Blair falls into line with Bush view on global warming

glenn1

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Needless to say, Kyoto was effectively DOA when the U.S. Senate made it clear that it didn't have a snowball's chance of passage. We'll see if the other signatories continue to give it lip service, or in some cases even make an effort at achieving their goals under the agreement (Canada might be one that follows through).

My own opinion? While well-intentioned, Kyoto and similar efforts fly in the face of man's natural instincts and material progress. We're more likely to have an environmental breakthrough (such as a clean power source) when we maximize econonic production, than by artificially limiting it. The opportunity costs which Kyoto would have involved would probably look great on paper to a bureucrat in Brussels, but when the rubber hits the road when there are economic costs involved, people scream bloody murder (witness both the near uprising over gasoline costs here in the U.S., or the election stalemate chosen by Germany rather than institute the slightest hint of Thatcher-style market reforms).

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Blair falls into line with Bush view on global warming

Tony Blair has admitted that he is changing his views on combating global warming to mirror those of President Bush - and oppose negotiating international treaties such as the Kyoto Protocol.

His admission, which has outraged environmentalists on both sides of the Atlantic, flies in the face of his promises made in the past two years and undermines the agreement he masterminded at this summer's Gleneagles Summit. And it endangers talks that opened in Ottawa this weekend on a new treaty to combat climate change.

The U-turn will inevitably bring accusations that he has, once again, sold out to Mr Bush, just at the time that the US President is coming under unprecedented pressure to change his policy in the wake of hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Last week the UK Government's chief scientific advisor, Sir David King, said that global warming might have increased their severity.

Over the past two years Mr Blair has consistently claimed global leadership in tackling what he described as "long term, the single most important issue we face as a global community" and has stressed that it "can only properly be addressed through international agreements". President Bush repeatedly expressed anger at his position.

Sharing a platform with the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, in New York this month, Mr Blair confessed: "Probably I'm changing my thinking about this", adding that he hoped the world's nations would "not negotiate international treaties".

This contradicts his assertion in a speech a year ago - which drew a private rebuke from the Bush administration - that "a problem that is global in cause and scope can only be fully addressed through international agreement".

It also denies what his ministers claimed to be his main achievement on global warming at Gleneagles. He had succeeded in getting all the leaders except Mr Bush to sign up to negotiating a successor to the Kyoto treaty, and in arranging a meeting between the G8 and leading developing countries to discuss it.

But instead of endorsing agreed limits on the pollution that causes climate change, Mr Blair told this month's meeting at the Clinton Global Initiative that he was putting his faith in "developing science and technology" - precisely Mr Bush's position.

He justified his change of heart by saying that countries would not negotiate environmental treaties that cut their growth or consumption - another of the President's main contentions. But in another speech last April he said it was "quite false" to suppose that environmental protection would inhibit growth.

Last night, Tony Juniper, executive director of Friends of the Earth, called the Prime Minister's volte-face "unbelievable": "Having failed to practise what he preaches, he is now changing his preaching to match his practice."
 

sandorski

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Kyoto isn't about limiting economic production artificially or otherwise. It is about reducing Greenhouse gases. Subtle yet significant difference.
 

5LiterMustang

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Kyoto isn't about limiting economic production artificially or otherwise. It is about reducing Greenhouse gases. Subtle yet significant difference.

You dont believe that line of crap do you?

Kyoto is about punishing the United States, it basically tries to hamstring our economy while not doing a F'in thing about the real polluters the polluters in India and Asia. Good for blair its about time someone woke up other than the US. I'm all about reducing emissions and finding clean energy but kyoto was a joke.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: sandorski
Kyoto isn't about limiting economic production artificially or otherwise. It is about reducing Greenhouse gases. Subtle yet significant difference.

You dont believe that line of crap do you?

Kyoto is about punishing the United States, it basically tries to hamstring our economy while not doing a F'in thing about the real polluters the polluters in India and Asia. Good for blair its about time someone woke up other than the US. I'm all about reducing emissions and finding clean energy but kyoto was a joke.

Where in the Kyoto agreement does it require any kind of limiting of Economic Production? I'll save you the time: Nowhere!
 

JacobJ

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: sandorski
Kyoto isn't about limiting economic production artificially or otherwise. It is about reducing Greenhouse gases. Subtle yet significant difference.

You dont believe that line of crap do you?

Kyoto is about punishing the United States, it basically tries to hamstring our economy while not doing a F'in thing about the real polluters the polluters in India and Asia. Good for blair its about time someone woke up other than the US. I'm all about reducing emissions and finding clean energy but kyoto was a joke.
Portland oregons economy has BOOMED all the while becoming more envirnmentally friendly and significantly reducing its output of greenhouse gasses. The notion that following the kyoto protocols would have significantly hurt our economy is flat out wrong. Period. End of story. The golden nacho. The String Cheese That Knows All.
 

CanOWorms

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It's good that he has taken a progressive stance on it. Kyoto would not have solved any climate change problems. Kyoto is nothing more than an anti-environmental plot made to placate overtly-religious Kyotoists and secretly promote colonialism.
 

chcarnage

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What a wind egg. Blair must be in more political troubles than I can see from here? I mean, badmouthing a contract that was ratified while he was Prime Minister? Sheesh... Sad to see him join the lines of the do-nothings ("We'll do more science! And wait! And hope!") :(

In the meantime, what has happened with the US/Australia-led climate coalition? Nothing I guess?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: sandorski
Kyoto isn't about limiting economic production artificially or otherwise. It is about reducing Greenhouse gases. Subtle yet significant difference.

You dont believe that line of crap do you?

Kyoto is about punishing the United States, it basically tries to hamstring our economy while not doing a F'in thing about the real polluters the polluters in India and Asia. Good for blair its about time someone woke up other than the US. I'm all about reducing emissions and finding clean energy but kyoto was a joke.

Yep, I believe Ford and GM are getting "punished" right now.