Blackwater Security Helicopter downed in Baghdad, 5 killed

JD50

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High paid Mercenaries, sh!t happens when killing is your business and business is good.
 

EagleKeeper

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4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
 

techs

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Whew. For a minute I thought it was our troops. Now they won't be counted as American casualties.

Wait a minute! I have got an idea! Lets privatize the armed forces. Then no one will care how many die.
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4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
"When we invade Iraq they are going to love us." George Bush
 

getbush

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Are all your attempts this weak or is this a special exception? Not worth responding to your actual comments. I don't like Bush either but that was a dumbass post.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: getbush
Are all your attempts this weak or is this a special exception? Not worth responding to your actual comments. I don't like Bush either but that was a dumbass post.
Just calling it dumbass doesn't say anything. My point was that by privatizing war we no longer treat the casualites as American casualties. And if you had read any of Rummies or the neo-cons political papers you can see that they advocate the use of private armies to make war more palatible to the Americans.

 

getbush

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I know what your point was, and I'm sure everyone is fooled by all of the headlines that basically read "5 Americans killed in Baghdad".
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: getbush
Are all your attempts this weak or is this a special exception? Not worth responding to your actual comments. I don't like Bush either but that was a dumbass post.
Just calling it dumbass doesn't say anything. My point was that by privatizing war we no longer treat the casualites as American casualties. And if you had read any of Rummies or the neo-cons political papers you can see that they advocate the use of private armies to make war more palatible to the Americans.

Maybe you don't treat them as American casualties, but I sure as hell do. Maybe the problem is people like Red Dawn when he says "High paid Mercenaries, sh!t happens when killing is your business and business is good" not treating these as American casualties.

 

techs

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Originally posted by: getbush
I know what your point was, and I'm sure everyone is fooled by all of the headlines that basically read "5 Americans killed in Baghdad".

Well, isn't that what happened?
 

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: getbush
Are all your attempts this weak or is this a special exception? Not worth responding to your actual comments. I don't like Bush either but that was a dumbass post.
Just calling it dumbass doesn't say anything. My point was that by privatizing war we no longer treat the casualites as American casualties. And if you had read any of Rummies or the neo-cons political papers you can see that they advocate the use of private armies to make war more palatible to the Americans.

Maybe you don't treat them as American casualties, but I sure as hell do. Maybe the problem is people like Red Dawn when he says "High paid Mercenaries, sh!t happens when killing is your business and business is good" not treating these as American casualties.
Dead Mercenaries who happen to be Americans. No they shouldn't be held up in the same light as our Soldiers who are there because it's their duty unlike the Mercs who are there for the Big Bucks. These guys are Modern Day Hessians, they profit from war.
 

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A lot of those paid mercenary's are military veterans looking to give their family a leg up financially by taking high paid contract work in Baghdad. They were doing a service for the military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq.
 

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Originally posted by: d3n
A lot of those paid mercenary's are military veterans looking to give their family a leg up financially by taking high paid contract work in Baghdad. They were doing a service for the military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq.
Just like the Hessians did in the American Revolutionary War and Mercenaries did in the war in the Congo during the 60's.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: getbush
I know what your point was, and I'm sure everyone is fooled by all of the headlines that basically read "5 Americans killed in Baghdad".

Well, isn't that what happened?

Yes, exactly, so what the hell is your point? I'm actually not sure everyone was fooled. That was sarcasm.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
I also read the report about being shot in the back of the head, but they also stated that they couldn't prove whether they were dead or not before being shot.

And just remember, according to our own government statements and repeated on this board over and over again, these men have no rights under the Geneva conventions because they are not uniformed member of a recognized country's military. So they can be treated as badly as the US has treated the detainees in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo and we really can't say anything about it.
 

Aimster

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2 helicopters being shot down in a week?

lucky shots?

Wonder what weapon was used. Usually this kind of crap finds it way on one of those horror sites. Insurgents have been known to videotape this stuff and post it on the net.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: Aimster
2 helicopters being shot down in a week?

lucky shots?

Wonder what weapon was used. Usually this kind of crap finds it way on one of those horror sites. Insurgents have been known to videotape this stuff and post it on the net.

The first one was supposedly shot down with a SAM. Not the usual lucky shot with an RPG.
 

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Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
I also read the report about being shot in the back of the head, but they also stated that they couldn't prove whether they were dead or not before being shot.

And just remember, according to our own government statements and repeated on this board over and over again, these men have no rights under the Geneva conventions because they are not uniformed member of a recognized country's military. So they can be treated as badly as the US has treated the detainees in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo and we really can't say anything about it.
How often do Americans stumble upon four wounded Iraqi insurgents and proceed to shoot each one of them in the back of the head? Or perhaps drag their burned corpses through the streets? oh, what's that? We never do those things?!?

But we do play loud music and keep the lights turned on all night... OH THE HORROR!

you are so entirely full of sh*t.
 

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It's possible the pilot, copilot or both were killed by machine gun fire. - in the air, causing the crash
 

techs

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
I also read the report about being shot in the back of the head, but they also stated that they couldn't prove whether they were dead or not before being shot.

And just remember, according to our own government statements and repeated on this board over and over again, these men have no rights under the Geneva conventions because they are not uniformed member of a recognized country's military. So they can be treated as badly as the US has treated the detainees in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo and we really can't say anything about it.
How often do Americans stumble upon four wounded Iraqi insurgents and proceed to shoot each one of them in the back of the head? Or perhaps drag their burned corpses through the streets? oh, what's that? We never do those things?!?

But we do play loud music and keep the lights turned on all night... OH THE HORROR!

you are so entirely full of sh*t.
Well, you can't say we haven't done it. Didn't some American soldiers execute an Iraqi family as revenge for the death of Americans?

 

Aimster

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I was curious about the type of weapons they used because Iran makes some good weapons at taking out helicopters, and other low flying aircraft.

http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/iran-made-misagh2-missile.html

If the insurgents had this then it would pretty much be smoking gun evidence, unless Iran exported it to Syria.
That's why I was shocked that 2 helicopters went down in 1 week, but it could just be from the leftover Iraqi stockpiles and like another poster mentioned, machine gun fire.
 

jimkyser

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: jimkyser
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
4 are stated to be executed via shot in the back of the head per Iraqi officials
I also read the report about being shot in the back of the head, but they also stated that they couldn't prove whether they were dead or not before being shot.

And just remember, according to our own government statements and repeated on this board over and over again, these men have no rights under the Geneva conventions because they are not uniformed member of a recognized country's military. So they can be treated as badly as the US has treated the detainees in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo and we really can't say anything about it.
How often do Americans stumble upon four wounded Iraqi insurgents and proceed to shoot each one of them in the back of the head? Or perhaps drag their burned corpses through the streets? oh, what's that? We never do those things?!?

But we do play loud music and keep the lights turned on all night... OH THE HORROR!

you are so entirely full of sh*t.
No, but they have beat and 'hung' people to death w/o anyone being really punished for their actions. Even trying to cover up the crime by making it look like the guy was on an IV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manadel_al-Jamadi

And they have beat known members of the Iraqi military, who should have been protected under even the narrow Bush-esque interpretation the Geneva conventions, to death. And then gave the perpetrator a whole 60 days of home confinement. OH THE OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF HARD TIME!!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abed_Hamed_Mowhoush

Dragging a corpse through the street or hanging it from a bridge show a complete lack of class, but murder is on an entirely different level. It's far more important how you treat someone when they are alive than how you treat their body after they are dead.

And let's not forget that marine that went into that mosque and was filmed shooting a mortally wounded Iraqi. Remember, he was just faking it so he deserved to die.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: palehorse74

How often do Americans stumble upon four wounded Iraqi insurgents and proceed to shoot each one of them in the back of the head? Or perhaps drag their burned corpses through the streets? oh, what's that? We never do those things?!?

Never, because the soldiers would open fire and kill them all if anyone of them dared to move ( Alot of peeps defended it here also when the US soldier executed the person in that mosque video)

But we do play loud music and keep the lights turned on all night... OH THE HORROR!

you are so entirely full of sh*t

You know you should of listed alot of other things beside's the tunes and lights


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