Black man taken to jail for sitting in public area

[Londo_Jowo]

The CBD prevents any real understanding

Sorta like your LBD that makes you automatically assume this incident was based on race.

 

[cubby1223]

Pardon me for speaking to you in your handicapped condition. The CBD prevents any real understanding of the word 'significance'.

When I go out on a cloudy day and hear thunder and see water marks on my shirt, I have this horrible suspicion that it's rain. Do I know it's rain? How could I ever know it's really rain unless I asked the place where you have your head. Dear clouds, did you rain on me, or is cubby just pissing with his hose?

I believe what you're trying to say is "No, I do not have any direct information or knowledge pertaining to the phone call made to the police in this incident. All I am capable of doing is providing statistics and possible explanations."

It's nothing to be ashamed of to admit.

You can form reasonable conclusions based on assumptions when 99.99% of the time the current facts support the conclusion. What's the statistic on a stop of a black man being purely motivated by race? 80%? I just pulled that number out of thin air. It's not enough to form a solid conclusion like you can with 99.99%. Now if you had direct information pertaining to the phone call, that will greatly swing the chance it was based on race. And it's a basic part of investigative journalism, which was very lacking in the article written.

And since we are a society who likes to get outraged and harass those who are to blame, let's go that extra step and find out if it was motivated by race, was it on the cop or if it was on the person making the phone call.

 

[pauldun170]

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/29/st_...r_waiting_to_pick_his_kids_up_from_preschool/

“I want to know who you are and what the problem was back there,” a female cop says to Lollie at the start of the video.
“There is no problem, that’s the thing,” he replies.
“So talk to me and let me know who you are and you can be on your way.”

He talked to her calmly.
He explained his version. "there is no problem"
She had no legal standing to demand his identification.

Police state that they were responding to
"A report of uncooperative male refusing to leave"

Video shows cooperative (within his legal rights) male leaving the area.

 

[Moonbeam]

Audio interview with Lollie

http://filterfreeamerika.podbean.com/

Oh shit, the bastard is a punk ass rapper in the music industry trying to use the overworked police to turn himself into a Trayvon Martin victim to gain media attention for his career, playing poor Daddy trying to pick up his kids. No wonder black people can get a break. Assholes like him use race to make everybody a cynic.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe what you're trying to say is "No, I do not have any direct information or knowledge pertaining to the phone call made to the police in this incident. All I am capable of doing is providing statistics and possible explanations."

It's nothing to be ashamed of to admit.

You can form reasonable conclusions based on assumptions when 99.99% of the time the current facts support the conclusion. What's the statistic on a stop of a black man being purely motivated by race? 80%? I just pulled that number out of thin air. It's not enough to form a solid conclusion like you can with 99.99%. Now if you had direct information pertaining to the phone call, that will greatly swing the chance it was based on race. And it's a basic part of investigative journalism, which was very lacking in the article written.

I see you used the % key, which is statistics way of providing significance, so I guess you get my point that you deny significance while using it to try to prove your case. Naughty naughty!

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/29/st_...r_waiting_to_pick_his_kids_up_from_preschool/



He talked to her calmly.
He explained his version. "there is no problem"
She had no legal standing to demand his identification.

I thought the problem was that he was black?

Police state that they were responding to
"A report of uncooperative male refusing to leave"

Video shows cooperative (within his legal rights) male leaving the area.

While he can legally refuse to identify himself. I don't think that doing so can be considered cooperating.

 

[cubby1223]

I see you used the % key, which is statistics way of providing significance, so I guess you get my point that you deny significance while using it to try to prove your case. Naughty naughty!

The key difference is in the addition I made to the post

we are a society who likes to get outraged and harass those who are to blame...

If you walk outside and get wet, you can assume it is from rain. You can also strengthen your conclusions. You can look up to the sky and see cloud cover. You can look around and see wet ground as far as you can see. If you look up and the sky is clear, you might want to hold off on the harassment. You might want to hold off on making the situation worse.

The "journalist" can research the phone call.

 

[Abwx]

A business has every right in the world to ask a black man not to sit in their lobby. But it would be prudent not to mention the reason, racial bigotry.

If he was a white, preferably a cute woman, the guards, seeing that he (she) was doing nothing and seeming lost, would had asked him (her) if they could help in any manner and would had been answered that he was waiting for a child, you can be sure that there would had been no one calling the police and nothing would had happened, now it would be interesting to know how often thoses so called guards called the police because there was an apparently static and unknown person hanging there, be assured that it was the first time that it did happen...

 

[emperus]

It is a VERY bad idea, to behave like that, with the police, however innocent or not, they may be.

Your statement, reminds me of this youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

Showing why it is a very bad idea (in a comedy style) to resist arrest and misbehave in front of police officers.

You sound like someone who doesn't routinely get pulled over for doing nothing illegal.

I'm black, and I've been pulled over at least 7 times and had a gun drawn on me 3 times all for doing nothing illegal at all.

I always just bend over and take it as I understand how thin the line is between going home and getting arrested or seriously hurt. But just because I've learned to take it, doesn't make it right. And maybe it makes me more of a coward than those that don't.

 

[Attic]

2nd officer in video escalated way to far and too quickly FFS. Though cops do this when folks DO NOT COMPLy or otherwise act antagonistic.

Video makes me cringe.

The guy getting arrested is ego tripping and very stupid as well. He went begging for trouble and found it. Congrats! He happens to be black, big deal. Stupidity and ego trippers are not color selective.

To the racists who think this is an issue because he was black, you are worthless and are part of the problem. Knock it off. It's always about race to some types of racists..... Same shit here happens to foolish white people who go looking for trouble and act like this individual did when confronted by the police (personal experience and one time lesson, did not pass go). It's flies on shit scenario, it's just the way it's going to go down if a person of any color acts like the guy in this video and runs into a cop who decides to control the situation.

If this guy is wearing a suit and clearly looks wealthy, I bet it goes differently even if he talks like he does here and tries to assert his control over officers.

 

[Moonbeam]

The key difference is in the addition I made to the post



If you walk outside and get wet, you can assume it is from rain. You can also strengthen your conclusions. You can look up to the sky and see cloud cover. You can look around and see wet ground as far as you can see. If you look up and the sky is clear, you might want to hold off on the harassment. You might want to hold off on making the situation worse.

The "journalist" can research the phone call.

Just because the guy is a rapper doesn't mean he was attempting to gain notoriety as a victim, but I have this bad habit of attributing snake behavior to a snake, rain to thunderclouds, prevarication to conservatives and harassment of blacks to police. All of this is just pattern recognition. No one example automatically falls into its category automatically of with certainty. My comments were addressed to those who wanted to defy percentages with comments like a business has every right to ask anybody to leave. I have the right to fly to the moon, but I forgot to mention it, because, well, it didn't seem likely that it explained much here.

But I'll concede anything you want if you'll get off my back.

 

[cubby1223]

I see you used the % key, which is statistics way of providing significance, so I guess you get my point that you deny significance while using it to try to prove your case. Naughty naughty!

No, I revise my reasonings to why your analogy is wrong.

If you walk outside and are hit by falling rain, you can assume it is rain because you have first-hand knowledge of the sky conditions, of the surrounding conditions.

Someone else makes a statement that "I walked outside and was hit by water," it is insufficient information for someone not at the scene to conclude it was rain. That's where the follow-up questions come in before forming an outraged mob.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

You sound like someone who doesn't routinely get pulled over for doing nothing illegal.

I'm black, and I've been pulled over at least 7 times and had a gun drawn on me 3 times all for doing nothing illegal at all.

I always just bend over and take it as I understand how thin the line is between going home and getting arrested or seriously hurt. But just because I've learned to take it, doesn't make it right. And maybe it makes me more of a coward than those that don't.

Actually a while back, I was stopped a number of times, by the police. A while back in the UK, we use to have breathalyser bags (they are electronic now), which we had to blow into (to check for drunk driving).
I just took it on the chin, was pleasant about it, to them at the time, and after the tests were all negative (at different times), was allowed to carry on with my journey.

I think, a long while ago (many years ago), they use to randomly stop ALL drivers, from time to time (or with the slightest excuse), to do these "drunk driver" tests. Which is what happened to me.

Although what you have just described, is different, I think it amounts to the same thing.
E.g. The UK Police are generally NOT armed, which is why I was not tested, under gun point.

 

[thraashman]

You sound like someone who doesn't routinely get pulled over for doing nothing illegal.

I'm black, and I've been pulled over at least 7 times and had a gun drawn on me 3 times all for doing nothing illegal at all.

I always just bend over and take it as I understand how thin the line is between going home and getting arrested or seriously hurt. But just because I've learned to take it, doesn't make it right. And maybe it makes me more of a coward than those that don't.

You should've just done what Sean Hannity says is the right thing to do and get out of the car without the officer asking you too, telling them that you're armed, and then lift up your shirt to show them the gun at your waist! (I'm really not joking, The Daily Show had video of Hannity claiming this is what he does and that's what people should do)

 

[Moonbeam]

You sound like someone who doesn't routinely get pulled over for doing nothing illegal.

I'm black, and I've been pulled over at least 7 times and had a gun drawn on me 3 times all for doing nothing illegal at all.

I always just bend over and take it as I understand how thin the line is between going home and getting arrested or seriously hurt. But just because I've learned to take it, doesn't make it right. And maybe it makes me more of a coward than those that don't.

Thank you for posting that. An occasional white person of privilege who knows his rights will mouth off to police and wind up dead, unaware of the fact this can happen to them. The answer to this will not come from individual acts of deviance, ultimately, but by the reduction of economic inequality, and in part because it's poor whites that are the biggest bigots.

 

[MrPickins]

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/..._lawyers_question_aggressive_use_of_force.php

Lollie says he was sitting in a chair in the skyway's hallway when a security guard approached him, told him he was in a private area, and threatened to call police if he didn't leave. But Lollie didn't see any signs specifying that the area was employees-only or private in any other way, so he decided to hold tight, confident police would have his back if they showed up.

And that right there is the problem. When security asks you to leave, you leave.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Thank you for posting that. An occasional white person of privilege who knows his rights will mouth off to police and wind up dead, unaware of the fact this can happen to them. The answer to this will not come from individual acts of deviance, ultimately, but by the reduction of economic inequality, and in part because it's poor whites that are the biggest bigots.

Are you a poor white?

 

[Moonbeam]

You should've just done what Sean Hannity says is the right thing to do and get out of the car without the officer asking you too, telling them that you're armed, and then lift up your shirt to show them the gun at your waist! (I'm really not joking, The Daily Show had video of Hannity claiming this is what he does and that's what people should do)

I used to get out of the car when stopped so the officer could see all of me and not fear, but I was told never to get out but stay in the car by those very police. The pretext they used on me, leaving an industrial building late at night, was the funny Ham radioman's license plate on my getaway car.

 

[nehalem256]

And that right there is the problem. When security asks you to leave, you leave.

Be an ass to security guards.

Be an ass to actual police.

Enjoy your tasing!

 

[Moonbeam]

Are you a poor white?

Money is of no importance. I have a fabulous caravan of wealth on its way to me from the desert where every grain of sand contains a universe.

 

[pauldun170]

And that right there is the problem. When security asks you to leave, you leave.

One note:

There are some differences across some of the links.

By the time the police arrived, Lollie said he had already left the spot to go meet his kids by the daycare and expected the officers to disregard the call, since he believed the areas to be public.

vs

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/..._lawyers_question_aggressive_use_of_force.php

Lollie says he was sitting in a chair in the skyway's hallway when a security guard approached him, told him he was in a private area, and threatened to call police if he didn't leave. But Lollie didn't see any signs specifying that the area was employees-only or private in any other way, so he decided to hold tight, confident police would have his back if they showed up..

 

[cubby1223]

Just because the guy is a rapper doesn't mean he was attempting to gain notoriety as a victim, but I have this bad habit of attributing snake behavior to a snake, rain to thunderclouds, prevarication to conservatives and harassment of blacks to police. All of this is just pattern recognition. No one example automatically falls into its category automatically of with certainty. My comments were addressed to those who wanted to defy percentages with comments like a business has every right to ask anybody to leave. I have the right to fly to the moon, but I forgot to mention it, because, well, it didn't seem likely that it explained much here.

But I'll concede anything you want if you'll get off my back.

It sounds like you're saying "let's not form conclusions based on pattern recognition. Let's fill in a few missing pieces first."

 

[Moonbeam]

And that right there is the problem. When security asks you to leave, you leave.

Exactly and you just keep doing that tell Watts happens everywhere, you idiot.

 

[MrPickins]

Exactly and you just keep doing that tell Watts happens everywhere, you idiot.

I'm an idiot for saying that someone should leave private property when asked?

Yes, there is a good chance that he was racially profiled, which is a bad thing. That doesn't mean he should refuse to leave when asked to by a representative of the property owner. We call that trespassing.

I'm not saying a thing about his arrest or the behavior of the police, as I haven't seen the video.

Also, I'm basing my opinion on the statements I have heard. If the additional info provided by pauldun170 is accurate, I will reassess.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yes, there is a good chance that he was racially profiled, which is a bad thing.

What's your basis for assuming this?