Black market in mini-missiles is everywhere

[BOBDN]

From today's Newark Star Ledger..

"Sooner or later you're going to lose a commercial aircraft," said Jim O'Halloran, editor of Jane's Land-Based Air Defence. "Sooner or later, the terrorists are going to get you. I know it's horrible to say, but let's be realistic about it."

"There's a lesson here in terms of how long weapons systems last," Berrigan said. "They're much more durable than the political alliances we make."

O'Halloran said it might be worth the price. "The cost of losing a 747 with 400 passengers on board would be astronomical," he said.


I agree with the above quotes. As well as the rest of article.

It's time we do something to defend ourselves against this very real threat. The cost of equipping commercial airliners with anti-missile devices is miniscule when compared with the cost of losing a commercial airliner. We need to pursue more long term goals regarding national defence as well as foreign policy.

Your opinions?

 

[freegeeks]

and the eternal question is always "Who is going to pay for this"
we are talking about billions to equip just the US commercial aircraft fleet

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
and the eternal question is always "Who is going to pay for this"
we are talking about billions to equip just the US commercial aircraft fleet

Another eternal question, "Who will pay for the commercial airliners full of passengers that WILL someday be lost?"

And how do you ever pay for the lives lost?

We can find money to spend in Iraq, we can find it to spend at home. The administration loves to tout their committment to "homeland security" as long as they don't have to spend anything on it.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: freegeeks
and the eternal question is always "Who is going to pay for this"
we are talking about billions to equip just the US commercial aircraft fleet

Another eternal question, "Who will pay for the commercial airliners full of passengers that WILL someday be lost?"

And how do you ever pay for the lives lost?

We can find money to spend in Iraq, we can find it to spend at home. The administration loves to tout their committment to "homeland security" as long as they don't have to spend anything on it.

as long as terrorists don't shoot 5 jumbos a month, it isn't going to happen.
simple economics

 

[phillyTIM]

This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

Yea its all bushes fault...

Anyone know the actuall cost of a missle jamming system? Reguardless how many 747s have been shot down my missles?

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

Certainly because he orchestrated 9/11, didn't he? STFU already.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

Yea its all bushes fault...

Anyone know the actuall cost of a missle jamming system? Reguardless how many 747s have been shot down my missles?

An analyst on CNN said that the cost would be in the billions just to equip the US fleet

 

[Corn]

This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

If only we took it up the ass and capitulated to the demands of the terrorists maybe they would leave us alone--they are just "freedom fighters" trying to carve out a better life for themselves. Leave them alone already.

 

[BarneyFife]

From what I've read on that missile case, the US government has flimsy evidence on that guy they arrested. My advice is to only fly in Europe and North America.

 

[Corn]

I do get a certain sense of satisfaction with the mental picture of BOBDN reeling in fear at the prospect of getting on a plane.

Hey, if it's good enough for Bush, it's good enough for BOBDN.

Hey, now maybe BOBDN is onto something here: Bush rides around in bullet/bomb proof limos too. Damn it, that selfish bastard, we should all have our own armor plated limousines too! Bush is the devil!!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Mini Missiles? Dr. Spectra would love it

(obligatory obsure post)

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Certainly because he orchestrated 9/11, didn't he?

Now you are seeing the light What you know you've been trying to avoid; but glad to see you have resigned yourself to the cold reality.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

Yea its all bushes fault...

Anyone know the actuall cost of a missle jamming system? Reguardless how many 747s have been shot down my missles?

An analyst on CNN said that the cost would be in the billions just to equip the US fleet

Fleet of 747s? Huh?

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: freegeeks
and the eternal question is always "Who is going to pay for this"
we are talking about billions to equip just the US commercial aircraft fleet

Another eternal question, "Who will pay for the commercial airliners full of passengers that WILL someday be lost?"

And how do you ever pay for the lives lost?

We can find money to spend in Iraq, we can find it to spend at home. The administration loves to tout their committment to "homeland security" as long as they don't have to spend anything on it.

as long as terrorists don't shoot 5 jumbos a month, it isn't going to happen.
simple economics

So the lives of 400 or so passengers as well as the price of a commercial airliner all come down to the bottom line?
You're a Republican, right?

What about the effect on the nation? Or the airline industry? Travel?

What will you say after the fact? Will everyone start tying yellow ribbons on everything in sight?

Hypocrites.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Certainly because he orchestrated 9/11, didn't he?

Now you are seeing the light What you know you've been trying to avoid; but glad to see you have resigned yourself to the cold reality.

If not orchestrated then complicit in that he allowed it to happen on his watch.

An officer would face court martial for the incompetence that went on in the Bush White House.

Oh, that's right, the buck doesn't stop there.

 

[Corn]

So the lives of 400 or so passengers as well as the price of a commercial airliner all come down to the bottom line?
You're a Republican, right?

LMAO!!!!!Freegeeks is a socalist from Belguim.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn
I do get a certain sense of satisfaction with the mental picture of BOBDN reeling in fear at the prospect of getting on a plane.

Hey, if it's good enough for Bush, it's good enough for BOBDN.

Hey, now maybe BOBDN is onto something here: Bush rides around in bullet/bomb proof limos too. Damn it, that selfish bastard, we should all have our own armor plated limousines too! Bush is the devil!!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!!

Corn does well here, but falls short of the mark. The actual story is that fear sells weapons and defense so the best businesses make both and are naturally owned by Republicans. Republicans make their living off destruction and death, world wide. That is why the war on terror will be unending and why we keep poking on both sides of any divide. Profit. Fear equals profit so you stir the pot.

Now that we understand the ground rules we can understand that some Republican out there has a technology to protect planes from rockets but nobody wants to buy it because of cost. Why buy what you don't need. OK so magnify the need. Very simple. Advertise and create the need. Turn lights from orange to red. Find documents that terrorists are going to shoot down planes. Find a scum bag and have the CIA and FBI run a scam on him. Offer him buyers willing to pay great sums and hand hold him with contacts in Russia to provide the product. Bam, you create your own huge terrorist cell plotting to blow up planes. Keep everybody scared. Get your party to lobby and demand to be able to fly safe and you're in business. Frightened people aren't worried about cost.

Oh and don't forget. Bush and Cantbelieveit Rice have hired an Armageddonist to advise them on the end times. Don't worry about the debt, live now, the end is near. George is going to make it happen. The prefab temple's all been built.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Corn
I do get a certain sense of satisfaction with the mental picture of BOBDN reeling in fear at the prospect of getting on a plane.

Hey, if it's good enough for Bush, it's good enough for BOBDN.

Hey, now maybe BOBDN is onto something here: Bush rides around in bullet/bomb proof limos too. Damn it, that selfish bastard, we should all have our own armor plated limousines too! Bush is the devil!!!!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!!

There is a difference between protecting public transportation from terrorists and protecting a personal limo. I'll take my chances behind the wheel. Let's lessen the threat, something they totally failed to do on 9/11, on commercial aircraft.

Here is an approach that might sway some of the die hard Republicans out there. Another terrorist attack would devastate the economy. Is that worth $1 MILLION per plane?

Even if this is a vast plot to sell missile jamming devices as Moonbeam seems to think, sooner or later someone is going to use one of these weapons against a commercial airliner just as they used commercial airliners as weapons.

I'm not worried about flying anywhere. I don't fly. But I have family that does. Friends too. I'm sure you all do as well.
Problem is some folks live in areas which haven't been affected by terrorism yet. As long as it's kept to the east coast, or more particularly New York, they aren't concerned. My kids live in Manhattan. So do eight million other people.

I'd like to have the Bush administration spend the money necessary to make air travel safe. To secure our ports (which hasn't even begun yet), to lessen the chance of another terrorist attack. Instead of wasting billions on a non-existent threat in Iraq.

Now, you might perceive that as me calling Bush a devil and yellling DIE!!! over and over again but in reality it's just a reasonable request from an American citizen for all American citizens.

Stop playing cowboy-in-chief and wasting time and money. Pay attention to the real threat.

Or all of you will be putting flags up in front of your houses and all over your cars again and tying yellow ribbons around everything.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is a result of that F#CK#R Bush's War on Terrorism - it's creating even more under-the-table threats that are concealed even better than having outright terrorist groups in countries.

BUSH is going to be the death of us; if not millions.

Yea its all bushes fault...

Anyone know the actuall cost of a missle jamming system? Reguardless how many 747s have been shot down my missles?

An analyst on CNN said that the cost would be in the billions just to equip the US fleet

Fleet of 747s? Huh?

all the commercial US aircraft (6000+)

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: BOBDN

Originally posted by: freegeeks
and the eternal question is always "Who is going to pay for this"
we are talking about billions to equip just the US commercial aircraft fleet

Another eternal question, "Who will pay for the commercial airliners full of passengers that WILL someday be lost?"

And how do you ever pay for the lives lost?

We can find money to spend in Iraq, we can find it to spend at home. The administration loves to tout their committment to "homeland security" as long as they don't have to spend anything on it.

as long as terrorists don't shoot 5 jumbos a month, it isn't going to happen.
simple economics

So the lives of 400 or so passengers as well as the price of a commercial airliner all come down to the bottom line?
You're a Republican, right?

What about the effect on the nation? Or the airline industry? Travel?

What will you say after the fact? Will everyone start tying yellow ribbons on everything in sight?

Hypocrites.

I don't know any republicans who live in Belgium
I suggest you read some of my posts in this Forums

 

[Corn]

The actual story is that fear sells weapons and defense so the best businesses make both and are naturally owned by Republicans. Republicans make their living off destruction and death, world wide.

Don't forget that us Republicans also have our own private clean air supply and pristine environment to sustain us after we destroy the earth. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm hungry and need to go eat a few babies for lunch.

 

[BOBDN]

I was replying to this one. Sounds Republican to me. Economics over human life.

Originally posted by: freegeeks


as long as terrorists don't shoot 5 jumbos a month, it isn't going to happen.
simple economics

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: Corn

The actual story is that fear sells weapons and defense so the best businesses make both and are naturally owned by Republicans. Republicans make their living off destruction and death, world wide.

Don't forget that us Republicans also have our own private clean air supply and pristine environment to sustain us after we destroy the earth. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm hungry and need to go eat a few babies for lunch.

I can only surmise you insist on posting ludicrous replies because you're incapable of discussing the issues.

Stop whining about the perception people have of Republicans and stick to the subject.

George Bush has gone off on an adventure in Iraq which is costing $4 BILLION per month along with a $70 BILLION appropriation and another to come while ignoring the real terrorist threat. We can spend hundreds of billions in Iraq on a non-existant threat but not enough to protect our nation.

How do you explain this discrepancy? Why is it OK to spend billions in Iraq but not at home? All we've spent here so far on the war on terror is our liberty.

***EDIT***

typo

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
I was replying to this one. Sounds Republican to me. Economics over human life.

Originally posted by: freegeeks


as long as terrorists don't shoot 5 jumbos a month, it isn't going to happen.
simple economics

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BOBDN

I'm not saying that I'm for or against equiping planes with this technology I'm only saying that it isn't going to happen because what I posted is the reality and not some LaLa land.

The chance that a plane is shot down by such a missile is rather small. Govts. and the airline industry are not going to invest billions to equip all their planes because the threat is just not "real" enough

is my point clear now

btw: IMO you better battle against this kind of terrorism by attacking the root (better arms control etc...). Some of these missiles are so advanced that some flares are not going to help .