Blasts at Iranian missile launch site

[Jhhnn]

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DEBKAfiles... the propaganda organ of the Israeli right wing...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Not seeing this on Reuters or the AP.

Not familiar with DEBKA, from wikipedia, they look like an Israeli equivalent of Janes Information Group. How reliable are they?

 

[hal2kilo]

First Stuxnet, now this. It seems some preparations are underway to take out Iran.

Hopefully done by some unsung heros in our intelligence and special forces. The only logical way to deal with terrorists. As a matter of fact, hopefully, no credit is ever taken for it either.

Talk softly, and carrry a big stick. Instead of the cowboy braggadocio bullshit we've been doing up until the last couple of years.

 

[SamurAchzar]

DEBKAfiles... the propaganda organ of the Israeli right wing...

Thank you for the contribution to this thread.

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2010/10/big-bang.html

While world attention has been focused on the recent copper mine rescue in Chile, there was (reportedly) another underground event-of-note, this one in Iran.

Israel-based DEBKAfile reports that a series of blasts occurred on Tuesday at the underground Iranian missile base near Khorramabad. While DEBKA's accuracy is sometimes spotty, the story--if true--is certainly compelling, and suggests that the covert war against Iran has entered a new phase.

Intelligence sources (almost certainly Israeli) tell DEBKA that three blasts hit underground facilities at the Imam Ali Base on Tuesday, the day before Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadiejad arrived in Lebanon. Interestingly, Tehran has acknowledge that a mishap took place at the missile facility, blaming it on a "fire" that spread to a munitions storage facility. Officially, Iran says that 18 soldiers--all members of the Revolutionary Guards--were killed in the blasts and 14 others were injured. Western intelligence officials believe the death toll was actually much higher.

Reports of underground explosions at Khorramabad immediately caught our attention. It was one of the first facilities built to support the Shahab-3, the first Iranian ballistic system capable of striking targets in Israel. Intelligence analysts believe at least 15 Shahab-3s are stationed at the Iman Ali Base, along with an unknown number of mobile launchers. Much of missile maintenance and storage activity at the installation is conducted underground, making it difficult for western intelligence to determine how many missiles are in garrison at any given time, and the overall operational posture of the Shahab-3 unit.

Security at the base is extremely tight, and the underground chambers are (presumably) equipped with blast doors, sprinkler systems and other protective measures. That makes the explosions even more remarkable. Assuming that DEBKA is correct, the Iranians must concede that one of their most important missile bases was crippled by an act of sabotage.

Readers will also note that no one (so far) has claimed responsibility for the blasts. In terms of the usual suspects, you can probably rule out Iranian opposition groups. Generally speaking, they lack the resources to carry out that sort of strike; besides, if one of those groups was behind the strike, they would likely claim credit, to enhance their stature within opposition community and score propaganda points at the expense of the Iranian regime.

It's also doubtful the CIA was behind the incident. We can't imagine the Obama Administration using the agency's covert operations assets to stage such a provocative attack against the Tehran regime--the same government it has been trying to court diplomatically (without success) for the past two years.

On the other hand, the Israel's Mossad certainly has the assets, the skill and the willingness to strike key Iranian targets. And, it certainly fits with the recent pattern of mysterious attacks against Tehran's WMD programs and delivery systems. Earlier this year, computer networks at key facilities--including Iranian nuclear complexes--were hit with a crippling cyber attack, using the Stuxnet worm. Now, one of its medium-range missile bases has been damaged in a daring strike. Operatives somehow penetrated the installation's multiple layers of security, then planted and detonated bombs that destroyed some of Iran's most important military assets.

Again, assuming the DEBKA report is correct, the counter-intelligence folks in Tehran must be going crazy. Stuxnet was bad enough; now a potentially crippling strike at a Shahab-3 base. The mullahs aren't happy, and they want answers--now. Look for a wave of arrests in the coming days, aimed largely at placating senior officials.

As readers will recall, there was a similar round-up in the wake of Stuxnet. According to state-run media, a number of "cyber-terrorists" were arrested by Iranian security officials, but the computer attacks have continued. Part of that reflects the nature of cyber-warfare; once unleashed, it's hard to get the genie back in the bottle.

But experts have also noted that once the malware is unleashed (typically through a flash drive or other external device), the scope of that particular infection is limited. Just one more indication that Stuxnet is not your typical bit of malware, but a brilliantly-designed--and executed--cyber strike. And, as the infections continue, Iran can only wonder how many more "terrorists" are out there, waiting to plug a flash drive into a targeted system.

And who might be waiting to blow up Bakhtaran, or some other missile base. Bakhtaran is the Shahab-3 facility with the "hole in the roof," allowing covert launches from inside its underground complex. Damaging Iran's "bolt-from-the-blue" capability might be the next move in this unconventional war.

This is a replay of the Israeli attack on the Syrian reactor at 2007, just wait for a few weeks for some more leaks from intelligence sources to leak and you'll see stories popping up.

 

[CallMeJoe]

There is indeed the possibility of foreign agency, but one should acknowledge that simple Iranian military incompetence is also a credible cause of such an explosion.

Shit happens...

 

[JEDIYoda]

DEBKAfiles... the propaganda organ of the Israeli right wing...

In the absence of Lemon law and routan, I wish to thank you for your comedic contribution to this thread!

 

[Jhhnn]

In the absence of Lemon law and routan, I wish to thank you for your comedic contribution to this thread!

Just pointing out the obvious. While the truth of the incident remains obscure, the bias of the OP's source does not, nor does your own.

 

[Freshgeardude]

DEBKAfiles... the propaganda organ of the Israeli right wing...

lol, they have been correct plenty of times in the past and continue to be correct till today.

nothing has changed.

neither has your ignorance

 

[Lemon law]

I have to ask Sammy why he made the somewhat bargagrd statement of, "On the other hand, the Israel's Mossad certainly has the assets, the skill and the willingness to strike key Iranian targets. And, it certainly fits with the recent pattern of mysterious attacks against Tehran's WMD programs and delivery systems. "

Because if it is sabatage rather than an accident, it puts the USA and Israel right at top of the prime suspect list.

It may wound Iran somewhat, but is that a good thing if it drives Iranian people decidedly to the right and makes Achmadinejad more popular at just the time the Mullah's are losing ground? Meanwhile if Iran's neighbors like Turkey believe the Mossad did it, its going to queer any Israeli hope of patching relations with Turkey. Meanwhile if Iran blames Israel, they will have all kinds of very good resons for arming anti Israeli terrorists to the teeth and heating up the proxy wars. Meanwhile it will destroy the US's negotiating position in the mid-east if Israel gets the blame, because the USA will be aotomatically blamed as complicit.

Its why I hope Israel does not get the blame, because things are tense enough in the mid-east as it is.

 

[dahunan]

lol, they have been correct plenty of times in the past and continue to be correct till today.

nothing has changed.

neither has your ignorance

Neither has your willingness to be an Israeli Terrorist just like your founders

 

[dahunan]

lol, they have been correct plenty of times in the past and continue to be correct till today.

nothing has changed.

neither has your ignorance

When I told you that Israel had lots of TERRORIST Organizations and that the FIRST UN Peacekeeper ever sent to the region was MURDERED by Israeli Terrorists

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WHAT DID YOU SAY...

basically that he was not going to give us peace ON OUR TERMS... so what the fuck is peace then ... you are just another example of disgusting NONHUMAN.. cannot negotiate ..

and the sickest part is.. you think there is some God that thinks your shit don't stink

 

[PJABBER]

LOL! Iran's strategic threat capability is being taken down, one asset at a time. And they can't figure out how to stop it except by laying waste to their own engineers and technicians. Must be tough to get contractors to work there these days! LOL!

 

[dahunan]

LOL! Iran's strategic threat capability is being taken down, one asset at a time. And they can't figure out how to stop it except by laying waste to their own engineers and technicians. Must be tough to get contractors to work there these days! LOL!

Are you waiting for china and russia to decide if they want world war or not?

 

[SamurAchzar]

I have to ask Sammy why he made the somewhat bargagrd statement of, "On the other hand, the Israel's Mossad certainly has the assets, the skill and the willingness to strike key Iranian targets. And, it certainly fits with the recent pattern of mysterious attacks against Tehran's WMD programs and delivery systems. "

Because if it is sabatage rather than an accident, it puts the USA and Israel right at top of the prime suspect list.

Obviously.

It may wound Iran somewhat, but is that a good thing if it drives Iranian people decidedly to the right and makes Achmadinejad more popular at just the time the Mullah's are losing ground?

Err, the Iranians never reported a sabotage, and the government line is all of the Ahmadinejad supporting public is going to hear anyway. They talked about an "accident". Gee, they must be having awful lot of "accidents" lately (Refinery explosions, Busher reactor malfunctions, damaged centrifuges and now this).
It wouldn't be too far fetched to assume the Syrian public still hasn't learned full details of the 2007 incident at all.

Besides, Iran will blame Israel for anything regardless, I doubt it changes their rhetorics much.

Meanwhile if Iran's neighbors like Turkey believe the Mossad did it, its going to queer any Israeli hope of patching relations with Turkey.

Only a fool would think Turkey - and especially the Turkish military establishment, or what left of it - honestly condones a nuclear Iran.

Meanwhile if Iran blames Israel, they will have all kinds of very good resons for arming anti Israeli terrorists to the teeth and heating up the proxy wars.

Don't they do it already?

Meanwhile it will destroy the US's negotiating position in the mid-east if Israel gets the blame, because the USA will be aotomatically blamed as complicit.

Yes, because the Sunni Arabs looooooooooooove Iran. I can see how Egypt turns to US in protest for playing a part in harming Iran, just like they did when Israel bombed the Syrian reactor. Oh, they didn't? Gee.

Its why I hope Israel does not get the blame, because things are tense enough in the mid-east as it is.

Israel never acknowledges these things in public, and yet only a fool would think anyone else is responsible.

Seems like Israel is wrecking a real havoc on Iran, and doing so quietly and effectively. Only seems fair after you consider the Iranian lifeline to Hizballah and Hamas.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The facts are that we don't know what happened and declarative statements aren't valid.

 

[ForumMaster]

well, bloomberg is also reporting the story.

i don't think they're biased, although this story is hardly getting any coverage.

 

[dahunan]

wasnt it about a year ago that we also supported terrorists cutting telecommunication lines to the whole nation of Iran?

 

[Freshgeardude]

When I told you that Israel had lots of TERRORIST Organizations and that the FIRST UN Peacekeeper ever sent to the region was MURDERED by Israeli Terrorists

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WHAT DID YOU SAY...

basically that he was not going to give us peace ON OUR TERMS... so what the fuck is peace then ... you are just another example of disgusting NONHUMAN.. cannot negotiate ..

and the sickest part is.. you think there is some God that thinks your shit don't stink

lol you post makes me laugh.

You are calling me a terrorist now! haha

I think you need to know the definition of the word terrorist:

a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

I dont agree with terrorism, and i look down upon any terrorist.

go check my posts about that.


I dont know how many times people on this forum have to tell you and your friend LL the same thing over and over.

Israel had a freeze for 10 months.

the palestinains did nothing.

after 8 months and pressure from every major country AND the arab league, they finally came to the table.

Israel has asked for peace since its creation. it says so in its decleration of statehood.

Israel was attacked the day after its creation and now fights terrorists in gaza and in lebanon.

egypt and jordan both have treaties with israel and guess what? they help each other out.



Oh and fwiw, i dont believe in god, but I do respect people who believe in religion, because I live in the US born on principles of freedom of religion.

I dont however believe in extremism on any side.

So it is you that thinks your shit doesnt smell

 

[dahunan]

sry FGD

it is you who defends Israeli actions as though he is some elite better than others yet not a god believer and is a believer in freedom of others...

you are so lost you cant even make a intelligible post without looking like a douche

you really think it was OK or rational for ISRAELI TERRORISTS to MURDER the first ever un peacekeeper who came to the region because his version of peace was not in line with their version?

^^ if you answer yes then how can anything you say be taken seriously?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally Posted by JEDIYoda
In the absence of Lemon law and routan, I wish to thank you for your comedic contribution to this thread!

Originally Posted by Jhhnn
Just pointing out the obvious. While the truth of the incident remains obscure, the bias of the OP's source does not, nor does your own.

Originally Posted by Freshgeardude
lol, they have been correct plenty of times in the past and continue to be correct till today.

nothing has changed.

neither has your ignorance

Once again Jhhnn -- I wish to thank you for your comedic contribution to this thread!

🙂 🙂

 

[ProfJohn]

This could be industrial sabotage at its finest

Everyone remember the cold war story where the US found out that Russians were spying on and stealing information to build and run their oil pipe lines. So we provided them with faulty information that made their pipe run well above safety limited and eventually lead to the pipe line blowing up and cause great economic difficulty to them?

This could be something similar. Or more likely an Israeli spy set them up to explode, or started the fire etc etc.

Of course it could just be an accident. Wonder if we will ever know.

 

[dahunan]

This could be industrial sabotage at its finest

Everyone remember the cold war story where the US found out that Russians were spying on and stealing information to build and run their oil pipe lines. So we provided them with faulty information that made their pipe run well above safety limited and eventually lead to the pipe line blowing up and cause great economic difficulty to them?

This could be something similar. Or more likely an Israeli spy set them up to explode, or started the fire etc etc.

Of course it could just be an accident. Wonder if we will ever know.

If it was not a natural accident should it be considered terrorism... please be honest

 

[JEDIYoda]

sry FGD

it is you who defends Israeli actions as though he is some elite better than others yet not a god believer and is a believer in freedom of others...

you are so lost you cant even make a intelligible post without looking like a douche

you really think it was OK or rational for ISRAELI TERRORISTS to MURDER the first ever un peacekeeper who came to the region because his version of peace was not in line with their version?

^^ if you answer yes then how can anything you say be taken seriously?

You still drying over that one UN Peacekeeper....give it a break!!
sheese.....come up with something credible and original!!

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0995/9509083.htm

I have taken the pertinent info from this article...yet I have psoted the link so other can do the same...

During the lull, Bernadotte had put forward his first proposal for solving the conflict. Instead, it was to seal his fate. Bernadotte's transgression, in the view of Jewish zealots, was to include in his June 28 proposal the suggestion that Jerusalem be placed under Jordanian rule, since all the area around the city was designated for the Arab state.4

The U.N. partition plan had declared Jerusalem an international city that was to be ruled by neither Arab nor Jew. But the Jewish terrorists, including Shamir and Menachem Begin, the leader of the largest terrorist group, Irgun Zvai Leumi—National Military Organization, also known by the Hebrew acronym "Etzel"—had rejected partition and claimed all of Palestine and Jordan for the Jewish state. These Jewish extremists were horrified at Bernadotte's suggestion.

By July Sternists were already threatening Bernadotte's assassination. New York Times columnist C.L. Sulzberger reported meeting with two Stern members on July 24, who stated: "We intend to kill Bernadotte and any other uniformed United Nations observers who come to Jerusalem." Asked why, "They replied that their organization was determined to seize all of Jerusalem for the state of Israel and would brook no interference by any national or international body."5

Since Bernadotte's first set of proposals had caused criticism from all parties, he spent the rest of the summer working up new proposals, which he finally finished on Sept. 16. Unknown publicly was the fact that in his new suggestions Bernadotte dropped his idea of turning over Jerusalem to Jordan and instead reverted to the partition plan's designation of it as an international city.6 Thus when Shamir's gunmen cut down Bernadotte the next day, they were unaware that he no longer was advocating giving Jerusalem to the Arabs.

There are many complicated factors to deal with and as much as both sides IMO are equally to blame.
As Common Courtesy has stated over and over - the only way there will be a meaningful peace is for all sides to come to the table with NO!! pre-set conditions.
That means everything is open for discussion!

Then the article goes on to state the obvious concerning the UN...
The first secretary-general, Trygve Lie, said: "If the Great Powers accepted that this situation in the Middle East could best be settled by leaving the forces concerned to fight it out amongst themselves, it was quite clear that they would be tacitly admitting that the Security Council and the United Nations was a useless instrument in attempting to preserve peace."

 

[JEDIYoda]

you are so lost you cant even make a intelligible post without looking like a douche

dahunan -- That`s what we all think about you anytime you post!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

lol you post makes me laugh.

You are calling me a terrorist now! haha

I think you need to know the definition of the word terrorist:



I dont agree with terrorism, and i look down upon any terrorist.

go check my posts about that.


I dont know how many times people on this forum have to tell you and your friend LL the same thing over and over.

Israel had a freeze for 10 months.

the palestinains did nothing.

after 8 months and pressure from every major country AND the arab league, they finally came to the table.

Israel has asked for peace since its creation. it says so in its decleration of statehood.

Israel was attacked the day after its creation and now fights terrorists in gaza and in lebanon.

egypt and jordan both have treaties with israel and guess what? they help each other out.



Oh and fwiw, i dont believe in god, but I do respect people who believe in religion, because I live in the US born on principles of freedom of religion.

I dont however believe in extremism on any side.

So it is you that thinks your shit doesnt smell

dahunan won`t answer you, because he only deals in the past and he think the first UN peacekeepers death is his trump card to get you and other to shut up!!