Black man guns down white unarmed 16 yr old teen

Zebo

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I never heard of this before imagine that. And white teen didnt even touch him unlike trayvon who beat Zimmerman. Where is brother Sharpton, where is brother Jackson to express their outrage over this atrocity?

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

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Not guilty: The verdict in the manslaughter trial of Roderick Scott. After more than 19 hours of deliberations over two days, a jury acquitted the Greece man in the shooting death of Christopher Cervini, 17, last April.
Cervini's family members say justice wasn't served. They say Christopher was murdered in cold blood, that he'd never been in trouble and Scott acted as judge, jury and executioner.

"The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. "My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered."

Scott says he acted in self defense when he confronted Cervini and two others saying they were stealing from neighbors cars. He told them he had a gun and ordered them to freeze and wait for police.

Scott says he shot Cervini twice when the victim charged toward him yelling he was going to get Scott."
 
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irishScott

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Wonder what Al Sharpton has to say about this. He'll probably try to cry racism anyway, obviously the black man should never have been brought to court. :rolleyes:
 

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Scott says he acted in self defense when he confronted Cervini and two others saying they were stealing from neighbors cars. He told them he had a gun and ordered them to freeze and wait for police.

So he shot some punks breaking into and stealing from peoples cars.

Sounds like a good thing to me.
 

kage69

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Wow.

So no beating occurred, and this kid had no record? Pretty unnatural for someone to charge at another person who is pointing a gun at them, finger on the trigger no doubt. Or maybe he kept it in his pocket or something and they didn't believe him?

I need to read more about this.
 

irishScott

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"The message is that we can all go out and get guns and feel anybody that we feel is threatening us and lie about the fact,” said Jim Cervini, Christopher’s father. "My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered."

This is not a new development. Killing someone and leaving no evidence has been the perfect crime for thousands of years. The simple fact that our system revolves around innocent-until-proven guilty means that in a court of law, in even the most gun-hostile states, murder or manslaughter charges have to be proven. You don't get to preemptively jail someone for 20 years just because they shot someone and claimed self-defense.

But sure enough, people on every media outlet are talking about this in shocked tones. It's like they just discovered the sky is blue.
 

Fenixgoon

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So he shot some punks breaking into and stealing from peoples cars.

Sounds like a good thing to me.

IANAL, but based on what i read in the Zim thread, you are allowed to stop people who are committing a felony.

now, does breaking into a car count as a felony? hell if i know.
 

irishScott

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Wow.

So no beating occurred, and this kid had no record? Pretty unnatural for someone to charge at another person who is pointing a gun at them, finger on the trigger no doubt. Or maybe he kept it in his pocket or something and they didn't believe him?

I need to read more about this.

Depends on the people. You know that Atlanta mall security officer who got some fame for posting vids of his encounters? (Tasering the ghetto mom who tried to beat him) There's one where he had to draw his gun (he has a bunch, can't find the specific link). One woman looked freaked and moved away (a normal reaction). The rest of the idiots around him continued to laugh and taunt him. Ghetto fabulous!
 

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IANAL, but based on what i read in the Zim thread, you are allowed to stop people who are committing a felony.

now, does breaking into a car count as a felony? hell if i know.

Remember these are the same kids that will smash multiple windows of your car to steal a few coins so they bring it on themselves.
 

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a. Old news - from Dec 2009.

b. For a perspective from the other end, please read : Roderick Scott Trial: What’s Wrong with New York? While the emotional reporting is just as one-sided (from the shooter's side), it does have more detail on the teenagers accosted by this guy, and their blood test results, and what they were doing in that yard.

(btw, the date at the top is today's, but the first published date is at the bottom - 21 December 2009)
 

shortylickens

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I meant the media debacle, not the black community as a whole.
Sharpton and Jackson CANT milk this forever. The public will get bored, viewership drops, ratings plummet, sponsors stop paying, it goes off.
 

Triumph

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It would have been a better parallel to the GZ story if the boy had been on his way to get some skittles instead of robbing cars.
 

Fenixgoon

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IANAL, but based on what i read in the Zim thread, you are allowed to stop people who are committing a felony.

now, does breaking into a car count as a felony? hell if i know.

a. Old news - from Dec 2009.

b. For a perspective from the other end, please read : Roderick Scott Trial: What’s Wrong with New York? While the emotional reporting is just as one-sided (from the shooter's side), it does have more detail on the teenagers accosted by this guy, and their blood test results, and what they were doing in that yard.

(btw, the date at the top is today's, but the first published date is at the bottom - 21 December 2009)

Back in April, after an argument with his common-law wife, Scott was asleep on the couch in his home. At 3:00 in the morning he heard a disturbance outside, looked out the window, and saw three teenagers trying to break into his car. Shoving his gun into his waistband, he went outside to see what in hell was going on.

defense of his own property? i fail to see an issue here provided he felt a threat to his life or great bodily harm (especially 3v1).

without knowing much more, good on him (Scott) for defending his own life, property, and community. seems like justice was properly "served" by acquitting him.
 

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I never heard of this before imagine that. And white teen didnt even touch him unlike trayvon who beat Zimmerman. Where is brother Sharpton, where is brother Jackson to express their outrage over this atrocity?
a. Old news - from Dec 2009. b. For a perspective from the other end, please read : Roderick Scott Trial: What’s Wrong with New York? While the emotional reporting is just as one-sided (from the shooter's side), it does have more detail on the teenagers accosted by this guy, and their blood test results, and what they were doing in that yard.

Interesting info that radhaks link provides that wasn't in the link in your OP post Zebo...

There is a clear difference in the two cases other than the color of the victim... apparently the teenager that Roderick shot was engaged in the break in of a car and as far as we know Trayvon wasn't caught in the act of breaking into anything by Zimmerman.

Also was there an extended period of time in which Mr. Scott was just released from the scene of the shooting before protests lead to his arrest as was the case with Zimmerman? The article isn't clear.

Another glaring difference...

Roderick Scott took the stand in his own defense
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oh.. wait maybe I just missed Zimmerman's testimony.

There are enough differences between the two shootings that, imo, the question of

Y U NO OUTRAGE over Mr. Scott's acquittal is kind of (the benefit of the doubt is probably appropriate here) uninformed.


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There were also three teenagers that Mr. Scott encountered.... way different than Mr. Zimmerman's encounter.

a three to one number disadvantage... even if you're a big guy that would give you pause unless you're just a dumbass or can beat up Chuck Norris.



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Zebo

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Nah. Both shoots are legit. Martin was committing battery on Zimmerman he couldnt excape from. Mr Scott was threatened by 3 teens and had to shoot before overwhelmed. Both had threat to life element which is what's needed to be justified.
 

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Nah. Both shoots are legit. Martin was committing battery on Zimmerman he couldnt excape from. Mr Scott was threatened by 3 teens and had to shoot before overwhelmed. Both had threat to life element which is what's needed to be justified.

both verdicts were the same but the reason there are no protests over Mr. Scott is that the circumstances (aside from the color of person shot) were very different.
 

radhak

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Also was there an extended period of time in which Mr. Scott was just released from the scene of the shooting before protests lead to his arrest as was the case with Zimmerman? The article isn't clear.
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No, he was immediately arrested and charged with manslaughter, because NY does not have 'stand your ground' to hide behind.

Nah. Both shoots are legit. Martin was committing battery on Zimmerman he couldnt excape from. Mr Scott was threatened by 3 teens and had to shoot before overwhelmed. Both had threat to life element which is what's needed to be justified.

BS. GZ created a scenario where TM felt he'd better fight back else he was a dead man. GZ was told to stay put because cops were coming over, but he wanted to bag himself a victim so he escalated the situation. Scott on the other hand, called 911, and told the teens that he had done so, and he just wanted them to not leave the place till the cops arrived. One of the teens had prior record and would have gone to jail if caught, so his cousin decided to take control and charged Scott. Twist it as you will, the two cases are chalk and cheese. Not similar at all.
 

Slew Foot

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No, he was immediately arrested and charged with manslaughter, because NY does not have 'stand your ground' to hide behind.



BS. GZ created a scenario where TM felt he'd better fight back else he was a dead man. GZ was told to stay put because cops were coming over, but he wanted to bag himself a victim so he escalated the situation. Scott on the other hand, called 911, and told the teens that he had done so, and he just wanted them to not leave the place till the cops arrived. One of the teens had prior record and would have gone to jail if caught, so his cousin decided to take control and charged Scott. Twist it as you will, the two cases are chalk and cheese. Not similar at all.

Lol. TM was at his house, all he had to do was stay inside and call the cops. But he chose to go out and pound GZ. He deserved that bullet.