Bloc reignites soverignty push

[imported_Champ]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

 

[Jiggz]

I wish in a situation like this when a province one to separate and be independent, the mother country should just let it go. As soon as the province declares its independence, then the mother country goes back to declare war and occupy the new independent state and make it province again. In doing so, the mother country should make sure all those who instigated the fight for independence are all buried 6 feet below. And then maybe another generation or two later the cycle begins again!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

You are grossly misrepresenting what the Bloc's place in the Coalition would have been. They were to have no "Power".

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

I have quite a few friends in Quebec, and they consistently tell me that anyone with a brain in that province realizes sovereignty is a retarded goal to push for. It will never happen.

(And this is news? "... he told about 300 supporters ...")

I mean, for Christ's sake-- there were 5 times that many people at the Sarah Palin, let's all call Obama a Muslim terrorist rallies.

 

[SickBeast]

In Quebec, people tend to be extreme socialists. The Bloc satisfies this need more than anything else. Think of them as an even more leftist NDP.

The separatist movement appears to be dead for now.

What I'm more concerned with is the next election. I hope Ignatief wins.

 

[yllus]

To be fair, the Liberals would never have tolerated any pro-sovereignty crap if the coalition had ever taken power. Not that the BQ would have brought it up if that had happened either - they know a gravy train when they see one.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
In Quebec, people tend to be extreme socialists. The Bloc satisfies this need more than anything else. Think of them as an even more leftist NDP.

The separatist movement appears to be dead for now.

What I'm more concerned with is the next election. I hope Ignatief wins.

"Extreme", really? They certainly tend to be more "socialist" than the rest of the country, but "extreme"?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SickBeast
In Quebec, people tend to be extreme socialists. The Bloc satisfies this need more than anything else. Think of them as an even more leftist NDP.

The separatist movement appears to be dead for now.

What I'm more concerned with is the next election. I hope Ignatief wins.

"Extreme", really? They certainly tend to be more "socialist" than the rest of the country, but "extreme"?

I would call it that personally. I know I wouldn't vote for them or want them running my country, and I tend to believe in many aspects of socialism.

University tuition is only $2000 or so in Quebec. That's 1/2 to 1/3 of what it costs elsewhere in Canada. They have way better social programs and way higher taxes. My grandparents retired on the Ontario side of the border because of how much they had to pay in taxes in Quebec.

 

[imported_Champ]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

You are grossly misrepresenting what the Bloc's place in the Coalition would have been. They were to have no "Power".

their votes would be needed to pass anything so they would need to be "encouraged" to vote for liberals-NDP...which means giving them more free money

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

You are grossly misrepresenting what the Bloc's place in the Coalition would have been. They were to have no "Power".

Without the Bloc's support, the Coalition would not have the seats needed to get anything done. The Bloc was the holder of power and knew it. They even said during coalition talks they were going to support the Coalition as long as they cuddle Quebec.

http://www.canada.com/topics/n.../story.html?id=1018584

From the agreement signed Monday formalizing the coalition, it appears the Bloc's support did not come cheap. Many of the areas in which the three parties have pledged to work together - such as help for older workers who lose their jobs, dropping the two-week waiting period for employment-insurance payments, and reversing funding cuts for the arts and non-profit local economic development groups - could have been cut and pasted right out of the Bloc's platform.

Nor did that buy the fledgling coalition a blank cheque. In the agreement, the Bloc agrees to support a coalition government on confidence votes that could trigger the downfall of the government until June 30, 2010. However, Duceppe made it clear Monday that the agreement does not bind his party to voting with a coalition government on all questions, and his guiding principle will be what is in the best interests of Quebec.

"We have a lot of freedom to vote in exactly the same way as we have since we came to Ottawa."

If the agreement is only until 2010, said Duceppe, it's because the three parties could not come to an agreement on concrete actions to implement Parliament's recognition of Quebec as a nation.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

You are grossly misrepresenting what the Bloc's place in the Coalition would have been. They were to have no "Power".

Without the Bloc's support, the Coalition would not have the seats needed to get anything done. The Bloc was the holder of power and knew it. They even said during coalition talks they were going to support the Coalition as long as they cuddle Quebec.

http://www.canada.com/topics/n.../story.html?id=1018584

From the agreement signed Monday formalizing the coalition, it appears the Bloc's support did not come cheap. Many of the areas in which the three parties have pledged to work together - such as help for older workers who lose their jobs, dropping the two-week waiting period for employment-insurance payments, and reversing funding cuts for the arts and non-profit local economic development groups - could have been cut and pasted right out of the Bloc's platform.

Nor did that buy the fledgling coalition a blank cheque. In the agreement, the Bloc agrees to support a coalition government on confidence votes that could trigger the downfall of the government until June 30, 2010. However, Duceppe made it clear Monday that the agreement does not bind his party to voting with a coalition government on all questions, and his guiding principle will be what is in the best interests of Quebec.

"We have a lot of freedom to vote in exactly the same way as we have since we came to Ottawa."

If the agreement is only until 2010, said Duceppe, it's because the three parties could not come to an agreement on concrete actions to implement Parliament's recognition of Quebec as a nation.

Ya, but everyone "cuddles" Quebec.

 

[CanOWorms]

This massive multicultural failure of Canada would be resolved if the Anglo side of Canada would be less barbaric and drop their bizarre love of the Queen.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Firebot

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

You are grossly misrepresenting what the Bloc's place in the Coalition would have been. They were to have no "Power".

Without the Bloc's support, the Coalition would not have the seats needed to get anything done. The Bloc was the holder of power and knew it. They even said during coalition talks they were going to support the Coalition as long as they cuddle Quebec.

http://www.canada.com/topics/n.../story.html?id=1018584

From the agreement signed Monday formalizing the coalition, it appears the Bloc's support did not come cheap. Many of the areas in which the three parties have pledged to work together - such as help for older workers who lose their jobs, dropping the two-week waiting period for employment-insurance payments, and reversing funding cuts for the arts and non-profit local economic development groups - could have been cut and pasted right out of the Bloc's platform.

Nor did that buy the fledgling coalition a blank cheque. In the agreement, the Bloc agrees to support a coalition government on confidence votes that could trigger the downfall of the government until June 30, 2010. However, Duceppe made it clear Monday that the agreement does not bind his party to voting with a coalition government on all questions, and his guiding principle will be what is in the best interests of Quebec.

"We have a lot of freedom to vote in exactly the same way as we have since we came to Ottawa."

If the agreement is only until 2010, said Duceppe, it's because the three parties could not come to an agreement on concrete actions to implement Parliament's recognition of Quebec as a nation.

How is this any different than what the Bloc does now? If anything, the Bloc would have LESS power under the coalition. They promised to vote with the Liberals on any confidence motions, something they are not required to do (nor have they done!) with the Conservatives in power.

The reason they wanted in the coalition is because they would like the coddling Dion would have given to Quebec as it's better than what Harper was willing to do for them.

 

[silverpig]

Oh, here's an interesting question:

If Quebec secedes from Canada, could Montreal then secede from Quebec? Most of the cities are against separation while the northern and rural areas are for separation.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

I have quite a few friends in Quebec, and they consistently tell me that anyone with a brain in that province realizes sovereignty is a retarded goal to push for. It will never happen.

(And this is news? "... he told about 300 supporters ...")

I mean, for Christ's sake-- there were 5 times that many people at the Sarah Palin, let's all call Obama a Muslim terrorist rallies.

As in the US, complete morons represent significant portions of the voting populous.

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

I have quite a few friends in Quebec, and they consistently tell me that anyone with a brain in that province realizes sovereignty is a retarded goal to push for. It will never happen.

I live in Quebec (Montreal), and, unfortunately, I can tell you that the "anyone with a brain" represents less than 25% of the population.

Quebec, yes, a lot more socialist than the rest of Canada. More unionized. More "free" goodies, free as you consume them, but we are the most heavily taxed state/province in North America as a consequence.

Nothing gets built or undertaken here because nobody wants to pay for it (neither Quebec (province's capital) nor Ottawa (Federal Capital)). Plus, pure Quebekers despise private investments (that would result in infrastructures such as toll roads or bridges). They hate tolls, hate to pay more for anything, except to see the Montreal Canadiens (most expensive tickets in the NHL).

The separatist movement has died down, true, but it is mostly due to Montreal, as a growing number of immigrants/expats are solely speaking English and the youth/teens are much more at ease with English than their parents are. Downtown Montreal is as "English" as Downtown Toronto, if you ask me. They even serve you in English first in fast foods/restaurants.

As for tuition, it depends where you go and what you do. Like I said, taxes are high so, whatever "rebate" you may seem to have, you are still going to end up paying more taxes. Plus, I study at McGill, and I know that my yearly tuition costs are far higher than $2000 (and I'm not even if the most expensive faculties, such as Law and Medecine). By the way, out-of-province students pay 2 or 3 times as much as Quebekers, which negates the price advantage Quebec universities have over other Canadian universities (this is applicable to every Quebec universities, not only McGill). Even worse, out-of-country students pay 5-6 times more than Quebekers, which explains why a lot of Americans who study at McGill hold dual citizenship. Anyway... it is not that nice and neat living in Quebec, and if you ask me, I'd rather get outta there as soon as I get my degree.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: sammyunltd

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Champ
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story.../duceppe-endorsed.html

It's time to push for the Bloc Québécois to push for sovereignty again, Gilles Duceppe told MPs and party members who strongly endorsed his leadership at a meeting Saturday. That goal "is as pertinent as ever," he told about 300 supporters in Saint-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres east of Montreal.

what a joke...Quebec is not sustainable

As well I do remember many people calling the conservatives ignorant for calling the PQ separatist

I think Canada should sigh with relief that the coalition didn't get power cause these are the people that would have had to back them into power

I have quite a few friends in Quebec, and they consistently tell me that anyone with a brain in that province realizes sovereignty is a retarded goal to push for. It will never happen.

I live in Quebec (Montreal), and, unfortunately, I can tell you that the "anyone with a brain" represents less than 25% of the population.

Quebec, yes, a lot more socialist than the rest of Canada. More unionized. More "free" goodies, free as you consume them, but we are the most heavily taxed state/province in North America as a consequence.

Nothing gets built or undertaken here because nobody wants to pay for it (neither Quebec (province's capital) nor Ottawa (Federal Capital)). Plus, pure Quebekers despise private investments (that would result in infrastructures such as toll roads or bridges). They hate tolls, hate to pay more for anything, except to see the Montreal Canadiens (most expensive tickets in the NHL).

The separatist movement has died down, true, but it is mostly due to Montreal, as a growing number of immigrants/expats are solely speaking English and the youth/teens are much more at ease with English than their parents are. Downtown Montreal is as "English" as Downtown Toronto, if you ask me. They even serve you in English first in fast foods/restaurants.

As for tuition, it depends where you go and what you do. Like I said, taxes are high so, whatever "rebate" you may seem to have, you are still going to end up paying more taxes. Plus, I study at McGill, and I know that my yearly tuition costs are far higher than $2000 (and I'm not even if the most expensive faculties, such as Law and Medecine). By the way, out-of-province students pay 2 or 3 times as much as Quebekers, which negates the price advantage Quebec universities have over other Canadian universities (this is applicable to every Quebec universities, not only McGill). Even worse, out-of-country students pay 5-6 times more than Quebekers, which explains why a lot of Americans who study at McGill hold dual citizenship. Anyway... it is not that nice and neat living in Quebec, and if you ask me, I'd rather get outta there as soon as I get my degree.

Hmm, so really it sounds a lot like I had it pictured, although I didn't realize Montreal was that English. Makes me almost want to visit I would like to take down Old Quebec City again at some point.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
This massive multicultural failure of Canada would be resolved if the Anglo side of Canada would be less barbaric and drop their bizarre love of the Queen.

Ur a worm. Go rent "The Duchess" and throw popcorn at your television or something. Canada is better politically than the US.

 

[sammyunltd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
This massive multicultural failure of Canada would be resolved if the Anglo side of Canada would be less barbaric and drop their bizarre love of the Queen.

Ur a worm. Go rent "The Duchess" and throw popcorn at your television or something. Canada is better politically than the US.

I don't know. Depends on where you live. Here in Quebec it is a total mess. We elected a Liberal majority, so that's a good start. However, as long as Parti Quebecois and Bloc Quebecois (separatists party, at the provincial and federal scale respectively) exist, there will be no such thing as "rest" and "good politics."