Blame it on the FDA.....

JEDIYoda

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So sorry for you vapers!!! --- Not really just joking!!
Any idiot had to know this was going to happen...or did you think vaping was harmless...lololol


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsu...-of-its-e-cigarette-regulations/#64d9fe3d913a

The Food and Drug Administration’s e-cigarette regulations, which took effect this week, immediately struck two blows against public health. As of Monday, companies that sell vaping equipment and the fluids that fill them are forbidden to share potentially lifesaving information about those products with their customers. They are also forbidden to make their products safer, more convenient, or more pleasant to use.

The FDA’s censorship and its ban on innovation will discourage smokers from switching to vaping, even though that switch would dramatically reduce the health risks they face. That effect will be compounded by the FDA’s requirement that manufacturers obtain its approval for any vaping products they want to keep on the market for longer than two years. The cost of meeting that requirement will force many companies out of business and force those that remain to shrink their offerings, dramatically reducing competition and variety.

All of this is unambiguously bad for consumers and bad for public health. Yet the FDA took none of it into account when it estimated the costs imposed by its regulations, simply assuming that good intentions would ensure good results.

Although preventing fraud is the official intent of the FDA’s speech restrictions, the agency’s rules prohibit statements that are accurate and highly relevant to consumers choosing between smoking and vaping. Nicopure, one of the companies that is challenging the FDA’s regulations in federal court, used to tell consumers that in vaping “nothing is burned,” “no smoke is released,” and “no ash” is generated. It also noted that the aerosol produced by e-cigarettes contains “no tar” and only “a fraction of the 4000 chemicals currently found in standard tobacco cigarettes.” Although all of these statements are indisputably true, they are illegal under the FDA’s reading of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

That law gave the FDA authority over tobacco products, a category to which it has arbitrarily assigned tobacco-free e-cigarettes, even when they contain nicotine that is not derived from tobacco or no nicotine at all. The Tobacco Control Act prohibits unapproved “modified risk” claims, including any “explicit or implicit representation that [a] tobacco product or its smoke does not contain or is free of a substance or contains a reduced level of a substance, or presents a reduced exposure to a substance in tobacco smoke.” According to the FDA, that means e-cigarette companies are not allowed to advertise the main advantage of their products. Even describing an e-cigarette as “smokeless” or “smoke-free” is asking for trouble, since “the Agency will evaluate an [e-cigarette] manufacturer’s use of ‘smokeless’ or ‘smoke-free’ (and similar descriptive terms) on a case-by-case basis.”
 

HamburgerBoy

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What kind of a person creates a thread promoting an opinion, and then quotes an entire article directly contradicting said opinion?
 

Joepublic2

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I'll just get it off the black market like I do all my other drugs. No skin off my nose. I'm sure all my weed dealers will have e-juice the week after this goes into effect. You can easily fit 3000 dosages of nicotine HCL into an letter sized envelope and have it look like a regular piece of mail.
 
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Ns1

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That effect will be compounded by the FDA’s requirement that manufacturers obtain its approval for any vaping products they want to keep on the market for longer than two years

gee I wonder how manufacturers are going to get around this one.
 

master_shake_

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Reading that it sounds like they are being lobbied by the tobacco industry.

It's kinda all over the place.
 

woolfe9998

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The FDA's actions with respect to e-cigs will some day be recognized as the biggest public health scandal of the early 21st century. One that will cause millions to die. Too few people are paying attention to it right now to notice. But history will not be kind to these assholes.
 

MrSquished

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I'll be buying a couple spare mods and tanks of my favorite setup before this goes into effect. Thanks to Chantix I went from smoking a pack+ a day for 20 years to smoking maybe 5 cigs. With vaping that went down to zero a day.
 

DrPizza

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I don't think we'll know for sure, but I had noticed numerous times that friends of mine - one the owner of an e-cig store - claimed that there were ZERO health risks. If they would have just said, "far safer," I question if they would have drawn as much attention. Then again, you have the major tobacco companies lobbying. I really doubt that e-cigs are going anywhere; RJ Reynolds, et al, will simply position themselves to corner the market, since they're the ones willing to pay for the required FDA testing to prove any claims.
 

master_shake_

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Truth that e-cigs are not harmless hurts huh?? DFon`t attack me.....attack the article.

The FDA’s censorship and its ban on innovation will discourage smokers from switching to vaping, even though that switch would dramatically reduce the health risks they face.

by their own admission they say vaping is less harmful than smoking.

also

that in vaping “nothing is burned,” “no smoke is released,” and “no ash” is generated. It also noted that the aerosol produced by e-cigarettes contains “no tar” and only “a fraction of the 4000 chemicals currently found in standard tobacco cigarettes.” Although all of these statements are indisputably true, they are illegal under the FDA’s reading of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

it says this is true.

what are you on about?
 

dank69

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FDA house needs cleaning. This and the decision to keep MJ as schedule 1 just shows all they care about is keeping and expanding their budget. The amount of evidence they have to ignore and cherry-pick is anti-vax level.
 

zinfamous

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Truth that e-cigs are not harmless hurts huh?? DFon`t attack me.....attack the article.

I don't think anyone ever thought they were harmless.

what have you been smoking? You've always displayed a strange cognitive backup when it comes to understanding the arguments people are making around here--and I assume in life?
 

zinfamous

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I don't think we'll know for sure, but I had noticed numerous times that friends of mine - one the owner of an e-cig store - claimed that there were ZERO health risks. If they would have just said, "far safer," I question if they would have drawn as much attention. Then again, you have the major tobacco companies lobbying. I really doubt that e-cigs are going anywhere; RJ Reynolds, et al, will simply position themselves to corner the market, since they're the ones willing to pay for the required FDA testing to prove any claims.

RJ Reynolds has been developing their own e-cigs and systems for the last several years. It is known
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Reynolds_Vapor_Company

I mean, LOL

This posturing from RJ Reynolds has been a rather open ploy to use their power and size to bully out the small players without ever having to worry about competition when they are ready to bring their product to market. It's rather insidious, considering that few of them would be able to compete anyway.

Just another turd in the pile of evidence that the FDA is one of the more corrupt, anti-consumer agencies out there. Which is shameful, because they are absolutely necessary, and the cronies that get into those positions know it and exploit it. Your buddy at Smithfield is upset that a non-competitive micro farmer has started raising a small stock of berkshire hogs? Just bloviate about consumer safety with heritage, "non-approved" stocks and shut them down because obviously letting Smithfield's shitty hogs dominate the market is much better for us.
 

SMOGZINN

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Then again, you have the major tobacco companies lobbying. I really doubt that e-cigs are going anywhere; RJ Reynolds, et al, will simply position themselves to corner the market, since they're the ones willing to pay for the required FDA testing to prove any claims.

That is the point of all this. Vaping has become a billion dollar industry that no major corporation controlled. That could not be allowed to stand when just a little government intervention could hand the entire industry to a few major campaign contributors.
 

woolfe9998

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I don't think we'll know for sure, but I had noticed numerous times that friends of mine - one the owner of an e-cig store - claimed that there were ZERO health risks. If they would have just said, "far safer," I question if they would have drawn as much attention. Then again, you have the major tobacco companies lobbying. I really doubt that e-cigs are going anywhere; RJ Reynolds, et al, will simply position themselves to corner the market, since they're the ones willing to pay for the required FDA testing to prove any claims.

Perhaps, but the truth of the matter is that "zero health risks" is a lot closer to the truth than the insinuation that ecigs are like cigarettes. Even the Royal College of Physicians estimate of 5% of cigarette health risk is extremely cautious. The actual toxicology studies are showing carcinogens at ~1/1000 the level in cigs, and that is for the ones that are actually there. Most of the cig carcinogens aren't even there. The dishonesty of the anti-ecig crowd is way more extreme, is fueling this regulatory overreach and is encouraging people to continue smoking.

If the tobacco companies "corner the market" then the market will shrink substantially. They have bought into that segment of the market called "cigalikes" which are over-priced and have a low success rate in convincing people to quit. The e-cigs that work best are those manufactured by small businesses and sold online. All of that will go away.
 

JSt0rm

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people should just quit smoking. Fucking willpower is all thats needed. You will crave cigs for 5 fucking years and thats shit but then it will be over.