Black Mesa?
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Jeff7
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If calling repost, link or shens.
In other news, critics also know little to nothing about what's going on there.
IF any black holes are to be produced, they'll have trouble devouring a single proton, as they'd be far smaller, and they'll disintegrate in a fraction of a second anyway. I recall one of the scientists there saying that the odds of anything there destroying the Earth on the lines of winning the lottery every day for three weeks in a row.
In other words, it won't happen.
And let's say they do make a tiny black hole by smashing two protons into each other. Guess what its mass is going to be: that of two protons. It's not going to suddenly suck in the entire planet, any more than two protons would be able to. All that would occur would be an increase in density.
If you could turn the sun into a black hole of the same mass, our orbit would be unaffected. I'd imagine that Earth would just freeze due to the lack of sunlight, and there might be an increase in x-ray radiation, as that's usually the "last hurrah" of matter that might happen to fall into a black hole.
Damn stupid people in the way of progress. Maybe let the scientists, who spent years upon years learning about this stuff, versus these "critics" who likely spent minutes upon minutes learning about the real science, do their jobs.
That MSNBC article linked to something else where a person was concerned about something at Fermilab's Tevatron accelerator producing a supernova, destroying everything within 50 light years. One small problem with that: how would the collision of two particles, even two whole atoms, produce enough power to flood a 50 light year radius with devastating energy? And how would this magically be enough to "convince" all of the matter in Earth to, in turn, convert itself into energy? Matter is generally pretty damn stable. It takes a lot of energy in the first place to cause it to turn to energy.
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Jeff7
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Sounds like that silliness awhile ago about the "dangers" of drinking soda. Is the writer of the blog which started that a doctor? Dietitian? Nope. Here's Wade Meredith's background:
Clearly, this person knows much about medical research, just as a psychology professor is likely to be well-versed in subatomic theory.
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and in other news:
Alice Parker, Ann Pudeator, Martha Corey, Mary Easty, Wilmot Redd, Samuel Wardwell, Mary Parker, and Margaret Scott were all convicted of witchcraft and hanged this morning. The Judge was later heard saying, "We sure showed Satan today we can't be fooled.". When asked how long the trials will continue, the Judge said, "Until all witches are dead and Satan learns his lesson. You seem to be asking a lot of questions. I think you'd better come with me.".
Alice Parker, Ann Pudeator, Martha Corey, Mary Easty, Wilmot Redd, Samuel Wardwell, Mary Parker, and Margaret Scott were all convicted of witchcraft and hanged this morning. The Judge was later heard saying, "We sure showed Satan today we can't be fooled.". When asked how long the trials will continue, the Judge said, "Until all witches are dead and Satan learns his lesson. You seem to be asking a lot of questions. I think you'd better come with me.".
Paul Dixon is a crackpot and not a physicist. He's a psychology professor.
He has a long running thread on Sciforums where his views have been debunked over and over. http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=2607 He has been protesting colliders since 1995.
Walter Wagner is more credible, but still not convincing. I've chatted with him before, his opinion is that the absolute risk is "unknown" so it's best not to proceed at all. He has been protesting collider experiments since the 80s.
Yeah, but with lines like this:
....maybe they'll get confused, think it says erotic, and put some half-naked hotties in the movie!
Bring on the Dark Overlords!! :evil:
Well its a win-win situation.
If everything is fine, WOOT, we will make some scientific discoveries. If planet is destroyed, the Iraq war will be over!
If everything is fine, WOOT, we will make some scientific discoveries. If planet is destroyed, the Iraq war will be over!
DangerAardvark
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I read 10 pages of that thread and can come to one conclusion: Dixon is really some form of BOT. There is never any coherent reply by him; just spam.
It was suggested this was some form of psychological experimentation. I think that's exactly what it is. It has all the earmarks of a computer generated personality. Meanwhile Dixon sits back and laughs at his "genius" while not realizing he has no comprehension of issues at hand.
Many many people have suggested that. I've read the entire 60 some page thread and he does reply a few times and people toy with him a lot. He got really hyped up when they upped Tevatron energies in 2002, literally saying things like, "Thank goodness we're still alive!" Some have even suggested he is doing it as a psychological experiment, but I've seen pictures of him protesting in Batavia outside Tevatron with signs from 1995, so he's not joking. Walter Wagner has also discussed his theories with him. Even Wagner who is a bit strange, doesn't even buy Dixon's theories.
Can I get in on this action, too? I used to own a ferret and I've climbed Mt. Washington 11 times.
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"Oops. Maybe we shouldn't have gone through with this..."
:laugh:
I'd laugh if some micro black hole was created in this whole matter, and somehow continued to grow until it ate the planet. It'd just be a hilarious doom, not much you can do at that point. lol On the other hand... I hope they are able to find some extremely useful info from the LHC.
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Jeff7
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Of course, since it would have mass, couldn't they just contain it somehow? It should stick to matter by way of gravity, or maybe at worst it'd take some kind of magnetic containment vessel. Quick launch it out toward interstellar space while it weighs a few nanograms.
The funny part is, let's say that Earth is consumed by a black hole. It still won't affect the rest of the solar system. Earth will just have appeared to get really really small, but the mass will remain constant.
The BBC probably didn't help any of this by featuring the material on a show called "End Times."
Stupid Walter Wagner and Luis Sancho. They're becoming an obstacle in the path of great science.
But, really. They need to lay off.
But, really. They need to lay off.
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Yep. I read that a few days ago. The thing would have been fully operational a while ago, but they had to redesign the magnet mounts since it was ripping them out of the steel frame during initial testing, before they fully powered it up. If you consider the gigantic scale of the thing, if it went out of control somehow they would have ZERO ability to shut it down. Just turning it off would not correct some unpredictable and bizarre aberration. And during the interview with N.G. they were not happy to discuss any possible uncontrollable reactions, much like the atomic scientists when the first atom bomb was tested.
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