Bloodthirsty Mormons11one!

[Perknose]

So, among Americans, which is the true religion of peace?

Turns out, on this one specific question, that would be Muslims, followed by Atheists/Agnostics, then Jews, Catholics, and Protestants, with those damn bloodthirsty Mormons bringing up the rear.

Not only Muslm-American, but Muslims world-wide are the least likely to believe that military attacks on civilians are justified.

There are some persuasive reasons for this, two key ones of which are outlined below, but I offer this one SMALL piece of polling on this one NARROW question to all those who would tar ALL the followers of one religion with the same ignorant hate brush.

We asked the question in a couple of ways. We asked about military attacks on civilians, and we also asked about individual or nonmilitary group attacks on civilians. We found that Muslim Americans have the highest rates of saying that it is never morally justified. Some of the other religious groups were much more likely to say that military attacks on civilians could be justified. I think what you're seeing there is a confidence in the military -- and the idea that a more institutionalized type of violence will be done in a more responsible manner. Muslims see it differently. That's consistent with their confidence level in the military, which, at 70 percent, is the lowest of any religious group in the U.S. Historically in Gallup polling, the military tends to have rates of confidence in the high 80s and low 90s all the time.

Also to a greater degree because of their faith, Muslim Americans identify with civilians dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's fair to say most likely Muslim Americans are keeping track of what's happening in these countries more closely than the average person in America who has no connection to that part of the world whatsoever. It's important to note that Muslim American attitudes about violence and civilians are actually very consistent with the polling we do globally within Muslim-majority countries. Muslims in countries across Asia and the Middle East also have extremely high rates of respondents who say that military attacks or individual attacks on civilians are never justified.

Meanwhile, what about those Mormons? :hmm: : :awe:

http://www.salon.com/news/islam/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/06/gallup_muslim_americans

 

[IronWing]

If your exodus story involves the confiscation of the promised land and the slaughter of the indigenous people therein, it is best to keep an open mind on this topic.

 

[Argo]

They asked Muslim Americans. They should poll in middle east and see if they get the same result.

 

[Infohawk]

It's important to note that Muslim American attitudes about violence and civilians are actually very consistent with the polling we do globally within Muslim-majority countries. Muslims in countries across Asia and the Middle East also have extremely high rates of respondents who say that military attacks or individual attacks on civilians are never justified.

Really? That's not what I've seen from the Pew studies that show alarming support for Al Queada and Bin Laden in Muslim countries. Perhaps the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center has superior polling methodology...

In any case at the end of the day I'll go with an empirical look at "bloodthirstyness". Per capita, which religion is responsible for more terrorist deaths in the US? In the world?

 

[wuliheron]

Reminds me of when they try to take polls about sex. In a lot of places they'll ask a man how many times a week he has sex and he'll answer something like "15", but they've learned to then quickly ask him how many times he had sex last week and get a more realistic number. Especially with Muslims who express endless xenophobia and claim to all be brothers the proof is in the pudding.

 

[waffleironhead]

Reminds me of when they try to take polls about sex. In a lot of places they'll ask a man how many times a week he has sex and he'll answer something like "15", but they've learned to then quickly ask him how many times he had sex last week and get a more realistic number. Especially with Muslims who express endless xenophobia and claim to all be brothers the proof is in the pudding.

Id say that even throwing out the muslim data, the Mormon numbers make me fearful.

 

[1prophet]

Those Mormons, draw a satirical funny cartoon about their religion and prophet and these guys might show up burning, hacking, rioting etc.D:

 

[BoomerD]

Hell, the Mormons have always been bloodthirsty...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence

http://www.mrm.org/violence-in-early-mormonism

 

[Perknose]

They asked Muslim Americans. They should poll in middle east and see if they get the same result.

Try reading the OP next time. Hell, even just the bolded parts.

It's important to note that Muslim American attitudes about violence and civilians are actually very consistent with the polling we do globally within Muslim-majority countries. Muslims in countries across Asia and the Middle East also have extremely high rates of respondents who say that military attacks or individual attacks on civilians are never justified.

 

[Argo]

Try reading the OP next time. Hell, even just the bolded parts.

Yet, most of terrorist attacks are done by whom? This poll is useless for several reasons reasons, and I was just trying to show that. Generalizing religions, while ignoring other factors (like country or social status) is over simplifying a complex piece of data. Also, just because people say they believe in something doesnt mean they are more likely to do that. Read the analogy from the poster above.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Edited out.

 

[Lemon law]

Even if the Perknose poll is not meaningless, I have to think that Mormons are not radically different from any religion or lack of one. But we can always find nut cases in any religion like Warren Jeffs, to tar an entire religion and paint it all black.

To maybe put things in perspective, main stream Mormons tend to be at the top end of all religions in terms of Missionary work to other countries.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Mormons tend to be at the top end of all religions in terms of Missionary work to other countries.

And that's a good thing?

 

[OCGuy]

Great, maybe they can shun the Wahabbists that enjoy intentionally killing women and children.

PS: All religion is retarded. Except Monday Night Football with a cold beer.

 

[busydude]

Yet, most of terrorist attacks are done by whom?

You guys are living in a shell.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/TE-SAT%202010.pdf

 

[JSt0rm]

Atheists think like Muslims! Kill them all!

 

[iGas]

Yet, most of terrorist attacks are done by whom? This poll is useless for several reasons reasons, and I was just trying to show that. Generalizing religions, while ignoring other factors (like country or social status) is over simplifying a complex piece of data. Also, just because people say they believe in something doesnt mean they are more likely to do that. Read the analogy from the poster above.

IMHO, terrorist attack are misguided frustration due to drone attacks and clandestine operations.

The Covert Origins of World War III – US Special Operations Forces To Be Deployed In 120 Countries

The Secret War in 120 Countries

 

[kylebisme]

Yet, most of terrorist attacks are done by whom?

It's not hard to find such data. Here's some help; All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t.

 

[Infohawk]

It's not hard to find such data. Here's some help; All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t.

And if you sort it by number of people killed? Or in terms of per capita? (Classy how your shit blog tries to say 42% of terrorist attacks are done by Latinos btw.)

 

[Double Trouble]

It's not hard to find such data. Here's some help; All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t.

Yeah, pretty handy if you define "terrorism" any way you find convenient and equate someone throwing a pie in someone else's face with flying a plane into a building to kill thousands. The only thing those statistics show you is that you can make statistics confirm any theory you want.

 

[Double Trouble]

Regarding the OP: actions speak louder than words. Some claim to be against attacks against civilians, while at the same time supporting those who attack civilians. Further, sometimes attacks against civilians are indeed justified (bombing of German cities during WWII to destroy their war machine killed a LOT of civilians, nukes on Japan to get them to surrender etc), I don't see that as being "blood thirsty" at all.

Logic fail. :thumbsdown:

 

[WelshBloke]

Yeah, pretty handy if you define "terrorism" any way you find convenient and equate someone throwing a pie in someone else's face with flying a plane into a building to kill thousands. The only thing those statistics show you is that you can make statistics confirm any theory you want.

Regarding the OP: actions speak louder than words. Some claim to be against attacks against civilians, while at the same time supporting those who attack civilians. Further, sometimes attacks against civilians are indeed justified (bombing of German cities during WWII to destroy their war machine killed a LOT of civilians, nukes on Japan to get them to surrender etc), I don't see that as being "blood thirsty" at all.

Logic fail. :thumbsdown:

Everyone defines terrorism in the way that makes the other guy look bad.

And whether you can justify (rightly or wrongly) something doesn't mean its not terrorism.

You could certainly fit the nuke attacks on Japan into this. Targeting a civilian populace to instil fear to gain your political goals seems to fit.

Hell, the whole shock and awe thing seems to fit as well.

 

[Macamus Prime]

They asked Muslim Americans. They should poll in middle east and see if they get the same result.

Yes, yes. We get it; you don't like Muslims. It's pretty clear.

It's also clear you refuse to take into account some pretty recent acts of terrorism; how one blonde haired blue eyed maniac decided to gun down children, because they were part of a party willing to accept Muslims into their society.

Wait! I know what you are going to say; they where part of a Hilter youth rally of some sorts - right? Look, you need to tell Glenn Beck to leave you alone for a while. That you need to figure things out for yourself.

At the very least, do try to stop being blinded by racism. Racism and something that is learned - and, you are no were near being capable of learning anything.

Ever.

 

[kylebisme]

And if you sort it by number of people killed? Or in terms of per capita?

Then you wouldn't be answering Argo's question of "most of terrorist attacks are done by whom?" That said, nobody is stopping you from doing the math which will answer your questions.

(Classy how your shit blog tries to say 42% of terrorist attacks are done by Latinos btw.)

It's the FBI website which lists a "Chronological Summary of Terrorist Incidents in the United States 1980-2005" showing Latino groups responsible for 42% of them. The blog I linked simply recounts that fact among others.

Yeah, pretty handy if you define "terrorism" any way you find convenient and equate someone throwing a pie in someone else's face with flying a plane into a building to kill thousands. The only thing those statistics show you is that you can make statistics confirm any theory you want.

The statistics are based on how the FBI defines terrorism, and doesn't include anything along the lines of "someone throwing a pie in someone else's face", you apparently just made that up to defend your inability to present statistics which conform to the theory you want.

 

[disappoint]

They asked Muslim Americans. They should poll in middle east and see if they get the same result.

Considering the number of civilians they recently lost due to collateral damage what do you think?