Blair had secret meetings with Clinton

[Moonbeam]

OMG, spare me your lame ass rhetoric. The man holds degrees from Yale and Harvard....you? I'm not saying he's the smartest guy around, but he definitely not as bad as the decidedly liberal media portays him to be.
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Now that hurt my feelings, Thraxen. I was just trying to top etech in lame ass rhetoric. Are you saying I won. That's different, of course. In that case, thanks.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: cpumaster

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,3605,943148,00.html

Through out the campaign to get votes in through the UN, Blair had meetings with Clinton to talk about the political situation between Europe and the US.

Despite what you may think of the man's morals, he is a masterful politician and very intelligent political analyst and it says volumes when Tony Blair asks for his advice.

If a sleeze like Clinton can get reelected than he does know that part of the political process. That of course says nothing about the validity of his policies or his effectiveness once he is in office.

Under his policies minorities flourished in the states, they had better education, better housing.

Internationally, he was the most respected president since Kennedy very popular with world leaders and respected immensely by then young upstart prime minister of Britain, Tony Blair.

His sound economic policies allowed for the boom of late 90's, he wasnt directly responsible for it but neither did he stop it... under him federal spending was under control and he had the biggest surplus in the nation's history.

Sounds pretty effective to me.

of course his downfal is he is not hawkish enough to the neo-con, not to mention he is also getting "some" while most of the old neo-con crowd could even get theirs to stand up...

I dont know... those neo cons leaders were pretty sleazy themselves.

Remember House speaker Newt Gingrinch who was suppose to lead the "Republican Revolution" or whatever? One of the reasons why he resigned was because he was having a affair with a women on the house's payroll too (i bet he paid well for sex too ).

Then the next speaker, Henry Hyde, resigned because of his relationship with another married women... surfaced.

I still dont get why Republicans were quick to crucify Clinton for some innocent fellatio but not their one of their own for family breaking level extramarridal affairs? Double standards?

 

[etech]

I dont know... those neo cons leaders were pretty sleazy themselves.

Remember House speaker Newt Gingrinch who was suppose to lead the "Republican Revolution" or whatever? One of the reasons why he resigned was because he was having a affair with a women on the house's payroll too (i bet he paid well for sex too ).

Then the next speaker, Henry Hyde, resigned because of his relationship with another married women... surfaced.

I still dont get why Republicans were quick to crucify Clinton for some innocent fellatio but not their one of their own for family breaking level extramarridal affairs? Double standards?

double standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned. Clinton? Lied to a grand jury.

 

[Red Dawn]

ouble standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned.

If they hadn't of been such hypocrites they wouldn't of had too

 

[Moonbeam]

What honorable man waits till his faults are brought to light. Those jokers would have lied too if put under oath if there were no evidence that could be brought against them. Why would they not. How hard is it for a great man like a successful politician to say to himself that the sins of his pants are of little relevance to his greatness as a man in the world?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

ouble standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned.

If they hadn't of been such hypocrites they wouldn't of had too

They were, they did resign and Clinton did what? Deny that a bj is sex.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

ouble standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned.

If they hadn't of been such hypocrites they wouldn't of had too

They were, they did resign and Clinton did what? Deny that a bj is sex.

Hahaha it was gutter politics supported by Yellow Partisan Journalism (the Drudge report is aptly named) that made him have to defend himself. Those Hypocrites who resigend were victims of their own folly. Frankly I thought the venomous partisan politics played by the Petty Politicians of the right in debacles like Elian Gonzales was much more despicable than Clinton getting head from some fat intern.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: etech

I dont know... those neo cons leaders were pretty sleazy themselves.

Remember House speaker Newt Gingrinch who was suppose to lead the "Republican Revolution" or whatever? One of the reasons why he resigned was because he was having a affair with a women on the house's payroll too (i bet he paid well for sex too ).

Then the next speaker, Henry Hyde, resigned because of his relationship with another married women... surfaced.

I still dont get why Republicans were quick to crucify Clinton for some innocent fellatio but not their one of their own for family breaking level extramarridal affairs? Double standards?

double standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned. Clinton? Lied to a grand jury.

Why should Clinton resign because the very same people out to get him fell under their own holy-than-thou microscope?

 

[RigorousT]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Why should Clinton resign because the very same people out to get him fell under their own holy-than-thou microscope?

Uh, because they answer to the public, not to each other... That slaps on a whole higher standard of ethics. I'm not going to say the President of the United States can quietly acquiesce, resign, and spare millions of parents from having to explain to their kids what 'is' is. I'm not going to single out any party because we all know they're both corrupt to a certain extent... we call it politics and turn the other cheek until the crap hits the fan.

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Under his policies minorities flourished in the states, they had better education, better housing.
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His sound economic policies allowed for the boom of late 90's, he wasnt directly responsible for it but neither did he stop it...

It's a wonder the guy got anything done with a Republican Congress... Maybe, as you said, he actually wasn't completely and directly responsible for all that prosperity. I'm not knocking the guy, just putting the facts out there that everyone seems to conveniently overlook. Yeah, they were good years, but the economy has a way of bouncing up and down relative to many broad factors that are almost incomprehensable... Domestic policy, security, foreign investments, GNP, foreign markets, domestic markets, and a whole other vocabulary of words invented just for throwing econ majors for a loop.

 

[Red Dawn]

Clinton out Repuplicaned the Republicans. The UC's are still upset because he made them his bitch . He did to them what he did to Monica. Gore made a major blunder by not riding on his coat tails. If he would of had Clinton Campaign for him he would have won easily with a landslide.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The man was an idiot. Plain and simple.

You speak volumes in mere sentences. Oh wait that isn't you. Ok, I don't have the time or the patience to teach you the basics but I will point you in the right direction. You need to look up fallacies (do a google) pay close attention to the Ad hominem attack. At least if you do this you won't sound like a first grader attempting to formulate arguments.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I give Clinton the credit of being a smooth talking political smoozer that can normally talk people of average or below average intellect into his way of thinking..

If that were true he wo7uld have been able to sway you into supporting him. Really Bubba, you give yourself too much credit.

I'm not the one on here who voted for him...

Yes but you fgall into the demographic that you claimed supported Clinton!

Did not know I fell into the category Stupid liberal with a chip on my shoulder...nope, sorry try again

Ok on an intelligence scale of 1-10 I give that rebuttal a 1 simply because I do not want to sound ignorant in giving you a score lower than the scale. Take a look at the political spectrum some time, and attempt to find out what each level believes instead of what other people tell you to believe. I swear, if I could just hear a few intelligently formulated arguments on here every once in a while...

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: etech

I dont know... those neo cons leaders were pretty sleazy themselves.

Remember House speaker Newt Gingrinch who was suppose to lead the "Republican Revolution" or whatever? One of the reasons why he resigned was because he was having a affair with a women on the house's payroll too (i bet he paid well for sex too ).

Then the next speaker, Henry Hyde, resigned because of his relationship with another married women... surfaced.

I still dont get why Republicans were quick to crucify Clinton for some innocent fellatio but not their one of their own for family breaking level extramarridal affairs? Double standards?

double standards? When their faults were brought to light they did the honorable thing and resigned. Clinton? Lied to a grand jury.

Lying under oath was deplorable, I will give you that, but you must ask yourself why he was in that position? Now lets see...hmmm.. could it possible be the great unwashed like nothing better than a scandal? Why was he taken to court? Why did the media make it into such a huge affair? (pardon the pun) sensationalism, plain and simple. Thousands of men cheat on their wives every year, I certainly don't condone that, however they are not taken to court, you never hear about them. A president does it and it's all you hear about... Now, I know this is going to be pushing the bounds of your ability here, but try just TRY and I will be pleased with you, if Clinton would have resigned who would have been president, and an incumbant in the next election? Thats right Gore! You would want clinton to resign because he broke Gods law, and have Gore leading the country? OOOh what are you going to do? Make a choice, maybe this will serve to blur hindsight a bit...