bad there is little hope of BMW bring it here. :(

What makes you think that? With most people thinking their 1 series is a FWD anyway...I can't image that BMW won't bring the 1 series this way...or are you talking just about the hatch part...not the FWD 1 series. I could see them not offering a hatch variant because of our stupid market.
 

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I'd consider buying a FWD BMW is the price is reasonable; I'd never buy a RWD car......I want something I can drive in any weather without reservations.