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blacks in the rest of the world? how do they fare?

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BlahBlahYouToo

Lifer
the other thread got me thinking. i know.... scary.
it got me thinking about black crime here and in other parts of the world.

i thought the problems that plagued blacks in america were unique to america.
we've been taught here in the US that slavery is the reason why african americans are underprivileged.

what about elsewhere? in that other thread, it was 7 blacks in the UK ganging up to kill 1 kid. i had to look over the article several times to make sure it wasn't in the US because crimes like that are common here.

so someone educate me since i'm not familiar with british history/current society/race relations/etc.
were blacks enslaved/mistreated for centuries there as well? causing the entire race to be underprivileged, the youth misguided, etc. like here in america?
do the fathers abandon the baby mama's, leaving the children without a father figure?

i did a little more digging and googling and found a blog post that said the blacks commit crimes at 8.1x the white rate in England.
so what's the reason for this in the UK? serious question, not meant to be racist, but hard to not appear to be since it's a discussion on race.

also, how are blacks looked upon in other countries? is there racism towards blacks? how is there (socioeconomic) status as a collective group?
 
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OP - ask yourself - how many major world wars were started by "black people."

\then ask yourself about the war on Native Americans....
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UberNeuman said:
OP - ask yourself - how many major world wars were started by "black people."

\then ask yourself about the war on Native Americans....
\\then ask to take this P@N...
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How does the world wars take into the history of the black race in the UK?
 
UberNeuman said:
OP - ask yourself - how many major world wars were started by "black people."

\then ask yourself about the war on Native Americans....
\\then ask to take this P@N...
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1. they lack the technology/finances to start a large scale war
2. they're too busy fighting themselves to be involved in a world war
 
OK heres why

so we have the black 'imports' to america on the slave ships. these new slaves were sold out by their brothers and sisters in africa.

the move was strategic to the africans, duping and casting out the 'troublesome' and 'unwanted' drains to society, and sold to the white man and made a buck while theyre at it.

so we have a bunch of people who are considered 'undesireable' by their peers in their homeland.


then as slavery gone on in the US, those who rose up and rebelled for what was right were essentially put down.

and the blacks in america today, are the survivors of such. they have it hard.
 
Black men have committed a wildly disproportionate percentage of all violent crimes since at least the Civil War in the United States. In my own state, MN, only 5.2% of the population is African-American, yet black males commit more than 70% of all major violent felonies.

My own view is that my state's generous public-assistance benefits have contributed to perpetuating the struggle of African-Americans by suppressing employment in the black community. Despite the political liberalism of MN, the disparity in unemployment between whites and blacks is greater in MN than any other state. I attribute this directly to the availability of long-term public assistance benefits that provide a living wage to people who are making no sincere effort to be employed. There is essentially no black middle class in MN, which I blame on our public assistance programs. I believe this socioeconomic depression in the black community contributes to the relatively very high crime rate among black people.

Nationwide, my sense is that the black middle class is smaller than it was prior to the Great Society. While LBJ's programs were no doubt well intentioned (and there's no question black people in the US have endured huge discrimination and resulting hardships), I think they just helped make black people a permanent underclass in the US.
 
We enslaved the entire population of blacks for roughly 350 yrs and struggled the way we did. How many slaves were in Europe during those times? Did Europe go through a "Civil Right's Movement" of their own? They probably have yet to, imo. (not to say it would be as difficult as it was in the US). How many blacks hold any sort of government position in European countries? Cant think of any..
 
i thought part oft he major issues that african americans have had in the USA in the recent past were due to the introduction of drugs in widespread society.

i remember dave chappelle talking about where he grew up, and how crack cocaine completely decimated the neighborhood, destroyed any semblance of positive culture, destroying family units and turning entire areas into essentially a war zone.

i'm not knowledgeable or wise enough to know why crack didnt affect other ethnicities (namely white i guess, since back then asians and hispanics were more of a minority) as harshly, but...?
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Black men have committed a wildly disproportionate percentage of all violent crimes since at least the Civil War in the United States. In my own state, MN, only 5.2% of the population is African-American, yet black males commit more than 70% of all major violent felonies.

My own view is that my state's generous public-assistance benefits have contributed to perpetuating the struggle of African-Americans by suppressing employment in the black community. Despite the political liberalism of MN, the disparity in unemployment between whites and blacks is greater in MN than any other state. I attribute this directly to the availability of long-term public assistance benefits that provide a living wage to people who are making no sincere effort to be employed. There is essentially no black middle class in MN, which I blame on our public assistance programs. I believe this socioeconomic depression in the black community contributes to the relatively very high crime rate among black people.

Nationwide, my sense is that the black middle class is smaller than it was prior to the Great Society. While LBJ's programs were no doubt well intentioned (and there's no question black people in the US have endured huge discrimination and resulting hardships), I think they just helped make black people a permanent underclass in the US.
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I strongly suspect that disproportionate assistance is why native americans are probably the most failed group of all in the United States. They have no employment and gobs of social problems, alcoholism, etc. It's like the more that has been given to them the more they fail.
 
Actually every single race in the world was at one point, a slave to another race.
At one point, there were 800,000 black slaves in America. At another point, there were 4 million estimated white slaves in Africa
Shocker i know, but history class doesn't teach that stuff in schools here, which is stupid cause now blacks all think that their ancestors were the only ones mistreated....think again, all of us have ancestors who were mistreated somewhere in the line. just not in America.

Also to note that Indians and Asians were also slaves here in America during Black slavery, many even worked in the same fields as the blacks. But oh no, only the Blacks deserve recognition right? Well if they taught this stuff in schools better, maybe more would grow up with knowing how things really were. also to note most slaves on average had free room, food..etc and though not free, not all were abused, some lived pretty decently actually depending on their masters.
 
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blacks have 19-21% higher testosterone levels.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741

Blacks in the United States have the highest prostate cancer rate in the world and nearly twice that of whites in the United States. The 2:1 black-to-white ratio in prostate cancer rates is already apparent at age 45 years, the age at which the earliest prostate cancer cases occur. This finding suggests that the factor(s) responsible for the difference in rates occurs, or first occurs, early in life. Testosterone has been hypothesized to play a role in the etiology of prostate cancer, because testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone, are the principal trophic hormones that regulate growth and function of epithelial prostate tissue. This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant. Adjustment by analysis of covariance for time of sampling, age, weight, alcohol use, cigarette smoking, and use of prescription drugs somewhat reduced the differences. After these adjustments were made, blacks had a 15% higher testosterone level and a 13% higher free testosterone level. A 15% difference in circulating testosterone levels could readily explain a twofold difference in prostate cancer risk.
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I'd say they have an uphill battle pretty much all over the world since most outside of Africa are descendants of slaves.

I also heard on NPR the other day that almost all African-Americans have European blood some where in their history. They did DNA analysis on a bunch of black Americans and they have yet to find one that is 100% pure African descent. They were showing that the black/white relations were much more prevalent than previously thought.
It was an interview with Tukufu Zuberi from PBS's History Detectives.
They said it didn't matter about skin tone either. They tested midnight black people and very light black people.
It's just shows that no one is pure anything.
 
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This doesn't explain why blacks commit more crimes than other races in countries outside the US.

Spikesoldier said:
OK heres why

so we have the black 'imports' to america on the slave ships. these new slaves were sold out by their brothers and sisters in africa.

the move was strategic to the africans, duping and casting out the 'troublesome' and 'unwanted' drains to society, and sold to the white man and made a buck while theyre at it.

so we have a bunch of people who are considered 'undesireable' by their peers in their homeland.


then as slavery gone on in the US, those who rose up and rebelled for what was right were essentially put down.

and the blacks in america today, are the survivors of such. they have it hard.
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BlahBlahYouToo said:
This doesn't explain why blacks commit more crimes than other races in countries outside the US.
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we may never know, heck it could be gene related for all we know. maybe the higher testosterone as someone mentioned...but its fair to say in the animal kingdom, some are more violent..etc than their genetic cousins. So maybe nature has some blame.
 
edro said:
I'd say they have an uphill battle pretty much all over the world since most outside of Africa are descendants of slaves.

I also heard on NPR the other day that almost all African-Americans have European blood some where in their history. They did DNA analysis on a bunch of black Americans and they have yet to find one that is 100% pure African descent. They were showing that the black/white relations were much more prevalent than previously thought.
It was an interview with Tukufu Zuberi from PBS's History Detectives.
They said it didn't matter about skin tone either. They tested midnight black people and very light black people.
It's just shows that no one is pure anything.
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Hidden Gem, I wish I could catch it on TV more often. The PBS station in SA doesn't play it as often as WOSU.. 🙁
 
Doppel said:
I strongly suspect that disproportionate assistance is why native americans are probably the most failed group of all in the United States. They have no employment and gobs of social problems, alcoholism, etc. It's like the more that has been given to them the more they fail.
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I do not go into P&N, but I suspect that this could be the title of a very long thread in there.

MotionMan
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
we've been taught here in the US that slavery is the reason why african americans are underprivileged.
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I haven't been to any other parts of the world recently to comment on the overall thread, but LOL is this the excuse black people are using these days? What a load of horseshit. Yeah, and I'm a lazy underachiever because I grew up lower-middle-class.
 
Beev said:
I haven't been to any other parts of the world recently to comment on the overall thread, but LOL is this the excuse black people are using these days? What a load of horseshit. Yeah, and I'm a lazy underachiever because I grew up lower-middle-class.
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Any alternative explanation is currently considered racist, no?

MotionMan
 
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