'blad and kodak drop 50 MP beast

[ElFenix]

canon 1Ds forum trolls scream, OMG WHAT IS CANON'S RESPONSE THEY ARE ABANDONING THE PROFESSIONAL MARKET!

 

[rivan]

More pixels = good, but we're very much hitting the the point of diminishing returns in most segments, including the professional market.

Your average snapshot printed at 4x6 is just fine at 4 mp.

For print, a 10-12 mp RAW is just fine for use in 99% of cases.

50 mp is overkill in most applications.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rivan
More pixels = good, but we're very much hitting the the point of diminishing returns in most segments, including the professional market.

Your average snapshot printed at 4x6 is just fine at 4 mp.

For print, a 10-12 mp RAW is just fine for use in 99% of cases.

50 mp is overkill in most applications.

i don't think you understand the target market for this camera :laugh:

it's replacing a 39 MP, $34,000 camera. for the few situations where it is worthwhile, it is very worthwhile.

this 50 MP sensor is twice the size of the 'full frame' sensors most forum people gush over so much.

it's about as far from the 'average snapshot' as you can get outside of a view camera or the hubble space telescope

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rivan
More pixels = good, but we're very much hitting the the point of diminishing returns in most segments, including the professional market.

Your average snapshot printed at 4x6 is just fine at 4 mp.

For print, a 10-12 mp RAW is just fine for use in 99% of cases.

50 mp is overkill in most applications.

it's replacing a $34,000 camera. for the few situations where it is worthwhile, it is very worthwhile.

this 50 MP sensor is twice the size of the 'full frame' sensors most forum people gush over so much.

I'll agree with your statement that it'll likely excel at the times it's called for. That just won't be very often. To the name of your link, however, Canon and Hasselblad aren't really competing for the same images or audience, even within the 'professional' market.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rivan

I'll agree with your statement that it'll likely excel at the times it's called for. That just won't be very often. To the name of your link, however, Canon and Hasselblad aren't really competing for the same images or audience, even within the 'professional' market.

the canon forum troll comment was making fun of the canon forum trolls more than making a comparison between the intended audience, though i will observe that the 1Ds, at least up until someone actually uses sony's 24 mp sensor that they vaporwared us with a year ago, has only digital MF as competition for sheer resolution


the canon forum trolls (on dpreview and i'm sure elsewhere) have been screaming that the sky is falling ever since nikon announced the D3/D300. it got worse last week.

 

[rivan]

Ah, I don't do much on forums outside AT and sporadically POTN. I get easily sick of the "sky is falling" discussions - one of the reasons I avoid certain forums here

I can imagine the Canon heads getting worked up - Canon has been a little lazy with their FF updates - resting on their lead like nVidia had been for a little too long.

I own a 30D and am happy to see Nikon doing something to push Canon a little.

All that said, if budget were no object, I'd probably buy a Hasselblad over Canon hoping better equipment would help hide my flaws as a photographer

 

[yllus]

What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: yllus
What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

Yes. Super high end product photography and/or portraiture, generally for large reproduction.

Full body shots for standees (the life-size die cut people) don't HAVE to be that high res, but they DO look a little better when they are; they're a little bit crisper, a little bit sharper... nothing most people would notice outright but still better.

That said, they've been making that stuff for years without 50 mp sensors.

edit: There are LOTS of applications for a nice lens with a 50 mp sensor behind it - those are just the ones I can think of that would actually make it financially feasible at $40k per system.

 

[soydios]

50MP is getting just about right for this target market, it's roughly equivalent to the resolution of Velvia 50 or slide film. 135 format Velvia 50 is roughly equal to a 22MP camera, give or take a few million pixels, so 645 format Velvia stands to be double that.

Hasselblads are used for the really critical photography assignments where portability is still necessary and large-format is overkill. Things like landscape shots (including those from the moon), and product photography. For example, the Nikon D3 product photos were not photographed with another D3, but instead a Phase One digital back. The camera company knew to use a medium format camera for product photos instead of small format 35mm.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: soydios
50MP is getting just about right for this target market, it's roughly equivalent to the resolution of Velvia 50 or slide film. 135 format Velvia 50 is roughly equal to a 22MP camera, give or take a few million pixels, so 645 format Velvia stands to be double that.

Hasselblads are used for the really critical photography assignments where portability is still necessary and large-format is overkill. Things like landscape shots (including those from the moon), and product photography. For example, the Nikon D3 product photos were not photographed with another D3, but instead a Phase One digital back. The camera company knew to use a medium format camera for product photos instead of small format 35mm.

I would argue that a D3 would do a peachy job of photographing a D3. Depending on the image's final reproduction intent, a Phase One capture might be better, but I'll stand by my '99%' of the times that image is used, there will be zero improvement over a D3 capture, assuming all other factors are equal (skill of photographer being prime among them).

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: rivan

Originally posted by: soydios
50MP is getting just about right for this target market, it's roughly equivalent to the resolution of Velvia 50 or slide film. 135 format Velvia 50 is roughly equal to a 22MP camera, give or take a few million pixels, so 645 format Velvia stands to be double that.

Hasselblads are used for the really critical photography assignments where portability is still necessary and large-format is overkill. Things like landscape shots (including those from the moon), and product photography. For example, the Nikon D3 product photos were not photographed with another D3, but instead a Phase One digital back. The camera company knew to use a medium format camera for product photos instead of small format 35mm.

I would argue that a D3 would do a peachy job of photographing a D3. Depending on the image's final reproduction intent, a Phase One capture might be better, but I'll stand by my '99%' of the times that image is used, there will be zero improvement over a D3 capture, assuming all other factors are equal (skill of photographer being prime among them).

Of course at most sizes. But the giant product photos at trade shows and such looks best coming out of a larger-format camera.

Summary: a 50MP medium-format camera is targeting an entirely different market than a 12MP small-format one.
Disclaimer: I really want a D3. I don't really want a Hasselblad. I can't afford either one.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: yllus
What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

Point and shoot snapshots.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: soydios
Summary: a 50MP medium-format camera is targeting an entirely different market than a 12MP small-format one.

I thought we'd covered that

Disclaimer: I really want a D3. I don't really want a Hasselblad. I can't afford either one.

I've got a 30D and some basic glass and it gets me by. When I get to the point of my life where I've got lots of free time (not anytime soon) I'd love to have a medium or large format camera to play with, assuming I can afford it then.

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: yllus
What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

Point and shoot snapshots.

:laugh:

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: soydios
50MP is getting just about right for this target market, it's roughly equivalent to the resolution of Velvia 50 or slide film. 135 format Velvia 50 is roughly equal to a 22MP camera, give or take a few million pixels, so 645 format Velvia stands to be double that.

645 is 3 times the size of 35 mm. this is a MF crop camera because the sensor is only 2x 35 mm.

it's not full frame

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: yllus
What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

Point and shoot snapshots.

Actually, I know a bunch of people who upgrade their DSLR regularly to have the latest-and-greatest, but never actually take it out to shoot. This would be their dream camera.

 

[Alyx]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: yllus
What *is* the target market for this sort of camera? Really enormous billboards/ads on the sides of buildings?

Point and shoot snapshots.

Thats the market for the 40D

 

[jpeyton]

Does this thing play Crysis?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Does this thing play Crysis?

:laugh: