Bleak news for Average American's wages

[Ausm]

Right...because neither is working hard and agitating for recognition worth it either, right genius ?

Seriously, some of you bitching... what have you done to deserve a raise? So your company paid its CEO more this year, fine. What value have you created, added, etc to be able to walk into your boss's office and ask for one yourself ?

I also love how many of you lefties can't wait to strip religion and religious values out of public existence, yet you complain when the 'greedy' CEOs keep all the raise money for themselves. Maybe this is what happens when the concepts of morality and peoples' sense of fairness disappears? Hmm...

What religious values come out of unparalleled greed? The Rights credo is do what I say and NOT what I do.

 

[xBiffx]

What religious values come out of unparalleled greed?

Comprehension fail.

 

[Ausm]

Comprehension fail.

Bye Repug Tool.

 

[xBiffx]

Bye Repug Tool.

Hello leftist troll.

 

[Ausm]

Hello leftist troll.

Your're sort like a bad case of clap you are hard to get rid of...

 

[momeNt]

What religious values come out of unparalleled greed? The Rights credo is do what I say and NOT what I do.

I was listening to the Thom Hartmann shows and he said there was a study showing that 16month old babies were watched for their reaction towards a person distributing crackers between two people. Babies found it normal when each were given the same amount of crackers. 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc. Babies were shocked and flabbergasted when one received 2 to 1. His take on this was that we are born with these altruistic instincts but somehow we lost them.

I wonder though if the study had people perform an act and the one who did a better job was rewarded more, if the babies would have had any problem with that. Just giving crackers out for no reason is one thing, but perhaps even 16 month old babies have an instinct for rewards based on performance.

He went on to mention how animals even behave democratically at times. Obviously failed to mention how alphas eat first in pack animal groups or have their pick of mates. Very slanted talk radio but still has some interesting nuggets.

 

[KlokWyze]

Right...because neither is working hard and agitating for recognition worth it either, right genius ?

Seriously, some of you bitching... what have you done to deserve a raise? So your company paid its CEO more this year, fine. What value have you created, added, etc to be able to walk into your boss's office and ask for one yourself ?

I also love how many of you lefties can't wait to strip religion and religious values out of public existence, yet you complain when the 'greedy' CEOs keep all the raise money for themselves. Maybe this is what happens when the concepts of morality and peoples' sense of fairness disappears? Hmm...

Who in here said it's not good to work hard? Do you honestly believe that because some is left, that they lack the ability to create something or be a hard worker?

What makes you think that religion is necessary for a person to be moral?

 

[Ausm]

Who in here said it's not good to work hard? Do you honestly believe that because some is left, that they lack the ability to create something or be a hard worker?

What makes you think that religion is necessary for a person to be moral?

My point exactly...

 

[Attic]

I was listening to the Thom Hartmann shows and he said there was a study showing that 16month old babies were watched for their reaction towards a person distributing crackers between two people. Babies found it normal when each were given the same amount of crackers. 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc. Babies were shocked and flabbergasted when one received 2 to 1. His take on this was that we are born with these altruistic instincts but somehow we lost them.

Schocked and flabbergasted babies!


Wage inofmration from the OP is bleak news indeed. Fucking terrible.

 

[rchiu]

Well I guess in this time of world wide recession, we all should expect a nice raise without doing anything ourselves, no need to update our skills, or actually get off our ass and proactively look for better job or career advancement. The rich 1% and the Wall St. should be providing all of us the 6 figure job we all so deserved. We are entitled to that because we are American....hell yeah.

 

[Ausm]

Well I guess in this time of world wide recession, we all should expect a nice raise without doing anything ourselves, no need to update our skills, or actually get off our ass and proactively look for better job or career advancement. The rich 1% and the Wall St. should be providing all of us the 6 figure job we all so deserved. We are entitled to that because we are American....hell yeah.

Your're equating fairness with a handout? You must be a Righty.

 

[MovingTarget]

I also love how many of you lefties can't wait to strip religion and religious values out of public existence, yet you complain when the 'greedy' CEOs keep all the raise money for themselves. Maybe this is what happens when the concepts of morality and peoples' sense of fairness disappears? Hmm...

Ha! The right certainly does not have a monopoly on religion or religious values. Many on the left do in fact base their arguments/positions about those greedy CEOs, economic fairness, etc. on those very same values - values that are often ignored or derided by the very same righties that wear their religion on their sleeve. Greed, whether it be individual or collective, is a vice, not a virtue.

 

[brencat]

What makes you think that religion is necessary for a person to be moral?

It is not. However, it helps put a restraint on people who would otherwise push the envelope of what society broadly considers good and decent.

And people need to have those boundaries defined in order for a civil society to function effectively. Clearly, something is missing in this day and age and it is decency IMO. The de-emphasizing of religion and moral behavior in our daily lives, and the overemphasis on self / selfishness / hubris is contributing to all of the negative behavior, lack of fairness, etc many of you are observing today.

 

[child of wonder]

Never said it was a big deal.

I've been working for the same company for the last 21 years, I know how much the shop supervisors made back in 2000 and I make much more than they would even if they received a 5% per year from 2000 to now.

You make it sound like a big deal.

Anyway, I withdraw what I said. Many, many people would LOVE to get a 4.25% raise every year on average even when the economy isn't in the tank.

 

[Jhhnn]

Right...because neither is working hard and agitating for recognition worth it either, right genius ?

Seriously, some of you bitching... what have you done to deserve a raise? So your company paid its CEO more this year, fine. What value have you created, added, etc to be able to walk into your boss's office and ask for one yourself ?

I also love how many of you lefties can't wait to strip religion and religious values out of public existence, yet you complain when the 'greedy' CEOs keep all the raise money for themselves. Maybe this is what happens when the concepts of morality and peoples' sense of fairness disappears? Hmm...

Wrong question. What have the vast majority of workers done to deserve a 7% pay cut?

Well, other than too many voting Republican...

The values you reference aren't necessarily religious, at all. Societies that aren't very religious at all have much more egalitarian principles and results than our own.

Hell, there's a whole school of Christian theology that believes God showers wealth on the Righteous- The fact that an individual is wealthy is proof of God's favor, a pretty nifty ontology...

 

[Nebor]

Tossing a rich person's salad is hardly something to be proud of, shit breath.

That's the problem with you liberals, you've got to take pride in your job, no matter what it is.

 

[child of wonder]

It is not. However, it helps put a restraint on people who would otherwise push the envelope of what society broadly considers good and decent.

And people need to have those boundaries defined in order for a civil society to function effectively. Clearly, something is missing in this day and age and it is decency IMO. The de-emphasizing of religion and moral behavior in our daily lives, and the overemphasis on self / selfishness / hubris is contributing to all of the negative behavior, lack of fairness, etc many of you are observing today.

If someone requires faith in an eternal father figure to behave, then how does their good behavior compare to those who believe in no reward or punishment after death yet still behave ethically?

 

[Ausm]

It is not. However, it helps put a restraint on people who would otherwise push the envelope of what society broadly considers good and decent.

And people need to have those boundaries defined in order for a civil society to function effectively. Clearly, something is missing in this day and age and it is decency IMO. The de-emphasizing of religion and moral behavior in our daily lives, and the overemphasis on self / selfishness / hubris is contributing to all of the negative behavior, lack of fairness, etc many of you are observing today.

LOLwut?? Oh I forgot to add I am a Godless Heathen

 

[Ausm]

That's the problem with you liberals, you've got to take pride in your job, no matter what it is.

We don't like doing a half-ass job like the Republicans in the 112th Congress

 

[brencat]

If someone requires faith in an eternal father figure to behave, then how does their good behavior compare to those who believe in no reward or punishment after death yet still behave ethically?

Fair question. As a moderately religious person (Catholic) who believes in judgement day at death, I would suggest that they will be judged based on the gifts they were given. If they grew up and were taught religion, know their faith, yet behaved poorly or rejected it, then they will be judged harder than the person who grew up in a completely secular non-religious household who behaved generally decent but still far from perfect. Not sure if that answers your question adequately. Actually, my wife who is a devout Catholic (who grew up in Spain and was taught our faith properly, not out of fear like we were here) could give you a much better answer but she is not here right now to read my answer.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Average American's wages have dropped 7% since 2000 and the majority of Economist surveyed feel wages won't even begin to catch up until 2021.

In other news, CEO pay is up 28%!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2198537

 

[Nebor]

We don't like doing a half-ass job like the Republicans in the 112th Congress

Are you saying you give a better rimjob than me?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Fair question. As a moderately religious person (Catholic) who believes in judgement day at death, I would suggest that they will be judged based on the gifts they were given. If they grew up and were taught religion, know their faith, yet behaved poorly or rejected it, then they will be judged harder than the person who grew up in a completely secular non-religious household who behaved generally decent but still far from perfect. Not sure if that answers your question adequately. Actually, my wife who is a devout Catholic (who grew up in Spain and was taught our faith properly, not out of fear like we were here) could give you a much better answer but she is not here right now to read my answer.

No, I think he's asking what does it say about a person's character who behaves ethically just for the sake of behaving ethically as opposed to someone who does so only out of the promise/threat of some impending reward/punishment for doing/not doing so.

 

[Doppel]

I don't know about you guys, but I make 42% more now than I did back in 2000 (not including bonuses).

I assume a lot of people here are relatively young, 20's, 30's, then the number of people in the older groups starts to drop off, so this would be expected in any case...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It could come to pass that the wait may be decreased since 1% who have stolen everything may have already fucked themselves in the ass and are going to be brought to account by the 99%ers.

Who knows, maybe the people will wake up and call a Constitutional convention to get their government back. Maybe we can get public funded elections and 100 dollars max political contributions.

Do you really think the people are going to rise up and start constructing guillotines?