Black Player Covered In Cotton By White Teammates At Little League World Series

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Zorba

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"We" aren't assuming anything. I was replying to your comment saying "Seriously skeptical kids didn’t know." Why are you assuming they did know?
Because of course a 11 year old has all the same knowledge, life experience, and context as middle aged adult, don't you know?

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Captante

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Forget about the kids... :confused:

The adults that were present have no excuse at all for not at BARE minimum putting a stop to the whole thing immediately whatever it was and explaining why it was a problem later.
 
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HomerJS

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No, you and other's are making it into a racist moment.. Plain and simple.. There is nothing to educate them on, as it's a far stretch to sit here and try to spin it as a slam against black people because our history shows they where slaves picking cotton in the fields generations ago, rather than what it is, where kids are messing around putting "fake" hair on a student, having NOTHING to do with history or the past. And it is no where even close to calling a black kid a monkey as you are trying to compare it to (not even in the same multiverse). If that white "cotton" (filling from stuffed animals that you can bet your ass isn't even cotton at all, but most likely polyester) was pink or some other color other than white, and/or it wasn't placed on a black kids head, you wouldn't be here trying to make a non racial moment into a racial moment, and you sure as hell wouldn't be trying to tie it into the same multiverse as calling him a monkey. You would be thinking clowns because of the colors.. but no.. it's white, possibly cotton, on a black kids head, so it can't be done cuz it can be considered racism. Hell everything can be twisted into racism with that logic.

YOU are the product of what I said in my previous post.. It's time You un-condition yourself from looking at every action from a racial prospective looking for anything to claim racism. And don't say you aren't, because you wouldn't have posted this here for us to discuss if you did not think it was racism, you would have seen it for what it was, kids having fun horsing around.. And no, that kid is not humiliated.. Don't get me wrong, we have a serious issue with racism in this country... What these kids are doing isn't one of them. What you are doing, what the article is doing, is actually the racist action. It's taking an innocent action and trying to bring color of the skin into it to turn it into a racial moment when non exists..

Maybe we need to ban kids from being allowed to use cotton or anything resembling cotton. Or better yet, lets ban cotton and cotton balls all together (maybe anything white also) because kids are not being taught how to properly use them when they are having fun, horsing around, being kids and using their imaginations because you know, it may be taken as a racial act by the racist adults looking for ways to claim racism because it's white and possible cotton.

I am curious, since you brought this here to argue about racism, because it's trying to be spun into blacks picking cotton in correlation to when blacks where slaves forced to work in the cotton fields, even though it has NOTHING to do with that; do you consider it racism for any black person to work for a cotton company, picking cotton (driving/running the machinery that harvests it) doing honest work, making an honest wage, racism? you know, cuz when their ancestors where slave's and made to pick cotton in the cotton fields.. Do you consider that racism? Because you know a black person is picking cotton.. Should all blacks be banned from working for cotton companies because of their ancestors? (I know, kind of a stupid and radicicolous right... just as this is about these kids)


In all seriousness, how about we actually start going after the real racial acts rather than the made up ones.

You are an ass. Let’s just let the kid be demeaned and just move on. He surely wasn’t happy about what was happening to him

Notice how I predicted one of the excuses in advance. Oh it wasn’t really cotton.

I guess it’s unreasonable for the adults in the room to be mindful of demeaning behavior. That kid could grow up like other baseball players and have bananas thrown at him but hey, that’s cool. And I’m not making that up. It happens to black athletes.

Finally I don’t blame the kids I blame the adults
 

Zorba

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You are an ass. Let’s just let the kid be demeaned and just move on. He surely wasn’t happy about what was happening to him

Notice how I predicted one of the excuses in advance. Oh it wasn’t really cotton.

I guess it’s unreasonable for the adults in the room to be mindful of demeaning behavior. That kid could grow up like other baseball players and have bananas thrown at him but hey, that’s cool. And I’m not making that up. It happens to black athletes.

Finally I don’t blame the kids I blame the adults
How do you explain the white kids with "cotton" in their hair and the fact that the black kid did not immediately remove it or attempt to make them stop?

Are teachers allowed to give black kids assignments that involve using cotton balls/pum pums, or are they supposed to exclude them from the activities? My daughter had multiple black teachers in daycare that used cotton/poms for craft projects, was the daycare being racist for making the black teachers use cotton? How about build-a-bear employees, can the manager ask a black employee to refill the stuffing bin or to stuff the animals, or should that be reserved for whites and Asians?

How about rice at a wedding? Okay to throw on whites and blacks, but not on Asians?

Is there are old racist tradition of covering blacks in cotton that I am not aware of? I'd agree with you if they had seen a cotton field along the road and made him go out in the field to pick some. But they were literally just putting fuzz on each other's heads (and not just his!).
 

NWRMidnight

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You are an ass. Let’s just let the kid be demeaned and just move on. He surely wasn’t happy about what was happening to him

Notice how I predicted one of the excuses in advance. Oh it wasn’t really cotton.

I guess it’s unreasonable for the adults in the room to be mindful of demeaning behavior. That kid could grow up like other baseball players and have bananas thrown at him but hey, that’s cool. And I’m not making that up. It happens to black athletes.

Finally I don’t blame the kids I blame the adults
OMG! dude they where not being demeaning, they where being kids doing what kids do when horsing around and such. Did you see the other post where it also involved a white kid, and the purpose of it all? Are you just going to ignore it, and continue your conditioned racial manipulation of what took place? I noticed you ignored most of my response because you don't have a way respond without showing just how ridiculous you are being and how you are going out of your way to look for racial actions that do not exist. This is a problem that exist with you, and how you have been conditioned, step back and recognize it.

Here's another question you will avoid: Lets say you are correct, he is unhappy, how do you know it has anything to do with the cotton or what ever it is in his hair? How do you know it isn't because he is being filmed? How do you know it isn't because they had an agreement that if they lost and this was what was agree on? How do you know he didn't get in trouble moments before the filming for something unrelated? How do you know, if he is unhappy, it has anything to do with the actual "fake hair"? You don't, you are making assumptions so you can press the views and narrative you have been conditioned to create.
 
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woolfe9998

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I don't see humiliation in the kid's face. I see what I would describe as a blank expression. Which could mean anything or nothing. It is three still photos. In the video the kid's face is obscured by the broadcast chryon.

What is clear is that he sat there for awhile while they did it. There's of course a photo of a white kid having the same cotton hair treatment, which is supposed to be an homage to a star little leaguer who has a white mohawk. That slams the door shut on whether there could possibly have been racist intent. My guess is if the kid is distressed over this, it is because of the reaction some adults are having. I guess if these kids never had a lesson on race, they're all sure to get one now.

I personally don't think that teaching pre high school kids about racial senstivity is a good thing. Let them see their peers as individuals at that stage. Race essentialism is a bad lesson for pre-teens IMO. Even if a kid does something racially insensitive because he or she doesn't know any better, it's a good chance the child who is supposed to be offended doesn't understand it as insensitive either. Only adults will get into a tizzy. We need to stop dumping our anxieties over race on to them.
 
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ch33zw1z

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"We" aren't assuming anything. I was replying to your comment saying "Seriously skeptical kids didn’t know." Why are you assuming they did know?

you’re assuming they learned it in school. I’m saying that casual racism is learned outside of school, often includes humor as disguise, and is learned early.

so yea, I’m skeptical that 10-12 year olds didn’t know what they’re doing.

kids do dumb shit, but they’re often imitating what they’ve been shown.

I phrased it the way I did because Im open to possibilities and not assuming anything.

learning isn’t limited to a classroom
 

HomerJS

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OMG! dude they where not being demeaning, they where being kids doing what kids do when horsing around and such. Did you see the other post where it also involved a white kid, and the purpose of it all? Are you just going to ignore it, and continue your conditioned racial manipulation of what took place? I noticed you ignored most of my response because you don't have a way respond without showing just how ridiculous you are being and how you are going out of your way to look for racial actions that do not exist. This is a problem that exist with you, and how you have been conditioned, step back and recognize it.

Here's another question you will avoid: Lets say you are correct, he is unhappy, how do you know it has anything to do with the cotton or what ever it is in his hair? How do you know it isn't because he is being filmed? How do you know it isn't because they had an agreement that if they lost and this was what was agree on? How do you know he didn't get in trouble moments before the filming for something unrelated? How do you know, if he is unhappy, it has anything to do with the actual "fake hair"? You don't, you are making assumptions so you can press the views and narrative you have been conditioned to create.

They just won a game in the LLWS. They should all be happy. If you think the expression on that kids face is happiness you never had kids

I don’t give a fuck what the white kids put on their heads. It was out of line for the black kid

If you can’t understand context I won’t try to explain it to you. Once again not intentional by the kids. The adults should have stepped in

If the black kids family posts a response indicating it was cool I will retract what I said about the kid. Still say coach should have stepped in
 

HomerJS

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Part of the statement from the league. If this is what they did I consider that acceptable. I’m still wondering where the hell were the coaches

We are in no way trying to minimize the racial insensitivity of the boys’ actions and apologize for any harm this video has caused. We have spoken to the boys to help educate them on why it was inappropriate — which none of them had realized or understood at the time. They understand it now, providing them a life lesson they will carry forward."
 
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NWRMidnight

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They just won a game in the LLWS. They should all be happy. If you think the expression on that kids face is happiness you never had kids <--------- ( I have 4 grown kids ages 22 to 32.. I have plenty of experience in the parenting department as well as reading people's faces and body language. Something you obviously lack)

I don’t give a fuck what the white kids put on their heads. It was out of line for the black kid <------------------------------------ (YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!!)

If you can’t understand context I won’t try to explain it to you. Once again not intentional by the kids. The adults should have stepped in <-------------- (There is no context of racism, or any wrong doing, other than the context you, and this article have created)

If the black kids family posts a response indicating it was cool I will retract what I said about the kid. Still say coach should have stepped in.
(see my bold additions above)

Thank for proving my point beyond any doubt! YOU are the one making this racist not the actions of the boys.. You have 100% confirmed that YOU are the problem and a shining example of why racism is still rampant in this country.. go read my previous response if you don't understand. (post #28 )
 
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HomerJS

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Thank for proving my point beyond any doubt! YOU are the one making this racist not the actions of the boys.. You have 100% confirmed that YOU are the problem and a shining example of why racism is still rampant in this country.. go read my previous response if you don't understand (post #28 )

In case you didn’t know it there is no history of enslaving white people working in cotton fields for no pay to make others rich They weren’t abused, tortured, raped, killed, etc

I could continue with the explanation of historical context. You should have learned that in school
 
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Moonbeam

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Forget about the kids... :confused:

The adults that were present have no excuse at all for not at BARE minimum putting a stop to the whole thing immediately whatever it was and explaining why it was a problem later.
No, let's not forget about the kids. Young people should be informed that being racist is wrong if they were being racist and if they were not it's adults who should fuck off and not transfer their fear of being racist on people not so infected. Why suggest to kids who do not see the world in terms of race that their actions might suggest to racists that they are too. Fuck racists and fuck the need to make people feel like racists who aren't. There is only one human race and however little sunlight your recent ancestors were exposed to some of us have lighter tones of skin so we could still manufacture vitamin D. Haha, the white supremacists have to cover up to avoid skin cancer in the southern states whereas dark skinned people can live anywhere if they eat enough vitamin D or supplement with pills.
 
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How is putting synthetic toy stuffing on someone's head racist? Oh wait, this is a forum full of woke idiots. So question answered. Nevermind.
 
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woolfe9998

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you’re assuming they learned it in school. I’m saying that casual racism is learned outside of school, often includes humor as disguise, and is learned early.

so yea, I’m skeptical that 10-12 year olds didn’t know what they’re doing.

kids do dumb shit, but they’re often imitating what they’ve been shown.

I phrased it the way I did because Im open to possibilities and not assuming anything.

learning isn’t limited to a classroom

I wouldn't expect kids that age to plan a racist prank with a symbolic message. It's possible, just not that likely.

In any event, there is a link that shows a white kid got the same hair treatment, so it wasn't racist. Just as I thought it likely wasn't.
 
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In case you didn’t know it there is no history of enslaving white people working in cotton fields for no pay to make others rich They weren’t abused, tortured, raped, killed, etc

I could continue with the explanation of historical context. You should have learned that in school

For those who slept thought history class or had their curriculum whitewashed


Nobody has forgotten about the history of slavery in our society. The problem is you are trying to make up a non existent, and completely ridicules connection to kids using cotton balls to simulate hair as racist, or a racist action, and a reminder of slavery, because one of the children was black not giving a fuck about the white kid (your words), and they used cotton, or what appeared to be cotton as the fake hair. So, what you are saying is black people and cotton automatically is considered racist because of the history of this country..

Since you are being ignorant and racist, do you also boycott all products made from cotton.. you know, since cotton and black people, to you, will always be considered racist, no matter the intent behind the combination. History is to be learned from.. not weaponized to continue to keep racism alive, which is exactly what you are doing by turning something into something it is not and making a non existent connection to slavery/racism.
 

HomerJS

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Nobody has forgotten about the history of slavery in our society. The problem is you are trying to make up a non existent, and completely ridicules connection to kids using cotton balls to simulate hair as racist, or a racist action, and a reminder of slavery, because one of the children was black not giving a fuck about the white kid (your words), and they used cotton, or what appeared to be cotton as the fake hair. So, what you are saying is black people and cotton automatically is considered racist because of the history of this country..

Since you are being ignorant and racist, do you also boycott all products made from cotton.. you know, since cotton and black people, to you, will always be considered racist, no matter the intent behind the combination. History is to be learned from.. not weaponized to continue to keep racism alive, which is exactly what you are doing by turning something into something it is not and making a non existent connection to slavery/racism.

You claimed I said cotton is automatically racist. I didn’t

Pasting an unhappy black kids head with cotton balls or looks like is racially insensitive if you have any sense of history. Don’t act like the material is the issue just to avoid the larger point. The league acknowledged this and did what I agree is an acceptable solution.

Educate the kids. Just that simple

I remember when a bunch of white kids in a middle school cafeteria were shouting at the Hispanic kids “build that wall”. Not equating the two but you would just claim harmless hijinks while ignoring the larger context.

Kids might find tar and feathering someone funny because the results look like a chicken. We don’t allow that because it is degrading

If slavery had never existed there is no context and no issue

I can’t understand reasonably intelligent people have no clue about context. Remember when we had to explain to college kids why Antebellum parties are not acceptable. Those people are old enough to to know the historical context yet chose not to
 
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Paratus

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So?

50% of America are like me. But are unwilling to have the hard discussions about race. If that makes me a racist, then so be it.

Yes. White people can be discriminated against. White kids putting cotton balls on a black baseball player is not racism. It may be insensitive... But it's not racism. To say its racism is racism itself. That means white people ONLY think with a racist mind and that is racism. Not that this will 'click' in your mind. So I don't expect you to understand this. You'll just call me names instead. :)

In other news. More racism:

First on CNN: USDA to allocate an additional $550 million to help poor farmers and increase diversity in agriculture careers - CNNPolitics
Your victim hood is amazing.
 

sao123

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this was not racially motivated at all...
Just days before at this very same event, a boy was severely injured after he fell out of a bunk bed and landed on his head and nearly died.
This was likely a reference to the previous event, which was widely known by all the teams in attendance...

404 racism not found.
 

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First, a big thank you to members of this forum who have commented on how this particular incident may looked to the majority of African Americans in this country and around the world.

Because so many Blacks found it appalling, disrespectful and disgusting. But as usual, so many others who thought it perfectly okay believe Black people should simply shut up about such things.

"Too many white folks shrug at blatant racial disparities and conclude that the problem is us and about us. We’re the problem for pointing out injustice and intolerance.

"We’re the problem for tying words and thoughts to harmful actions and policies," wrote Deron Snyder, in an opinion piece in The Grio.

Here's the link: https://thegrio.com/2022/08/24/the-problem-with-black-little-leaguer-getting-cotton-put-in-his-hair/

So, again, to those who think this was wrong and should have never been minimized and were brave enough to speak about it - thank you.
 

ch33zw1z

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I wouldn't expect kids that age to plan a racist prank with a symbolic message. It's possible, just not that likely.

At that age, even imitating, I agree that they are unlikely to see the layers in a racist prank the same way an adult would.

Still, it's the type of racism that can carry itself into adulthood, and then be casually laughed about with the next generation.

It's important to present to the kids that way when necessary.

One more thing though, that I didn't mention, is if these kids have access to the internet and especially gaming, then it's not just casual racism that they can be exposed to at a very young age, but outright blatant racism.

In any event, there is a link that shows a white kid got the same hair treatment, so it wasn't racist. Just as I thought it likely wasn't.

Cool, I leave myself open to new information. My very first post, that you quoted, was after I read the OP's link.

So with new information, my stance can change.

His name is Jarron Lancaster, the star little league player from Hawaii that these kids are trying to imititate. Interesting thing is that Jarron Lancaster is also black. And he's the one who started the trend.


It seems obvious with this context that the kids weren't targeting the black player just because he was black. They weren't targeting him at all it seems!