Black Man Gunned Down By Police In Ohio Walmart While Shopping For Air Gun

[nehalem256]

I was under the impression that they had mandated the dayglo orange barrel tips on toy guns sold retail.

I also don't understand why a sane individual confronted by police wouldn't just put the toy down. But then I don't understand why people litter in their own neighborhoods and I see it every day.

I'm not sure if a guy waving a air gun around a store qualifies as totally sane.

 

[TerryMathews]

I was under the impression that they had mandated the dayglo orange barrel tips on toy guns sold retail.

I also don't understand why a sane individual confronted by police wouldn't just put the toy down. But then I don't understand why people litter in their own neighborhoods and I see it every day.

It wasn't a toy gun, is the problem.

I'm not commenting on the events at WalMart until the video is out. I do want to say this though, because there's a lot of misunderstanding in this thread:

Airsoft are the "toy" guns. Plastic bbs. Some but not all of them are cosmetically modified to appear toy-like for instance orange tipped barrel.

Air rifles are not toys. They are pneumatic hunting weapons. They are deadly with the right ammo and correct shot placement. Depending on the model some have higher velocities exiting the barrel than 22lr rifles.

Even if the officers knew it was an air rifle they still should have proceeded as though he were brandishing a lethat weapon. He was.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As usual, run with a story without knowing all the information.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ohio-agents-probe-wal-mart-shooting-24883795

It surely doesn't look like a toy.

If he'd been white he wouldn't have been shot. Either that or you conservatards would be foaming about how he had the right to open carry and that the police violated his rights. Shoot a black man? Note how there wasn't even a glimmer of the question. You jumped right onto the conservatard "War on Whites" meme, completely missing the difference between the accusations you point at him and the excuses you'd shower a white with.

That was a shot at the OP who was more interested in the race of the person than the particulars. Now if you want to be a stupid fuck and play "conservatard" or ignore that I personally never said any of what you attribute good luck. Right now you are playing TH except you have a unicorn horn up your ass and looking just as stupid. Come on my "superior" dumbfuck. The facts seem to indicate that someone pointed a something at people that was virtually indistinguishable from a real weapon and didn't put it down when told to do so. That should be enough for anyone regardless of race, but no, and that's why I put in that tidbit for McOwen. You decided to one up retarded and by god you did it. Oh, you can of course refute anything I've posted by doing a search and showing where I thought waving a gun at people was a good idea. Fail in advance. For someone who claims to be so smart you sure are a dope.

Back to ya. Prove me wrong.

 

[Oldgamer]

So you criticize others saying they may be rushing to judgment for lack of information and in the same post determine it is clearly a shoot first and ask questions later situation that the kid had no chance to comply with, even though people there state that he did not drop the weapon when ordered to do so.



http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...-evacuated-after-gusnshots-fired-inside-store



http://wdtn.com/2014/08/06/walmart-shooting-turned-over-to-ohio-ags-office-officers-on-leave/

Yeah the situation sucks but he is the one to blame for his fate from every bit of information available thus far.

Where did I criticize folks? I agreed that the tapes will let us know what really happened, but that doesn't change my opinion as to what really happened. Seriously get a grip..

 

[Knowing]

It wasn't a toy gun, is the problem.

They are pneumatic hunting weapons.

Ahhh, I was overestimating the quality of our press and assuming that by toy they meant airsoft. All of the domestically made/sold airsoft guns I've used have had the orange shrouds. My old air pistol now that I recall did not.

I wasn't aware that they made replica air rifles.

 

[TerryMathews]

Ahhh, I was overestimating the quality of our press and assuming that by toy they meant airsoft. All of the domestically made/sold airsoft guns I've used have had the orange shrouds. My old air pistol now that I recall did not.

I wasn't aware that they made replica air rifles.

They do. They also make CO2-powered semi-auto air rifles and air pistols. I remember seeing a revolver that was 5 or 6 shot. It was dual function, both pellet and BB if I remember right which means it sucks for both but still.

 

[dmcowen674]

That was a shot at the OP who was more interested in the race of the person than the particulars. N

The title is word for word from the article except I did add Ohio

 

[squarecut1]

What were the police supposed to do that they didn't do?

 

[TerryMathews]

What were the police supposed to do that they didn't do?

Check with McOwned first, evidently.

 

[squarecut1]

Next will be a prominent black leader marching in the street protesting, until of course he and his cohorts get their cut

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The title is word for word from the article except I did add Ohio

Apologies then. Still it irks me that their headline race baits. It's sad no matter what, but the events and circumstances are what's important. If race were shown to be a factor then it would be relevant, but that's not how it's being spun.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm surprised no update was given.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5721676

Where are all the pro gun people? Seems like this guy was doing what the gun nutters have been doing and advocating for, that is walking around in public places with a gun. Of course it wasn't a gun though.

If it's not about race then I'm sure we'd have similar examples but with white men getting shot at while walking around, right?

 

[master_shake_]

Looks lime a case of john Wayne cops...

No one will get fired and the family will get a large cash settlement.

 

[blackangst1]

I'm surprised no update was given.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5721676

Where are all the pro gun people? Seems like this guy was doing what the gun nutters have been doing and advocating for, that is walking around in public places with a gun. Of course it wasn't a gun though.

If it's not about race then I'm sure we'd have similar examples but with white men getting shot at while walking around, right?

Im a pro-gun person and to me, based on this and similar reports, this looks like a bad shoot.

 

[TerryMathews]

I'm surprised no update was given.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5721676

Where are all the pro gun people? Seems like this guy was doing what the gun nutters have been doing and advocating for, that is walking around in public places with a gun. Of course it wasn't a gun though.

If it's not about race then I'm sure we'd have similar examples but with white men getting shot at while walking around, right?

Page me when we can watch the video. The link you posted is nothing but self-serving hearsay on the part of the family; it may be true, it may be not but before I crucify two officers I want to see the proof myself.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Apologies then. Still it irks me that their headline race baits. It's sad no matter what, but the events and circumstances are what's important. If race were shown to be a factor then it would be relevant, but that's not how it's being spun.

Quite frankly I for one am getting very tired of all this he said she said...especially the race baiting.....with no proof or when proof is offered it get explained away as not being accurate or real......

I am also getting tired of all the idiots who go online just to search for a article that finds just the opposite....so they can claim that it happens everywhere....

For example...Brown was black and the cop was white...or the victim was white and the cop is black....what`s the sense?? They are all still human beings...

 

[Fern]

It seems to me Walmarts have a lot of shootings. I remember one not too long ago. I googled and here's a lengthy list. Too long to cut-n-paste here.

http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2013-walmart-shooting.html

Then there's the call to police where they're told the guy is pointing a rifle at people in walmart.

I don't think, at this point, this has anything to do with race. I think it's about fearful police who appeared to have been, as is too often the case, too quick to shoot.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

I think it's about race but not about rascist. There seems to be an irrational fear of black men in this country.

White guy walks into chipotle with a gun = a crazy white dude who wants to express his 2nd amendment rights.

A black guy walks around walmart and picks up an object that looks like a gun = shoot first and ask questions later.

That's not racism, that's irrational.

 

[MongGrel]

It seems to me Walmarts have a lot of shootings. I remember one not too long ago. I googled and here's a lengthy list. Too long to cut-n-paste here.

http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2013-walmart-shooting.html

Then there's the call to police where they're told the guy is pointing a rifle at people in walmart.

I don't think, at this point, this has anything to do with race. I think it's about fearful police who appeared to have been, as is too often the case, too quick to shoot.

Fern

I think these days Walmart just has a deal with Dick Cheney.

Something like this is happening, they just use the secret teleporter and he gets another notch as he's a bit bored then he just disappears again.

Just a theory, ya know

 

[Oldgamer]

They had a news report that showed the video and the guy had his back facing the cops and was on his cell phone at the time leaning on the toy gun. He didn't even have much time to respond before the killed him.

News report here

Quote: Surveillance video from an Ohio Walmart shows that a man fatally shot by police earlier this month had his back to officers and was talking on a cell phone, an attorney for the man's family says.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I think it's about race but not about rascist. There seems to be an irrational fear of black men in this country.

White guy walks into chipotle with a gun = a crazy white dude who wants to express his 2nd amendment rights.

A black guy walks around walmart and picks up an object that looks like a gun = shoot first and ask questions later.

That's not racism, that's irrational.

Racism is irrational.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm surprised no update was given.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5721676

Where are all the pro gun people? Seems like this guy was doing what the gun nutters have been doing and advocating for, that is walking around in public places with a gun. Of course it wasn't a gun though.

If it's not about race then I'm sure we'd have similar examples but with white men getting shot at while walking around, right?

They had a news report that showed the video and the guy had his back facing the cops and was on his cell phone at the time leaning on the toy gun. He didn't even have much time to respond before the killed him.

News report here

Quote: Surveillance video from an Ohio Walmart shows that a man fatally shot by police earlier this month had his back to officers and was talking on a cell phone, an attorney for the man's family says.

 

[ivwshane]

Racism is irrational.

True but the reason I said it's not racism is because even black people have said they get a little scared when they see a black man, even though no rationale exists.

 

[Victorian Gray]

True but the reason I said it's not racism is because even black people have said they get a little scared when they see a black man, even though no rationale reasons exists.

I think that's them buying into the larger societal image of blacks in general and black men more specifically. In a way, they are being racist and in an even more irrational manner because it's essentially themselves that they are afraid of.

 

[ivwshane]

I think that's them buying into the larger societal image of blacks in general and black men more specifically. In a way, they are being racist and in an even more irrational manner because it's essentially themselves that they are afraid of.

To me in order to be racist one must believe they are superior to another race, being scared of a particular sex of another race doesn't meet that test.

That's my personal opinion, if you disagree then we will have to agree with our differences of opinion.