Black Sabbath sucks

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13Gigatons

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With Black Sabbath preparing for a tour only one thing remained getting Bill Ward signed. Unfortunately Ward wasn't happy with the contract he was being offered. So he decided not to sign.

I made a solemn vow after the last European and Ozzfest concerts that I would never again enter into what was, in my opinion, a totally unsatisfactory contract. I have to stand for something, and as painful as it is, I’m doing it. Earlier in April 2012, I’d been asked to participate “minimally” in the Download festival. I believe I’d been offered no more than three songs to play while another drummer presumably played the rest of the show with Black Sabbath. I was not willing to participate in that offer. I was not prepared to watch another drummer play a Sabbath set, while I was to play only three songs.


I found out about the Birmingham gig on Monday, April 30 through the Internet ad. I was taken aback somewhat by the date, and the fact it was Birmingham. Knowing the “signable” contract negotiations were at best in shreds, I was upset by the idea that the band was going to play Birmingham and play it assumedly without me.
http://www.billward.com/2012/05/statement-on-upcoming-black-sabbath-shows/#more-1428
In retaliation, Black Sabbath has cropped most of the photos on their website, removing Bill Ward from them.

http://www.billward.com/2012/05/statement-on-upcoming-black-sabbath-shows/#more-1428



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Ns1

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On May 15, 2012, Bill Ward posted on his website that "after a final effort to participate in the upcoming Sabbath shows a failure to agree has continued" and that he would not be participating in the reunion shows, but "will remain with an open mind and a position of willingness to negotiate 'signable' terms with Sabbath’s representatives in the future."[152]

On May 18, 2012 Black Sabbath removed photos of Bill Ward from blacksabbath.com by cropping him out.[153]

On May 19, 2012, Geezer Butler released a statement expressing sadness at the loss of Bill Ward. He further unveiled that drummer Tommy Clufetos was rehearsing with them in England.[154]

I feel sad to see the Sabbath reunion becoming a bit of a soap opera on the internet. It has been a very tough year for us as a band, having announced our reunion plans, only for Tony to be diagnosed with lymphoma, leaving us no choice but to postpone the proposed Sabbath tour, and then for Bill to go public on his site about an un-signable contract. None of us knew how Tony was going to respond to his intensive chemo therapy, and radiotherapy. Ozzy and myself flew to England to be with Tony, and on his “good” days, we’d meet at his home studio and put ideas together for the upcoming album, all sitting down together, no drummer involved, just 3 of us quietly putting together ideas. We thought that when we had enough songs together for a full band rehearsal, we’d move back to L.A and put the whole thing together with Bill. Unfortunately, to our surprise, Bill issued a statement on his site saying he’d been offered an un-signable contract. He hadn’t told any one of us he was having contractual problems, and frankly those things are worked out between our representatives, and never between the four of us let alone in public. We had the idea of keeping just one show in this year, hoping that Tony would be well enough for that show, and that things with Bill would be sorted. As you may expect, a one off show at Donnington Festival (Download) costs an absolute fortune to stage, involving over 50 people, transport, air fares, hotels, meals, agents, promotors, accountants, lawyers etc, so none of us, expected to make much money from it- it was a one off Sabbath show for the fans, before we go into recording the new album. Apparently, this wasn’t acceptable to Bill’s representatives, they wanted an amount that was so unrealistic that it seemed to have been a joke. So we resigned ourselves to doing Download without Bill, hoping he’d change his mind and at least make a guest appearance. We started rehearsals a few weeks ago with Tommy Cluefetos, the drummer who will be on the Ozzy and Friends Tour. Brilliant drummer and good bloke. It was decided we’d better do a warm up show, to break the ice since we haven’t played together live. The O2 Academy was available in Birmingham, where we were rehearsing, so we decided on that, and to make a donation to Help For Heroes Charity, since we’d be ironing out any glitches we may have. Then Bill put out a further statement saying he’d been ready to play the Birmingham show , but he was expected to have to do it “for free”- well, I think that’s basically how you raise money from gigs for charity – you play them “for free”.

All I am saying is that there are two sides to everything. I do hope to play with Bill again some day. For whatever reason; it wasn’t meant to be this time. Bill’s made his decision, and I have to respect that. Hopefully this painful year will be worth the wait for the new Sabbath album and end in joy and happiness for all.

Stay frosty,
Geezer

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With Black Sabbath preparing for a tour only one thing remained getting Bill Ward signed. Unfortunately Ward wasn't happy with the contract he was being offered. So he decided not to sign.

In retaliation, Black Sabbath has cropped most of the photos on their website, removing Bill Ward from them.

http://www.billward.com/2012/05/statement-on-upcoming-black-sabbath-shows/#more-1428



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“At the request of Bill Ward, through his attorney, so as to not give the public the wrong impression about his involvement in the current Black Sabbath lineup, we have temporarily removed Bill Ward‘s images from the main pages of the blacksabbath.com official website. In accordance with Bill Ward‘s attorney’s request, we are doing so for the duration of the forthcoming shows.”

No point in spreading false information.
 

edro

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If the photos are promos for the upcoming concert, I can understand the crop.
They don't want to mislead the public.

Sounds like a douchy move though.

Was he just too old to perform? Or was it purely about money?
 

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If the photos are promos for the upcoming concert, I can understand the crop.
They don't want to mislead the public.

Sounds like a douchy move though.

Was he just too old to perform? Or was it purely about money?

All about money.
 

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BLACK SABBATH ??????????????????????????? (moar ?s)

you mean TONY IOMMI's BAND NAMED AFTER OZZY's BAND ?
well wow we have just found out that tony iommi is a wise and beautiful woman-ry singer.. i mean a CUNTry singer. LOL . sorry.

poor bill was always a cool dude. tony's always been scum. i just wish sharon never happened, him n ozzy would still be pals probably. business-wise i mean.

So, what is the lineup now? who's singing?
 
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BLACK SABBATH ??????????????????????????? (moar ?s)

you mean TONY IOMMI's BAND NAMED AFTER OZZY's BAND ?
well wow we have just found out that tony iommi is a wise and beautiful woman-ry singer.. i mean a CUNTry singer. LOL . sorry.

poor bill was always a cool dude. tony's always been scum. i just wish sharon never happened, him n ozzy would still be pals probably. business-wise i mean.

So, what is the lineup now? who's singing?

If Sharon never happened Ozz would be deado_O
 

13Gigatons

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“At the request of Bill Ward, through his attorney, so as to not give the public the wrong impression about his involvement in the current Black Sabbath lineup, we have temporarily removed Bill Ward‘s images from the main pages of the blacksabbath.com official website. In accordance with Bill Ward‘s attorney’s request, we are doing so for the duration of the forthcoming shows.”

No point in spreading false information.


Did not know that....I guess that changes things. :\
 
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i last saw sabbath many moons ago on the second ozzfest (a huge downgrade from the first tour, i went only to see tool). after ozzy mailed in his set, sabbath came out and not only was it pre-recorded, but i think it was directly off the albums :(
 
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