Yahoo reports a Blackhawk helicopter crash in Iraq. It's not clear now whether it was shot down or had mechanical failure. Yahoo Story. When I looked at this article it had a posting time 0f 11:47 p.m. PST on November 11.
Blackhawk Down 11:47 p.m. PST 11/6/03
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All six passengers on board dead. Army official suspects it was an RPG. Also another soldier was killed in an ambush. This brings to atleast 30 the number of US soldiers killed since November began.
I think you're right, our people should not have to be there. What's sad is that before we came, Iraq was a third world country with a government that was ugly. When we leave, Iraq will be a third world country with a government that is either ugly or shortly will be ugly. All the human life, the destruction of the Iraqi infrastructure, and the expenditure of (all told) $140 billion will be for naught.
Conservatives! I'm fond of proposing tests for one's view of reality. I just predicted the future. How about you do the same if you oppose my point of view. Place your bets here. The US lacks the skill and resources to govern Iraq successfully.
Conservatives! I'm fond of proposing tests for one's view of reality. I just predicted the future. How about you do the same if you oppose my point of view. Place your bets here. The US lacks the skill and resources to govern Iraq successfully.
Its tough to do any worse than the Iraqi people have.. unless you are going to claim Bush is going to go over there and start slaughtering 10's of thousands of people and dumping them into mass graves. Although, I kind of expect someone to say that soon.
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Prior to the Gulf 1 war, Oraq was the most modernized and democratic of all of the countries in that region
(not counting Isreal - just the Arab and Muslim nations around them)
The only country where women actually were able to perform as people with minimal opression.
The U.S. invoked sanctions (Under UN Charter) ended that, and was soley responsible for Iraq dropping
from a second tier nation on the cusp of becoming a 1st tier nation back to a third world status.
Yes - Iraq under Saddam did invade Kuwait, but the reason was that Kuwait demamded instant payment
with all interest of the entire war debt that had accrued during the Iraq/Iran war that they fought as our
proxy under Reagan as punishment to Iran for the Ayatolla taking over the Iranian government.
The U.S. under Bush had already sent the message that we would not interfere if Iraq went after Kuwait -
it was only after it started and the Bush people examined the impact of the Oil Policies with Kuqait and
Saudi Arabia that the Petro-Powers pushed for the U.S. to force Iraq back out.
(not counting Isreal - just the Arab and Muslim nations around them)
The only country where women actually were able to perform as people with minimal opression.
The U.S. invoked sanctions (Under UN Charter) ended that, and was soley responsible for Iraq dropping
from a second tier nation on the cusp of becoming a 1st tier nation back to a third world status.
Yes - Iraq under Saddam did invade Kuwait, but the reason was that Kuwait demamded instant payment
with all interest of the entire war debt that had accrued during the Iraq/Iran war that they fought as our
proxy under Reagan as punishment to Iran for the Ayatolla taking over the Iranian government.
The U.S. under Bush had already sent the message that we would not interfere if Iraq went after Kuwait -
it was only after it started and the Bush people examined the impact of the Oil Policies with Kuqait and
Saudi Arabia that the Petro-Powers pushed for the U.S. to force Iraq back out.
Most americans don't know this. The media has them brainwashed into thinking Saddam and Iraqis are hellspawn that need to be destroyed. Iraq was never a threat to the US back in the early 1990s and was not a threat to the US before this recent conflict. The US has put its own people in harms way. You can't blame the Iraqis for fighting invaders.
Crimson, I think that 10's of thousands is a slight exageration for the mass graves. Having said that, how many people in the mass graves are there because we encouraged the Shiites to rebel after Gulf I and then hung them out to dry by not supporting them? Now Crims, before you start a rant-o-gram, just answer the question as best you can, then rant on.
Yup, we're just a few steps away from bulldozing houses and ripping up olive groves (assuming Iraqis have olive groves). Now the middle east can watch Israelis on Al Jazeera blowing up Palestinian neighborhoods and in the next segment, the U.S. doing the same in Iraq. Wow, excellent strategy...
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