Fingolfin269
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Just when I was starting to lose hope that my HD-DVD collection would rot....... thanks MS. 
Then again I wish this thing would just end. Does anyone else have a feeling that by the time all is said and done both formats will be dead?
Then again I wish this thing would just end. Does anyone else have a feeling that by the time all is said and done both formats will be dead?
The problem with content on demand is that the "tubes" are too small to carry the large 720p/1080i/1080p content that you would want to download. For example, the Xbox Live Marketplace, 300, for example, was 5GB+, not viable when the average speeds is around 1 mbps.
on another note, what happens to those of us who preorderd blades of glory on amazon in blu ray?
dainthomas
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Fingolfin269
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Do you really think this matters to the masses? The vast majority are okay with the sound produced by your average mp3 recording so I have plenty of faith that the content providers will find a way to convince us that what they're feeding is the best we can get.
Yeah, right now I have a 360. I wish MS would have just worked out a deal with Sony instead of pushing their own format which seems to be losing right now. Better yet, why can't studios just release things on both formats? Still, it seems at some point I'm going to have to end up getting a Blu Ray player, perhaps a PS3.
The cable and telcos are working on this and any HD channel you are getting being spit down the pipe at 720p should be in the 20Mbps range.
It will take time but shoud be feasible in the future.
That's like saying, MS should have combined forces with Sony to produce one console. The point is there are two viewpoints and enough money behind each viewpoint to sustain this war. We can keep bitching and moaning about it, but the truth is, because of Paramount's switchover it's going to be a lot longer. I think in the long run, it is going to be the price of the player that is going to matter, and most people can't even see the difference between 1080p and 1080i. It's just who has the bigger d*ck.
Talk with Chief Technology Office of Paramount Pictures
Whether or not the $150 million was a payoff to get Paramount to side with HD-DVD, he does have some good points on why they switched. All HD-DVD players support basically the same features, while time goes by, early Blu-ray adopters are going to be left in the dust. The low cost to manufacture is also a valid point.
Whether or not the $150 million was a payoff to get Paramount to side with HD-DVD, he does have some good points on why they switched. All HD-DVD players support basically the same features, while time goes by, early Blu-ray adopters are going to be left in the dust. The low cost to manufacture is also a valid point.
Firmware updates negate feature set differences and as BD becomes more widespread, the manufacturing costs are coming down as well. Paramount is just trying to sell the fact that they went with HD DVD when in reality, i guarantee you that they would not have gone with HD DVD exclusively had they not received 150 million.
So what you're telling me is that people who bought the early Blu-ray players (without internet support, without a second video decoder for picture in picture) will be able to have those features from a firmware update right? The only reason Bluray is gettting any support is because of the PS3. If MS released an Xbox 360 with HD-DVD bulit in, that would sell a lot of units. But by giving people a choice, they're not making the number of actual people using HD-DVD seem inflated. I guarantee not everyone that bought a PS3 bought it for the Blu-ray capabilities. By providing a low price of entry, HD-DVD seems more beneficial to reach a larger amount of people. The people that have a HD-DVD/Blu-ray player are the early adopters, it has not fully reached mainstream.
Fingolfin269
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Something's shaking up at Warner:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...0215482fe5e2abfedf8b53
Rumor going around AVS is they're going to announce following suit with Paramount for a $225m payoff. But whether this news cancels the rumor or confirms it, who knows.
Oh the drama of it all...
http://www.hollywoodreporter.c...0215482fe5e2abfedf8b53
Rumor going around AVS is they're going to announce following suit with Paramount for a $225m payoff. But whether this news cancels the rumor or confirms it, who knows.
Oh the drama of it all...
Holy $hit, if that's true that means that the HD DVD crew has some mighty deep pockets, and with Microsoft saying they had no part in the previous $150mill deal it makes you wonder where this money is coming from.
Who knows whats going to happen at Warner, but with the recent VP stepping down I think something is going to happen soon.
IF Warner goes HD DVD exclusive this will end the "war" in my opinion.
With Fox jumping back into the game with new & catalog releases, even if Warner & Paramount go HD DVD, that would leave the titles from now through the holidays about even between the two sides, with enough big blockbusters for each:
Transformers, Shrek, Bourne, Harry Potter, Knocked Up for HD DVD
Spiderman, Pirates, Ratatouille, Simpsons, Die Hard for Blu-ray
Eug
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The $225 mil Warner rumour was essentially a rumour created by a Blu-ray fanboy who claims to be an insider. A Microsoft employee not only debunked it but basically called him a liar. Take that as you will... but it should be of note that the supposed big announcement by Warner Friday never happened.
Actually Warner did make an announcement... that they're staying neutral, and that the VP leaving didn't have anything to do with this stuff.
P.S. The Toshiba HD-A3, A30, and A35 third generation HD DVD players go up for pre-order tonite.
Shawn
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I posted this in the other thread in OT, but HD DVD will win this format war and this is why:
Because of these exclusives there will be even more demand for dual format players. Once the dual format players are affordable and become widespread any studio that is neutral will stop releasing movies on both HD DVD and Blu-ray because it is redundant. They will pick the format that is the easiest and cheapest to manufacture and that is HD DVD. The same will be eventually be true for Blu-ray exclusive studios as well, because once the demand for HD movies picks up they will have to increase the production of discs. Since HD DVDs can be manufactured by cheaply converting existing DVD manufacturing plants it would make financial sense to do this than build several new blu-ray manufacturing plants.
This is what I was betting on happening anyway but now with even more exclusives on the HD DVD side, dual format players seem like a sure thing. Basically those of us who invested in an HD DVD player will continue to be able to watch movies with it while those with Blu-ray players will see fewer and fewer movies available on the format. They might continue to make a small amount of blu-ray movies for a while though with using the already built production lines, but who knows.The vast majority of people with the dual format players won't care either way.
Because of these exclusives there will be even more demand for dual format players. Once the dual format players are affordable and become widespread any studio that is neutral will stop releasing movies on both HD DVD and Blu-ray because it is redundant. They will pick the format that is the easiest and cheapest to manufacture and that is HD DVD. The same will be eventually be true for Blu-ray exclusive studios as well, because once the demand for HD movies picks up they will have to increase the production of discs. Since HD DVDs can be manufactured by cheaply converting existing DVD manufacturing plants it would make financial sense to do this than build several new blu-ray manufacturing plants.
This is what I was betting on happening anyway but now with even more exclusives on the HD DVD side, dual format players seem like a sure thing. Basically those of us who invested in an HD DVD player will continue to be able to watch movies with it while those with Blu-ray players will see fewer and fewer movies available on the format. They might continue to make a small amount of blu-ray movies for a while though with using the already built production lines, but who knows.The vast majority of people with the dual format players won't care either way.
Shawn
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Also, there are rumors flying around on AVS that some of the upcoming HD DVD titles (such as Transformers) will only be available on a new single sided 4 layer combo disc, getting rid of the standard 2 layer DVD entirely. 2 layers will be HD DVD holding 30GB, and the other 2 layers will be DVD and hold 8.5GB. This is different than the current combo discs where each format is on a different side. If you ever wondered why there is an option in your HD DVD player asking whether you want the default format to be DVD or HD DVD this is why.
I'm not sure exactly how this is going to work or how they are going to advertise it but basically anyone who buys the DVD will also be receiving an HD DVD. Because these will be replacing the standard DVDs, they will be able to ramp up production and thus reduce costs. Hopefully it'll be the same price as a DVD. If it is, this is a sure win for HD DVD. With Transformers likely to sell 1+ million copies, even if only 1% of the people who buy the movie decide to check out HD DVD and buy a player, that's another 10,000+ people. With more and more titles released like this it'll make it more likely for the average person to pick up an HD DVD player since they already own a few movies anyway. Not to mention the fact the Blockbuster will be carrying HD DVDs whether they like it or not.
I'm not sure exactly how this is going to work or how they are going to advertise it but basically anyone who buys the DVD will also be receiving an HD DVD. Because these will be replacing the standard DVDs, they will be able to ramp up production and thus reduce costs. Hopefully it'll be the same price as a DVD. If it is, this is a sure win for HD DVD. With Transformers likely to sell 1+ million copies, even if only 1% of the people who buy the movie decide to check out HD DVD and buy a player, that's another 10,000+ people. With more and more titles released like this it'll make it more likely for the average person to pick up an HD DVD player since they already own a few movies anyway. Not to mention the fact the Blockbuster will be carrying HD DVDs whether they like it or not.
Pardon me if I laugh at the thought that we're going to see a 4 layer hd dvd this fall. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
If you want to dive into the rumor mill, there's another one involving the keywords Blu-ray, Wal*Mart, Chinese, 20, $199 - with others mentioning word that chip manufacturers in China prefer Blu-ray as well.
But it's all rumor.
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