BLM yelling black lives matter during moment of silence for fallen cops

[nexus5rocks]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/28/black-lives-matter-shout-interrupts-dnc-moment-sil/

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_D67JDMfI

And they wonder why people don't take their cause seriously. Truly disrespectful.

 

[HomerJS]

You mean like Republicans wanted people to take them seriously when one yelled "you lie" during the SOTU?

Having said that shouts were inappropriate at that moment. The Dems during their convention showcased "both" sides during their convention unlike the GOP.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Stay classy democrats.

 

[theeedude]

Shouldn't there be a moment of silence for ALL killed, not just the cops?
I mean we hear BLM critics say that ALL lives matter.

 

[EOM]

When will the cops have a moment of silence for those killed by the cops? If you read police forums after a very public shooting, you'll see how much respect they give the dead.

 

[glenn1]

Shouldn't there be a moment of silence for ALL killed, not just the cops?
I mean we hear BLM critics say that ALL lives matter.

No argument but since the speaker who called for the moment of silence for the slain police officers was evidently herself a POC female police chief, perhaps a simple division of labor would be practical. I'm sure there would be plenty of people who would volunteer to lead the moment of silence for all that you suggested.

 

[Moonbeam]

How and why are people who are not respected expected to show respect?

And what is a show of respect but the false salve and bandage demanded from those who have none themselves because of self hate and thus need it from the outside. Imagine the self respect of someone who willingly climbs a cross to tell you that you are forgiven because you know not what you do. There is a place within where self respect is infinite and the opinions of men unimportant. We show respect to honor that fact, not to demand it.

 

[interchange]

You have identified with the anger they have projected onto you.

The source of their anger is from being judged without an attempt to listen for understanding and empathy.

The source of your anger is from being judged without an attempt to listen for understanding and empathy.

Neither of you is wrong for feeling that anger. Both of you have a choice whether you wish to identify with that projection or tolerate it long enough to listen to each other.

Sadly, I feel as though our societal structure castrates those who may wish to attempt suppressing judgement in favor of understanding.

 

[Chaotic42]

There are jerks in every crowd. That doesn't mean that the whole group is disrespectful. This is the issue with using symbols for causes, they can be co-opted and the actions of a few can taint public opinion.

 

[Ackmed]

While I don't believe all BLM members are as disrespectful as the asshats who shouted BLM, it makes them as a whole look bad.

You mean like Republicans wanted people to take them seriously when one yelled "you lie" during the SOTU?

Having said that shouts were inappropriate at that moment. The Dems during their convention showcased "both" sides during their convention unlike the GOP.

Comparing these two is silly. One was for respect for people murdered, one wasn't.

Both sides? True, after they got ridiculed for having BLM and not family of fallen cops. Dems also had several mothers of criminals up there, who were far from innocent. But I guess you have no problem with Brown's mom being up there huh? Glorifying a thugs life, as if he was killed unjustly.

Shouldn't there be a moment of silence for ALL killed, not just the cops?
I mean we hear BLM critics say that ALL lives matter.

Um... cops of different races were killed recently, including black cops.. She didn't say moment of silence for white cops, or black cops, or anything else. There are every race of cop imaginable out there. Good try though.

There are jerks in every crowd. That doesn't mean that the whole group is disrespectful. This is the issue with using symbols for causes, they can be co-opted and the actions of a few can taint public opinion.

Very true. Both sides need to do better. Little comments like this go a long way to making them as whole look bad. Same goes when a cop does something bad.

 

[interchange]

People are mean to each other in order to shift tolerance of their distress on to another. In some cases, it is humbly a request to share the distress in order to act within it. In other cases, it is an effort to place part or all of that distress onto the hands of another.

I think the most essential function of a healthy society is to promote individual responsibility through volunteering to take on the distress of another when it is done so through partnership.

Failure to do so pushes us farther and farther into attempting to remove humanity from the perceptions of our problems, thinking that the solution to them must involve rationality and objectivity. Dehumanizing others is the essential step in tacitly immoral activity, all the way from assigning responsibility to Jews in Nazi Germany; to choosing to bomb an airport in the service of a deity; to murder-suicide; to allowing unconscious racial biases to turn into murder disguised as police work or self-defense; to protesting such actions by vilifying police; to goading Russian hackers to hack government emails; to fighting about these problems on Anandtech politics and news instead of taking some individual action.

Working toward a better society is hard. I have some ideas. Perhaps we could talk about them sometime here. I'm not sure I'm self-aware enough yet to take action. This place is pretty good, though, about helping me determine that.

 

[Moonbeam]

People are mean to each other in order to shift tolerance of their distress on to another. In some cases, it is humbly a request to share the distress in order to act within it. In other cases, it is an effort to place part or all of that distress onto the hands of another.

I think the most essential function of a healthy society is to promote individual responsibility through volunteering to take on the distress of another when it is done so through partnership.

Failure to do so pushes us farther and farther into attempting to remove humanity from the perceptions of our problems, thinking that the solution to them must involve rationality and objectivity. Dehumanizing others is the essential step in tacitly immoral activity, all the way from assigning responsibility to Jews in Nazi Germany; to choosing to bomb an airport in the service of a deity; to murder-suicide; to allowing unconscious racial biases to turn into murder disguised as police work or self-defense; to protesting such actions by vilifying police; to goading Russian hackers to hack government emails; to fighting about these problems on Anandtech politics and news instead of taking some individual action.

Working toward a better society is hard. I have some ideas. Perhaps we could talk about them sometime here. I'm not sure I'm self-aware enough yet to take action. This place is pretty good, though, about helping me determine that.

I've heard the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Seems to me that non certainty would be a big one. And besides an unknown journey down a dark path can always be helped by lanterns along the way. And besides, a song told me the love you take is equal to the love you make.

 

[tracerbullet]

Stay classy democrats.

What's that got to do with anything?

 

[TheGardener]

Haters got to hate, sums it up pretty well.

 

[interchange]

I've heard the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Seems to me that non certainty would be a big one. And besides an unknown journey down a dark path can always be helped by lanterns along the way. And besides, a song told me the love you take is equal to the love you make.

I have such an ego ideal that my therapist has had difficulty containing automatic reactions such as "don't apologize" when brushing up against it. I am not sure, though, if I should spare myself pain by trying to reconstruct it as an achievable human state or if I should keep it around -- lest I let my self-awareness slip and find myself gratifying something primitive when I am hoping to help others.

I am usually contented playing the long game. I have a fear that on my death bed I will be holding all the cards only to find that my opponents have long since vanished.

 

[MajinCry]

If they represent BLM as a whole, then the Westboro Baptist Church represents Christians as a whole. Lookin' at what a wee group does then attributin' that tae the majority...Ya, bit odd.

 

[Moonbeam]

I have such an ego ideal that my therapist has had difficulty containing automatic reactions such as "don't apologize" when brushing up against it. I am not sure, though, if I should spare myself pain by trying to reconstruct it as an achievable human state or if I should keep it around -- lest I let my self-awareness slip and find myself gratifying something primitive when I am hoping to help others.

I am usually contented playing the long game. I have a fear that on my death bed I will be holding all the cards only to find that my opponents have long since vanished.

Well my therapist told me that all the pain I fear has already happened and that my real fear is remembering it. He said the fear of death is the fear of not having lived. And despite whatever within me might wish for the welfare of others, he said that until I understood my self loathing a part of me would sabotage those wishes and that I would hate him for bringing that news.

 

[interchange]

Well my therapist told me that all the pain I fear has already happened and that my real fear is remembering it. He said the fear of death is the fear of not having lived. And despite whatever within me might wish for the welfare of others, he said that until I understood my self loathing a part of me would sabotage those wishes and that I would hate him for bringing that news.

There are many different models of the mind. The more I look at them, the more they tend to lead me to the same place, though I am just a novice in the psychoanalytic world. Perhaps surprisingly, significant psychic pain is one of the most important characteristics for doing well with psychodynamic psychotherapy. One way of looking at the goal of therapy is bringing someone's ego function and ego ideal closer together, and that psychic pain is indicative of how far apart they are. Better ego function involves helping someone utilize mature defenses over immature defenses. The process of exploration involves regression, whereby someone enacts in therapy the roles that they experienced earlier in life including more and more immature defenses.

I'm sure it would not surprise you to find that repression, projection, and related defenses -- which involve disavowing distress and either inventing a reality in which it does not exist or assigning ownership of it to someone else -- are those defenses which children access first, when we are truly confronted with our most basic and disastrous conflicts.

And it would not surprise you to find that altruism, for example, is a defense mechanism in which one's own earlier suffering is turned into acts to protect others from the same suffering you have experienced. And that altruism is one of those mature defenses.

Of course, it is still a defense mechanism. And it is used, in this instance, to face that pain you reference, and since it is not a defense that involves disavowal, it requires that you understand your self-loathing in order to utilize it without sabotaging yourself.

For those that find me critical here, perhaps you may attend to some other idea. Those who have not experienced much pain tend to be relatively unconflicted in life, happy, and successful people. And they are always quite dull and could never utilize altruism to contribute to the public good nor sublimation to create beautiful works of art. If I am critical of you here, know that it represents a recognition that you have potential. And know that, by definition, I could never be more critical of you than I am of myself.