BMW 635d

[996GT2]

http://www.automobilemag.com/a...08_bmw_635d/index.html

Just saw this on the latest 5th Gear earlier this week, and it seems pretty damn impressive for such a large car. MPG numbers (a claimed 40+ MPG in combined driving) that many hybrids struggle to match, from a 3500 lb car that can hit 60 in just 6.3 seconds, go to an electronically limited 155mph, and cruise 600+ miles on a single tank.

It's definitely time for America to embrace diesels.

 

[Fenixgoon]

the audi A8 TDI does 0-60 in 6.0, 40mpg highway, with an extra 1100lbs on top

agreed, diesels = win

 

[DivideBYZero]

That motor is more impressive in the 3.

 

[Apex]

Bring on the bio-diesel Koenigsegg CCXR!

 

[Dman877]

I heard there's no manual on it though cuz BMW doesn't have a tranny that can handle 400+ lb/ft...

 

[iamwiz82]

Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

 

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
That motor is more impressive in the 3.

why? It doesn't move that car any faster nor does it get any real noticeable mileage improvements.


Also in that segment he managed to hit 50mpg for several stretches

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Dman877
I heard there's no manual on it though cuz BMW doesn't have a tranny that can handle 400+ lb/ft...

I sort of doubt this is the case. They source their 7-speed SMG tranny from Getrag and it's good for 550nm (406 lb/ft):

http://www.getrag.de/en/251

Getrag makes their 6-speed as well, I believe.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Dman877
I heard there's no manual on it though cuz BMW doesn't have a tranny that can handle 400+ lb/ft...

So the chipped Dinan 135i/335i's soon to be running around must be ghosts..

http://www.dinancars.com/asset...20REV%20A%20EDITED.pdf

The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi, increasing
power output to 384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft torque. With the full Dinan exhaust system (rear mufflers
and middle-exhaust X-pipe) included, output is increased to 392hp and 429 lb-t torque. The top-speed
governor has also been removed, allowing the car to reach its full potential.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

The refineries could shift production pretty easily if they actually cared to.

In most countries, diesel is cheaper, sometimes by a fair margin.

 

[stevovee]

the older jetta tdi's will get around 50mpg and while they're no performance machines with a chip they're very driveable...and you dont' have to carry around a ton of batteries with you either

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

diesel is 3.89 a gallon, a 87 gasoline is 3.09. That's 30% more. which means effectively the 40MPG becomes roughly 31mpg.

 

[MegaVovaN]

Andy: higher diesel pricing is artifical

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
That motor is more impressive in the 3.

why? It doesn't move that car any faster nor does it get any real noticeable mileage improvements.


Also in that segment he managed to hit 50mpg for several stretches

0-60 in 5.8 vs 6.3. That's half a second more impressive.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

Which explains why diesel is cheaper than gas in most of europe, where there are a lot more diesels... right?

rigs, trains, houses, ag equipment, etc, use a shitload of diesel. even a sizable increase in diesel consumer vehicles is a drop in the bucket, I'd think. Diesel is cheaper to refine too, so I don't understand why they charge more for it here.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

diesel is 3.89 a gallon, a 87 gasoline is 3.09. That's 30% more. which means effectively the 40MPG becomes roughly 31mpg.

Name one 3,500-lb. car that can hit 0-60 in 6.3 seconds that runs on 87 octane and gets 31 mpg in combined driving.

For comparison, according to fueleconomy.gov, the 2007 Honda Civic with the manual transmission and 1.8L engine gets 29mpg combined and uses regular gas. At the prices you stated above, the Civic would cost 10.66 cents/mile and the 635d would cost 9.725 cents/mile.

Also, diesel prices are higher now because diesel is still being used as a heating source by some people. In the summer when that's not an issue, you'll see diesel prices close to and sometimes lower than 87 octane. That makes the gas savings all that much more impressive.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

Which explains why diesel is cheaper than gas in most of europe, where there are a lot more diesels... right?

rigs, trains, houses, ag equipment, etc, use a shitload of diesel. even a sizable increase in diesel consumer vehicles is a drop in the bucket, I'd think. Diesel is cheaper to refine too, so I don't understand why they charge more for it here.

Oil companies sticking it to their worst customers

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Is the US willing to accept skyrocketing prices on goods transported by trucks that use diesel? Mor ediesel consumption with the same supply means higher prices.

diesel is 3.89 a gallon, a 87 gasoline is 3.09. That's 30% more. which means effectively the 40MPG becomes roughly 31mpg.

Name one 3,500-lb. car that can hit 0-60 in 6.3 seconds that runs on 87 octane and gets 31 mpg in combined driving.

For comparison, according to fueleconomy.gov, the 2007 Honda Civic with the manual transmission and 1.8L engine gets 29mpg combined and uses regular gas. At the prices you stated above, the Civic would cost 10.66 cents/mile and the 635d would cost 9.725 cents/mile.

Also, diesel prices are higher now because diesel is still being used as a heating source by some people. In the summer when that's not an issue, you'll see diesel prices close to and sometimes lower than 87 octane. That makes the gas savings all that much more impressive.

Claimed 40+mpg but I'd like make sure they're talking about US, not imperial gallons. If you're talking imperial...

(40/1.2)=33.3mpg
33.3*(3.09/3.89)=26.45

That's good but not mind blowingly so, especially since the new mpg tests are more stressful than the European counterparts so that will probably drop further.

I'd say 24 combined after the new US DOT MPG tests are done.

edit:
http://www.automobilemag.com/a..._xdrive_35d/index.html

The diesel-equipped 3-series has a claimed 0-to-62-mph time of 6.2 seconds - a claim we'd believe, since several Automobile Magazine editors have driven the car in Europe. The 335d is estimated to return fuel economy of 23 mpg in the city and 33 mpg on the highway.

That's the 335d, now considering the 635d convertible weighs in at 1935kg(4266lbs) and the coupe is 1725kg(3803lbs)

vesus the 335i at 1655kg(3649lbs-Sdan), 1645kg(3627lbs-Coupe) and 1670kg(3681lbs- Convertible) You can see performance and mileage will be impacted on the convertible.

I'd estimate 6.3s for the coupe and 6.6s for the convertible 0-60 and 21/29mpg for the convertible.(coupe maybe 22/32?)

At 25mpg combined, compared to the cost of gasoline, you're only effectively getting 19.8586mpg.

And seriously, why does it weigh so much, I've seen minivans weigh about as much or less than a 335d.

 

[ElFenix]

but can it get from west london to edinburgh and back on a single tank?

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
but can it get from west london to edinburgh and back on a single tank?

boo for needless Top Gear reference. ;p

 

[theeedude]

That's Imperial MPG, not US MPG.

 

[rh71]

Yup, on top of the imperial figures (40 = 33US), diesel fuel prices are different around the country. Some see no increase from premium while others see 20-30cents higher per gallon of diesel. Don't think 40mpg diesel (US) vs. 20mpg petrol and automatically think that you just saved yourself 50%. After the premium you'd be paying for the TT diesel, you don't save that much cash either... just like the case for hybrids.

One other thing to keep in mind is emissions standards in the US vs. those overseas. For example, the X5 3.0SD (diesel) @ 286hp for Europe had to be dropped to 265hp for US (only 5hp more than the standard 3.0SI (petrol)). But at least the torque should stay the same.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Dman877
I heard there's no manual on it though cuz BMW doesn't have a tranny that can handle 400+ lb/ft...

So the chipped Dinan 135i/335i's soon to be running around must be ghosts..

http://www.dinancars.com/asset...20REV%20A%20EDITED.pdf

The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi, increasing
power output to 384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft torque. With the full Dinan exhaust system (rear mufflers
and middle-exhaust X-pipe) included, output is increased to 392hp and 429 lb-t torque. The top-speed
governor has also been removed, allowing the car to reach its full potential.

Does Dinan do transmission testing? Seriously, think about it. There hasn't a been a single BMW manual with 400+ lb/ft that I can remember. It doesn't mean they won't develop/buy one, but they don't have one atm. My Dad told me this and he got it from Roundel which usually is pretty accurate for this kind of stuff...

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Dman877

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Dman877
I heard there's no manual on it though cuz BMW doesn't have a tranny that can handle 400+ lb/ft...

So the chipped Dinan 135i/335i's soon to be running around must be ghosts..

http://www.dinancars.com/asset...20REV%20A%20EDITED.pdf

The Dinan Performance Engine Software increases the turbo boost pressure from 8.8 to 13.2 psi, increasing
power output to 384 horsepower and 421 lb-ft torque. With the full Dinan exhaust system (rear mufflers
and middle-exhaust X-pipe) included, output is increased to 392hp and 429 lb-t torque. The top-speed
governor has also been removed, allowing the car to reach its full potential.

Does Dinan do transmission testing? Seriously, think about it. There hasn't a been a single BMW manual with 400+ lb/ft that I can remember. It doesn't mean they won't develop/buy one, but they don't have one atm. My Dad told me this and he got it from Roundel which usually is pretty accurate for this kind of stuff...

Well they way I think about it, if it does not void the factory warranty provided by BMW themselves, I think it'll hold.