Bin Laden email promises major havock.

[Zebo]

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Now can someone help me out here? What's thier point? Already two countries destroyed, leaderships and henchmen killed or imprisoned plus more, They'll probablly have our boot on thier neck for another 5-10 years. Do they want the whole middleast under american command and bombed back to stone age? Because that's what will happen. I really don't get this logic of attacking USA.

 

[Jmman]

I don't really get it either. After we get done with them maybe we can make Saudi Arabia the 51st state, Iran the 52nd etc. That is if there is anything left.........

 

[Ulfwald]

Originally posted by: Zebo Do they want the whole middleast under American command and bombed back to stone age? Because that's what will happen.

Bombing back to the stone age is considered upgrades for most of these countries. Reason being is because once we go in and wipe out the tyranical govenments, and destroy the terror network, we will then turn around and rebuild them, Awarding the rebuilding contracts to private industry who will go over there and provide jobs to the impoverished citizens.

 

[sandorski]

The problem is, IMO, the more Nations the US controls in the Mid-East, the more resentment Bin Laden can use for recruitment and the more opportunities for attacks/targets. He has nothing to lose and the US doesn't have the ability to occupy the whole Mid-East(without the Draft anyway).

 

[jpeyton]

Having the US invade another Muslim country is exactly what bin Laden wants.

Our invasion of Iraq was very beneficial to him not only because he didn't like Saddam's regime, but also because it created thousands of foot soldiers for him worldwide.

But I highly doubt that the US would immediately attack any nation if another terrorist attack were to occur. Afghanistan was an easy target, and Iraq was a litter harder to swallow, but attacking a sovereign nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc., would throw the world into utter chaos (which again could be Osama's goal).

Remember that Osama doesn't belong to any single nation, so he could care less if we invaded another Muslim nation as long as Americans were being killed and his recruitment continued to grow.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The problem is, IMO, the more Nations the US controls in the Mid-East, the more resentment Bin Laden can use for recruitment and the more opportunities for attacks/targets. He has nothing to lose and the US doesn't have the ability to occupy the whole Mid-East(without the Draft anyway).

If something *big* happens you won't need a draft. It would be like WWII again and people would trample one another to get to the recuiters office. Again I don't understand attacking civilians first of all because it makes a nation much more resolute, secondly attacking USA is just nuts because we have unparralled bugets and arms. Seems like slow suicide for all of fundamental islam Bin Laden is practicing. Eventually we'll get him too. He could have stayed in his little corner of the globe with 20 wives 200 children and we would have left him and those like him alone. But nooo, had to launch an unwinable war with an unbeatable foe.

 

[ReiAyanami]

can't believe he is using Al Gore's internet to spread his message

our cargo planes are still too vulnerable [ex: that suspicious fire on the fedex plane two weeks ago]

and i don't see how we can stop a well-concealed shoe bomb, nonetheless whatever nutty cause osama is going for will only backfire by targeting civilians

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Having the US invade another Muslim country is exactly what bin Laden wants.

Our invasion of Iraq was very beneficial to him not only because he didn't like Saddam's regime, but also because it created thousands of foot soldiers for him worldwide.

But I highly doubt that the US would immediately attack any nation if another terrorist attack were to occur. Afghanistan was an easy target, and Iraq was a litter harder to swallow, but attacking a sovereign nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc., would throw the world into utter chaos (which again could be Osama's goal).

Remember that Osama doesn't belong to any single nation, so he could care less if we invaded another Muslim nation as long as Americans were being killed and his recruitment continued to grow.

From everything I've been reading Saudi is they key. They provide the funding idealogy and recruits.

Read this it will blow your mind.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Having the US invade another Muslim country is exactly what bin Laden wants.

Our invasion of Iraq was very beneficial to him not only because he didn't like Saddam's regime, but also because it created thousands of foot soldiers for him worldwide.

But I highly doubt that the US would immediately attack any nation if another terrorist attack were to occur. Afghanistan was an easy target, and Iraq was a litter harder to swallow, but attacking a sovereign nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc., would throw the world into utter chaos (which again could be Osama's goal).

Remember that Osama doesn't belong to any single nation, so he could care less if we invaded another Muslim nation as long as Americans were being killed and his recruitment continued to grow.

From everything I've been reading Saudi is they key. They provide the funding idealogy and recruits.

Read this it will blow your mind.

Here is another link that is less controversial
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

What you're saying is that if we wanted to look for the causes of what's happened -- Al Qaeda and the movement worldwide -- we would have to look to the schools, to the educational system which Saudi Arabia has fostered in the Islamic world?

There is no single cause for something like this. But there are a series of causes, and Saudi Arabia is responsible [for] one of them. In order to have terrorists, in order to have supporters for terrorists, in order to have people who are willing to interpret religion in violent ways, in order to have people who are willing to legitimate crashing yourself into a building and killing 5,000 innocent people, you need particular interpretations of Islam.

Those interpretations of Islam are being propagated out of schools that receive organizational and financial funding from Saudi Arabia. In fact, I would push it further: that these schools would not have existed without Saudi funding. They would not have proliferated across Pakistan and India and Afghanistan without Saudi funding. They would not have had the kind of prowess that they have without Saudi funding, and they would not have trained as many people without Saudi funding.

 

[Zebo]

dahunan- I will read it. But I don't see how it's controversial.. this is an interview with a 20+ year CIA mideast expert.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Zebo
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Now can someone help me out here? What's thier point? Already two countries destroyed, leaderships and henchmen killed or imprisoned plus more, They'll probablly have our boot on thier neck for another 5-10 years. Do they want the whole middleast under american command and bombed back to stone age? Because that's what will happen. I really don't get this logic of attacking USA.

Maybe they want to be the mouse that roared.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
dahunan- I will read it. But I don't see how it's controversial.. this is an interview with a 20+ year CIA mideast expert.

Well, I was talking about your link source.. not the actual content.. some people disregard content based on where it is located NOT ME... I read most everyting on that site the first time it was posted.

 

[Witling]

Zebo said, "Now can someone help me out here? What's thier point? Already two countries destroyed, leaderships and henchmen killed or imprisoned plus more, They'll probablly have our boot on thier neck for another 5-10 years. Do they want the whole middleast under american command and bombed back to stone age? Because that's what will happen. I really don't get this logic of attacking USA."

Alas, all to true, you don't see their point. Al Qaeda is not a national government. If we occupy every Muslim nation in the world, it won't slow al Qaeda down. They're not concerned about us taking out the current Saudi government, they'd like to do it themselves. We're in the position of the 6 foot 8 inch guy in a bar. Somebody hits him in the head with a spitball and he punches out a nearby weak guy. We'll keep punching and they'll keep up the pressure back. How well has swatting these people worked for Israel if you define "well" as being able to live fear-free in your own country.

And, I'll be back on the board in mid-February to point out that there was no major havok during the alloted time.

 

[gaga38]

Originally posted by: Zebo<br
If something *big* happens you won't need a draft. It would be like WWII again and people would trample one another to get to the recuiters office. Again I don't understand attacking civilians first of all because it makes a nation much more resolute, secondly attacking USA is just nuts because we have unparralled bugets and arms. Seems like slow suicide for all of fundamental islam Bin Laden is practicing. Eventually we'll get him too. He could have stayed in his little corner of the globe with 20 wives 200 children and we would have left him and those like him alone. But nooo, had to launch an unwinable war with an unbeatable foe.

eum
with all these unparalled budgets and arms can you tell me where is osama
with all "your" power you didnt achieve the goal of capturing osama
the us are an unbeatable foe if the war is classical, terrorism is quite another game
invading more muslim countries would be the worst idea from the us

 

[arsbanned]

Even if Osama were captured many people would claim it to be an empty accomplishment since [whiney voice]"many other great warriors will take his place!!![/whiney voice]
This is a long-haul struggle, a low intensity war- which will flare up from time to time and whomever attrits the enemy more effectively will eventually win.


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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Having the US invade another Muslim country is exactly what bin Laden wants.

Our invasion of Iraq was very beneficial to him not only because he didn't like Saddam's regime, but also because it created thousands of foot soldiers for him worldwide.

But I highly doubt that the US would immediately attack any nation if another terrorist attack were to occur. Afghanistan was an easy target, and Iraq was a litter harder to swallow, but attacking a sovereign nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc., would throw the world into utter chaos (which again could be Osama's goal).

Remember that Osama doesn't belong to any single nation, so he could care less if we invaded another Muslim nation as long as Americans were being killed and his recruitment continued to grow.

From everything I've been reading Saudi is they key. They provide the funding idealogy and recruits.

Read this it will blow your mind.

Here is another link that is less controversial
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/

What you're saying is that if we wanted to look for the causes of what's happened -- Al Qaeda and the movement worldwide -- we would have to look to the schools, to the educational system which Saudi Arabia has fostered in the Islamic world?

There is no single cause for something like this. But there are a series of causes, and Saudi Arabia is responsible [for] one of them. In order to have terrorists, in order to have supporters for terrorists, in order to have people who are willing to interpret religion in violent ways, in order to have people who are willing to legitimate crashing yourself into a building and killing 5,000 innocent people, you need particular interpretations of Islam.

Those interpretations of Islam are being propagated out of schools that receive organizational and financial funding from Saudi Arabia. In fact, I would push it further: that these schools would not have existed without Saudi funding. They would not have proliferated across Pakistan and India and Afghanistan without Saudi funding. They would not have had the kind of prowess that they have without Saudi funding, and they would not have trained as many people without Saudi funding.

The information from both links is considered hearsay on the world stage. The Bushies would need something a little more solid to launch an invasion of Saudi Arabia (maybe clear-cut details of governmental involvement in financing or sponsoring terrorism).

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The problem is, IMO, the more Nations the US controls in the Mid-East, the more resentment Bin Laden can use for recruitment and the more opportunities for attacks/targets. He has nothing to lose and the US doesn't have the ability to occupy the whole Mid-East(without the Draft anyway).

The Flaw with that is when we did nothing he had all the recruits he wanted and launched attacks at will on US targets around the world with virtual impunity. Examples the attack on the USS Cole, Embassy bombings and the worst of the worst the 9-11 attack on our own soil. Please tell me how what we are now doing in the middle east has made it any worse. Sorry but you seem to forget all the crap Bin Laden and his cronys have been doing when we just looked the other way. Way I see it if they are going to attack us anyway which they have more than proven is their intent we may as well do our best to take the fight to them and spill their blood on their own soil before they spill the blood of our innocent civilians again on ours. Sorry Sandorski but you are letting your political bias cloud your logic.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: NesuD

Originally posted by: sandorski
The problem is, IMO, the more Nations the US controls in the Mid-East, the more resentment Bin Laden can use for recruitment and the more opportunities for attacks/targets. He has nothing to lose and the US doesn't have the ability to occupy the whole Mid-East(without the Draft anyway).

The Flaw with that is when we did nothing he had all the recruits he wanted and launched attacks at will on US targets around the world with virtual impunity. Examples the attack on the USS Cole, Embassy bombings and the worst of the worst the 9-11 attack on our own soil. Please tell me how what we are now doing in the middle east has made it any worse. Sorry but you seem to forget all the crap Bin Laden and his cronys have been doing when we just looked the other way. Way I see it if they are going to attack us anyway which they have more than proven is their intent we may as well do our best to take the fight to them and spill their blood on their own soil before they spill the blood of our innocent civilians again on ours. Sorry Sandorski but you are letting your political bias cloud your logic.

I didn't say "do nothing", going into Afghanistan is justified given the circumstances. Invading each and every Mid-East nation is counter-productive though, even Iraq is flawed if Al Queda is the concern. Go after Al Queda, they were the perps(to the best of our knowledge) not Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. Going into nation after nation will turn the WoT into a Crusade that will convince Mid-Easterners that the US is the enemy, even for those who are sympathetic with the US.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

The question "Why?" can be summed up with one word.

Allah

Osama and his buddies believe they are holy warriors for God. With God on your side, what do you have to fear? Everything they do is but a part of what they see as Allah's will. They believe this as strongly as you(Zebo)believe that Bush is and his cronies are using 9/11 to make a power grab at the middle east to further the neocon agenda. You know this to be true with every bone in youre body, and cannot fathom how a rational human being can come to a different conclusion about the Bushies. Nobody will convince you otherwise.

Dont misunderstand, im not attacking your political stances, nor am I trying to equate you to a terrorist. I am just trying to illustrate "Why?".

 

[LunarRay]

Havoc... perhaps.. but, I think Al Qaeda is trying to lull us into a false state of security. The more they promise and fail to do something the folks in charge and us citizens will slowly go back to sleep. They know we can tap into the email or web site stuff.. I think anything to be communicated among themselves is word of mouth. They don't need 'real time' communications and Bin Laden wouldn't use a computer to be tracked anyhow.. nope.. everything we hear is for our consumption IMO and not interdiction. The link is just one more of these thingi.. 9/11 is the way they operated... with out warning..

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Havoc... perhaps.. but, I think Al Qaeda is trying to lull us into a false state of security. The more they promise and fail to do something the folks in charge and us citizens will slowly go back to sleep. They know we can tap into the email or web site stuff.. I think anything to be communicated among themselves is word of mouth. They don't need 'real time' communications and Bin Laden wouldn't use a computer to be tracked anyhow.. nope.. everything we hear is for our consumption IMO and not interdiction. The link is just one more of these thingi.. 9/11 is the way they operated... with out warning..

I've been wondering how reliable all this info might be, it's quite easy to start spamming the net with false info. Bin Laden and Co are not stupid, kinda makes sense that they could be doing this just to throw people off, especially if they make a big deal about it everytime something is "intercepted".

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Havoc... perhaps.. but, I think Al Qaeda is trying to lull us into a false state of security. The more they promise and fail to do something the folks in charge and us citizens will slowly go back to sleep. They know we can tap into the email or web site stuff.. I think anything to be communicated among themselves is word of mouth. They don't need 'real time' communications and Bin Laden wouldn't use a computer to be tracked anyhow.. nope.. everything we hear is for our consumption IMO and not interdiction. The link is just one more of these thingi.. 9/11 is the way they operated... with out warning..

I've been wondering how reliable all this info might be, it's quite easy to start spamming the net with false info. Bin Laden and Co are not stupid, kinda makes sense that they could be doing this just to throw people off, especially if they make a big deal about it everytime something is "intercepted".

He and his crew played games with The Soviet machine for like on 10 years.. he knows tactics.. as does his friends. It is a game of chess. Both sides know there are so many moves and variations on each.. the problem for them is location.. it is most difficult to visit havoc upon us here. But, they know they can in time find a way and all the while disrupt us by causing us to disrupt ourselves.. interesting game, chess.. I love the game... hate to lose..