BMW back with the new 3

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From the WSJ today:

Back From the Edge:
A Peek at the New BMW
Design of 3 Series Shuns
Features That Irked Fans;
The Zero-to-60 Problem

January 20, 2005

Later this month, BMW AG will unveil one of its most-anticipated cars in years -- the redesigned 3 Series sedan, a car the company is hoping will put to rest recent criticism of its increasingly edgy car designs.

For the past three years, BMW has pushed the envelope with cutting-edge looks and more-complex electronics that were supposed to pull in new types of upscale car buyers. Instead, it has infuriated many hard-core fans. Models bearing BMW's new look, including the 5 and 7 Series as well as the Z4 roadster, are seeing sales slump in the U.S.

In the forthcoming 3 Series, which will be launched in the U.S. in May, the company is trying to give them something much closer to the old BMW . The 3 Series is the key vehicle in BMW's lineup, its top seller and the driver of its sterling brand image.

The new car's styling, while more curvaceous than the previous version of the 3 Series, is toned down from the avant-garde look of the 5 and 7 Series. It also does away with a few particularly unpopular touches among BMW traditionalists -- a bustle-back trunk and a granny-glasses headlight design that appeared on the 5 and 7 Series and that drew protest from some longtime customers.

Buyers also won't have to worry about another dreaded feature -- iDrive, a mouse-like knob in the center console that controls windows, seats, airflow and lights. It is standard on the 5 and 7 Series, but its complexity has driven customers batty. On the new 3 Series, customers will get conventional dashboard buttons. IDrive will be included only if a buyer opts for a navigation system.

A lot is riding on the car's success. The 3 Series accounts for more than 40% of BMW's sales. Moreover, the U.S. is BMW's largest market, and strong sales here are critical because sales of midsize sedans are declining sharply in Europe. In 2004, 7 Series sales fell 21%; the Z4 was down 33%. And although the 5 Series was in its first full year on the market -- a time when sales normally surge -- its sales were down 3%.

The new version is 1.9 inches longer and 3.1 inches wider than the current model, but will have more power. The top model, the 330i, will come with a six-cylinder, 258-horsepower engine, up from 231 in the current model. BMW says the 330i will accelerate to 60 miles per hour in just over six seconds, although that won't give it much of an edge over some of its competitors.

A decade or so ago, BMW almost single-handedly built the market for sporty sedans, and it was practically alone in offering a combination of acceleration and agility in cars such as these. That combination was at the heart of the 3 Series success. The company has always been willing to sacrifice a bit of horsepower to achieve precise geometric balance that enables its cars to negotiate corners better than most.

But in the past few years rivals such as Infiniti, Acura and Cadillac have beefed up their cars with bigger engines. Even with a larger engine in the 330i, it still is outgunned by Infiniti's G35 sedan, which gets 280 horsepower from its six-cylinder motor.

In an interview last week, BMW Chief Executive Helmut Panke acknowledged that "in the U.S., zero-to-60 [acceleration] is getting more and more important." He said that in response, the company will update its engines and put more emphasis on acceleration. "We will not have Infiniti or any of the other competing brands out-BMW BMW ," he said.

Now that the likes of Cadillac and Infiniti have narrowed the gap in performance, BMW has been forced to be more price competitive. In December, the company had a year-end sale, offering attractive leases in part to help clear out a lot of the old 3 Series models that dealers had on their hands as well as the 5 and 7 Series.

Pricing on the new 3 Series hasn't been announced. The old model ranges from $29,995 for the entry-level 320i to $45,295 for a loaded 330i.

The car itself will make its public debut in March at the Geneva auto show, although a few photos have been released. It will arrive in U.S. showrooms in May. Auto journalists will get to drive the new 3 Series later this month, and reviews should begin appearing in February.

In an effort to get the new 3 Series off to a good start and avoid the sales problems that have overshadowed the 5 and 7 Series, BMW is preparing its most-expensive U.S. launch ever, with a marketing budget 30% greater than for any other vehicle launch.

Wes Brown, an automotive analyst with Los Angeles-based Iceology, a market-research firm, said the new 3 Series "just looks like it was a touch up, whereas everything else they've done was almost revolutionary."

Web sites devoted to BMWs already are buzzing with chatter about the new 3 Series's looks, with far more fans offering approval of it than the 5 and 7 Series received. "It looks good from all angles!" gushed one chat-room message posted by a person who goes by the name "BMW _dude" on the Web site germancarfans.com.

BMW fans who were turned off by the 5 and 7 Series said they are eager to see what the car company has done with the 3 Series. "I love the way BMW used to look, without the flashiness," said Randy Cook, a software marketer in Silicon Valley who drives a 1998 528i, his fifth BMW over the years. But, "If they muff it with the 3, Audi, Acura, Lexus, those guys, are going to knock them into the dust."
 
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a link to the new 3 series?

their new designer reall has a mixed bag, the 6 and 7 do look butt ugly at the back, but after a while they do grow on you. the Z4 is simply a fantastic piece of design, and the new 5 series is easily the best looking out of their entire range of saloons. the M5 is just a monster.....500hp V10 and 207mph! the same engine also goes in the M6 when that comes out....that is a brilliant piece of engineering that engine
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
a link to the new 3 series?

their new designer reall has a mixed bag, the 6 and 7 do look butt ugly at the back, but after a while they do grow on you. the Z4 is simply a fantastic piece of design, and the new 5 series is easily the best looking out of their entire range of saloons. the M5 is just a monster.....500hp V10 and 207mph! the same engine also goes in the M6 when that comes out....that is a brilliant piece of engineering that engine

The 5-series is an embarrassment to the BMW name.
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....

no they are over priced for what you get, my sister is looking at cars and we went to the BMW dealer and looked at teh 3 series and you dont get jack sh!t in it at the base price, they come with next to nothing in terms of options, where other cars that are jst as nice come with all that stuff standard and cost less

it has nothing to do with being able to afford it, it has to do with value for the $ and BMWs are pretty damn low on that scale
 
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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....

at that price range, there are soooo many cars that i would take over a 3 series
 

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....

no they are over priced for what you get, my sister is looking at cars and we went to the BMW dealer and looked at teh 3 series and you dont get jack sh!t in it at the base price, they come with next to nothing in terms of options, where other cars that are jst as nice come with all that stuff standard and cost less

it has nothing to do with being able to afford it, it has to do with value for the $ and BMWs are pretty damn low on that scale

This is true.
HOWEVER
If you buy second hand, they retain their value fairly well.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
a link to the new 3 series?

their new designer reall has a mixed bag, the 6 and 7 do look butt ugly at the back, but after a while they do grow on you. the Z4 is simply a fantastic piece of design, and the new 5 series is easily the best looking out of their entire range of saloons. the M5 is just a monster.....500hp V10 and 207mph! the same engine also goes in the M6 when that comes out....that is a brilliant piece of engineering that engine

http://www.germancarfans.com/n...2050118.013/bmw/1.html
 

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When you buy BMW, Mercedez, Audi, etc., you mostly pay a preminum for their NAMES. Sure you can get alot more car for your money. You can buy two Hyundai's, or buy an Acura and save a few $$$.

BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!! It puts you into a different league, that's where the extra few g's go into.

So if you think it's overpriced, you are in the market for the wrong car.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Passions
BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!!

Yeah, he's probably leasing the damn thing and drowning in payments to get some 'tang...:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Passions
BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!!

Yeah, he's probably leasing the damn thing and drowning in payments to get some 'tang...:roll:

ROFL TRUE TRUE....
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Passions


BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!!

that that is the complete wrong reason to buy any car
 

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I am thinking of getting a 3 series this week. They are selling $1500 off invoice. It means I should wait.
 

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In LA everyone and their brother has a 3 series. It's like a fashion accessory out here.
 

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Passions


BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!!

that that is the complete wrong reason to buy any car

maybe for you. maybe not for someone else.
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
When you buy BMW, Mercedez, Audi, etc., you mostly pay a preminum for their NAMES. Sure you can get alot more car for your money. You can buy two Hyundai's, or buy an Acura and save a few $$$.

BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!! It puts you into a different league, that's where the extra few g's go into.

So if you think it's overpriced, you are in the market for the wrong car.

While I would agree that BMW's are overpriced, if you are tyring to say that a Hyundai is the same as a BMW, Audi, Benz, etc. except for the name, you are smoking crack.
 
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Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
a link to the new 3 series?

their new designer reall has a mixed bag, the 6 and 7 do look butt ugly at the back, but after a while they do grow on you. the Z4 is simply a fantastic piece of design, and the new 5 series is easily the best looking out of their entire range of saloons. the M5 is just a monster.....500hp V10 and 207mph! the same engine also goes in the M6 when that comes out....that is a brilliant piece of engineering that engine

The 5-series is an embarrassment to the BMW name.


its all about personal taste..... to me the 5 series looks stunning, an improvement over the older yet timeless design. the old 5 series was a good looking car, and it would still look good now if they jus refined it more instead of busting out the drawing pens and starting over. but it just had that little bit of 90's stuck in it, the new 5 series flows much better in terms of its lines
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....

no they are over priced for what you get, my sister is looking at cars and we went to the BMW dealer and looked at teh 3 series and you dont get jack sh!t in it at the base price, they come with next to nothing in terms of options, where other cars that are jst as nice come with all that stuff standard and cost less

it has nothing to do with being able to afford it, it has to do with value for the $ and BMWs are pretty damn low on that scale

What standard features are you referring to?

 

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Originally posted by: shady06
Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: FlyLice
sweet another overpriced bimmer!

Overpriced to whom? To an unrefined peon who cannot afford it, therefore he just resorts to the only thing he can do, pout?

MWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....

at that price range, there are soooo many cars that i would take over a 3 series

:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
a link to the new 3 series?

their new designer reall has a mixed bag, the 6 and 7 do look butt ugly at the back, but after a while they do grow on you. the Z4 is simply a fantastic piece of design, and the new 5 series is easily the best looking out of their entire range of saloons. the M5 is just a monster.....500hp V10 and 207mph! the same engine also goes in the M6 when that comes out....that is a brilliant piece of engineering that engine

http://www.germancarfans.com/n...2050118.013/bmw/1.html

i kinda like that too, its got 1 series esque front lamps, (not a fan of the 1 series, its overpriced, looks ugly and the engines are just down right pathetic less you got/ want to spend 20k on a small family car) this looks very slick at the front, but ill reserve my overall judge ment till i see the back end, this designer seems to have a penchant for giving up by the time he reaches the back (going by the 7 and 6 series)
 

Baked

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I'll use that money for an Acura and the difference for a vacation thank you very much.
 

Passions

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Originally posted by: DingDingDao
Originally posted by: Passions
When you buy BMW, Mercedez, Audi, etc., you mostly pay a preminum for their NAMES. Sure you can get alot more car for your money. You can buy two Hyundai's, or buy an Acura and save a few $$$.

BMW logo has prestige with it, why do you think girls drool over a guy with it. It means he is MOOOOOONAY!!! It puts you into a different league, that's where the extra few g's go into.

So if you think it's overpriced, you are in the market for the wrong car.

While I would agree that BMW's are overpriced, if you are tyring to say that a Hyundai is the same as a BMW, Audi, Benz, etc. except for the name, you are smoking crack.

You completely missed my point, and I am not saying Hyundai is the same as BMW. MCFLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!