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Blair in secret Saudi mission (to sell $70 billion in arms)

conjur

No Lifer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,1579155,00.html
Tony Blair and John Reid, the defence secretary, have been holding secret talks with Saudi Arabia in pursuit of a huge arms deal worth up to £40bn, according to diplomatic sources.

Mr Blair went to Riyadh on July 2, en route to Singapore, where Britain was bidding for the 2012 Olympics. Three weeks later, Mr Reid made a two-day visit, when he sought to persuade Prince Sultan, the crown prince, to re-equip his air force with the Typhoon, the European fighter plane of which the British arms company BAE has the lion's share of manufacturing.

Defence, diplomatic and legal sources say negotiations are stalling because the Saudis are demanding three favours. These are that Britain should expel two anti-Saudi dissidents, Saad al-Faqih and Mohammed al-Masari; that British Airways should resume flights to Riyadh, currently cancelled through terrorism fears; and that a corruption investigation implicating the Saudi ruling family and BAE should be dropped. Crown prince Sultan's son-in-law, Prince Turki bin Nasr, is at the centre of a "slush fund" investigation by the Serious Fraud Office.

The Saudis have been trying for years to get their hands on Mr Faqih, who they say was involved in a plot to assassinate the recently enthroned King Abdullah. Mr Faqih, who has asylum, denies support for violence, and privately neither the Foreign Office nor the security services regard him as a danger to Britain. Mr Masari fled Saudi Arabia in 1994, and the Major government made an unsuccessful attempt to exile him to the Caribbean island of Dominica under pressure from BAE.

The Typhoon, currently entering service with the RAF, has a price of more than £45m a plane. Saudi Arabia previously bought a fleet of its predecessor Tornados from Britain in the Al Yamamah arms deal. Mike Turner, the chief executive of BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, was quoted in Flight International magazine on June 21, just before Mr Blair's Riyadh trip, saying: "The objective is to get the Typhoon into Saudi Arabia. We've had £43bn from Al Yamamah over the last 20 years and there could be another £40bn."

There is concern within the Foreign Office at the apparent partiality of No 10 to BAE's commercial interests. Jonathan Powell, Mr Blair's chief of staff, and his brother Charles, Lady Thatcher's former adviser and now a BAE consultant, are believed to be in favour of the deal.
Well, sure thing there, Prince. We'll ignore your sex-slave, human-trafficking industry. We'll ignore the fact that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from your country. We'll ignore the fact that the majority of the foreign fighters in Iraq are Saudis. We'll ignore all that and gladly send you tens of billions of weapons, fighters, etc. Oh, and we'll ignore the corruption within your nepotistic regime.
 
I'm gathering from your remarks that you want us to crack down on Saudi and get the royal family to step down so that we can better arm our enemies by handing control of the saudi oil fields over to the jihadists, cause you know that would do so much to eliminate terrorism.

Would you rather have Saudi controled by the populace who have fairly heavy support of the Jihadists, Conjur? You know so that instead of all that oil money going to the "nepotistic regime" it goes directly into the hands of Jihadists. You know so instead of having people in charge of all that money and country that are just a bunch of ego maniac monarchs we hand the money directly into the hands of the populace that is generating all those jihadists. Good plan Conjur, why don't we just give Bin ladin nuclear weapons while we are at it.
 
I rather have the royal family stay in power than to see the people of saudi arabia take control.

Saudi Arabia is our friends. The people aren't. The people don't control Saudi Arabia. Our puppets do 🙂
 
What's the big deal?

This happens all the time.

We exchanged F-16s, intelligence and nuclear information/expertise to the Shah of Iran in exchange for a foothold in the Middle East
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
I rather have the royal family stay in power than to see the people of saudi arabia take control.

Saudi Arabia is our friends. The people aren't. The people don't control Saudi Arabia. Our puppets do 🙂

Which is precisely why there is terrorism.
 
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Aimster
I rather have the royal family stay in power than to see the people of saudi arabia take control.

Saudi Arabia is our friends. The people aren't. The people don't control Saudi Arabia. Our puppets do 🙂

Which is precisely why there is terrorism.

That is one reason, but only one reason.
 
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: Aimster
I rather have the royal family stay in power than to see the people of saudi arabia take control.

Saudi Arabia is our friends. The people aren't. The people don't control Saudi Arabia. Our puppets do 🙂

Which is precisely why there is terrorism.


Actually Saudi Arabia and the govt. officials crack down on terrorism all the time.

The problem with Saudi Arabia is that most of the country is foreign.

The real Saudi nationals are wealthy oil rich people who dont want to work so workers are imported. They are spoiled brats.
 
The problem with KSA is that they've financed Islamic extremism since the 1920's, when Saud ascended to power on the strength of arms of those Islamic radicals. It's been a sometimes rocky marriage of convenience ever since, with the royals financing the radicals on the proviso that their efforts be directed out of the country, rather than within. Which was mostly fine with the radicals, given that the internal workings of the KSA are pretty much along the lines of the Ninth century Islamic Caliphate, anyway....

The whole western notion of what's corruption and what's not is pretty much lost on a family that rules legally on the sole basis of Divine Right, anyway... Within that context, corruption is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms.... democracy would be corruption within their moral framework...
 
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
What's the big deal?

This happens all the time.

We exchanged F-16s, intelligence and nuclear information/expertise to the Shah of Iran in exchange for a foothold in the Middle East
And you don't see the problems that caused?
 
Originally posted by: rahvin
I'm gathering from your remarks that you want us to crack down on Saudi and get the royal family to step down so that we can better arm our enemies by handing control of the saudi oil fields over to the jihadists, cause you know that would do so much to eliminate terrorism.

Would you rather have Saudi controled by the populace who have fairly heavy support of the Jihadists, Conjur? You know so that instead of all that oil money going to the "nepotistic regime" it goes directly into the hands of Jihadists. You know so instead of having people in charge of all that money and country that are just a bunch of ego maniac monarchs we hand the money directly into the hands of the populace that is generating all those jihadists. Good plan Conjur, why don't we just give Bin ladin nuclear weapons while we are at it.
"You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor, and it would have different conclusions written on it that you could JUMP TO."
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
What's the big deal?

This happens all the time.

We exchanged F-16s, intelligence and nuclear information/expertise to the Shah of Iran in exchange for a foothold in the Middle East
And you don't see the problems that caused?

It was clear the Shah was going to fall before he did. The U.S just didn't do anything about it because they didn't believe ther own predictions.

There are no signs the Saudi regime is going to collapse.
 
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