Bin Laden '99

[EagleKeeper]

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No 007 - No OBL head:twisted:

But apparently no thought to an extraction team either.

And advance info on the Cole was not considered to be credible

If the article is accurate; a major policy and pass the buck exercise existed.

 

[UberNeuman]

That's nice dear....

 

[kage69]

Well I sure am glad Cheney and Bush got serious about OBL once they got into office...yep

 

[Matt1970]

1993 should have been our wake-up call. Another 1000Lbs of explosives in that truck and we could have had one tower topple into the other killing 50K or even more if it took out another building. America doesn't like to do much untill enough people have died, so we just threw people in jail and put it behind us. Both Bush, Clinton and plenty of others are to blame but I don't remember hearing much of a battle cry in 1993.

 

[kage69]

1993 should have been our wake-up call. Another 1000Lbs of explosives in that truck and we could have had one tower topple into the other killing 50K or even more if it took out another building. America doesn't like to do much untill enough people have died, so we just threw people in jail and put it behind us. Both Bush, Clinton and plenty of others are to blame but I don't remember hearing much of a battle cry in 1993.

I hear you, but one thing that so many people fail to recall is Clinton's repeated attempts to get Congress (read: republicans) to take OBL seriously. It was another case of repub hate for the president screwing the country.

Now the same group loves to harp on and on about how Clinton didn't do anything, dropped the ball, yet go right on to disregard Bush sucking his thumb for nine months...

I can level of a lot of criticism at Clinton, but he had his head on right about AQ. I have trouble imagining the Clinton admin letting 58 Arabic translators go in a time we really needed them, just because they were gay.

 

[Anarchist420]

I have to say that I agree with misterplinket's comment and I should add that Cheney is a treasonous piece of dog shit.

The us gov is still occupying afghanistan for fucks sake so this shit was never to enhance the security of America. I can't believe how stupid some people are. Bin laden was a fall guy for the cia but then he refused to admit to it, by denying doing that shit three times. Aftrr the third time he refused to say that he did it, the CIA murdered his ass in late 2001 and replaced him with an imposter, because they couldn't count on him anymore.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I have to say that I agree with misterplinket's comment and I should add that Cheney is a treasonous piece of dog shit.

The us gov is still occupying afghanistan for fucks sake so this shit was never to enhance the security of America. I can't believe how stupid some people are. Bin laden was a fall guy for the cia but then he refused to admit to it, by denying doing that shit three times. Aftrr the third time he refused to say that he did it, the CIA murdered his ass in late 2001 and replaced him with an imposter, because they couldn't count on him anymore.

Cut with the BS

 

[cybrsage]

1993 should have been our wake-up call. Another 1000Lbs of explosives in that truck and we could have had one tower topple into the other killing 50K or even more if it took out another building. America doesn't like to do much untill enough people have died, so we just threw people in jail and put it behind us. Both Bush, Clinton and plenty of others are to blame but I don't remember hearing much of a battle cry in 1993.

The towers would not have falled sideways. They were designed not to do that.

 

[airdata]

Had the chance to kill him when he'd done what wrong?

Was he still on the CIA payroll in '99?

 

[cybrsage]

Ah, the lie that the US funded Bin Laden is still alive and well in the forum.

 

[airdata]

Ah, the lie that the US funded Bin Laden is still alive and well in the forum.

Lie?

It's well documented. Up there w\ all of the chemical weapons we gave sadaam.

Same scenario we've seen recently in places like lybia where we go in and fund the ' rebels '. Probably have to sit em down and show them how to operate the weapons as well, etc.

Then in 10-15 years when we need to we have faces we know by name to call the enemy.

 

[Genx87]

I hear you, but one thing that so many people fail to recall is Clinton's repeated attempts to get Congress (read: republicans) to take OBL seriously. It was another case of repub hate for the president screwing the country.

Now the same group loves to harp on and on about how Clinton didn't do anything, dropped the ball, yet go right on to disregard Bush sucking his thumb for nine months...

I can level of a lot of criticism at Clinton, but he had his head on right about AQ. I have trouble imagining the Clinton admin letting 58 Arabic translators go in a time we really needed them, just because they were gay.

This victimization card democrats play is getting worn out.

 

[Anarchist420]

[...]
Was he still on the CIA payroll in '99?

Good to see you're back To answer your question... I believe he was. He became a defector who had to be destroyed when he broke his agreement to not be the fall guy by claiming that he was not responsible.

 

[kage69]

This victimization card democrats play is getting worn out.

I don't consider them victims per se, but I do see them getting screwed by the pubs wanting to play both sides of an issue. I feel the GOP acting like they are entitled to be hypocrites is the tiring trend lately.

The victim card, hell the whole deck, is currently spoken for by those loveable evangelical christians.

 

[Thump553]

Unfortunately that was the same era as when the GOP led Congress impeached Clinton for lying about a hummer. Every time he went after AQ or Iraq he was roundly accused of staging a diversion ala "Wag the Dog."

A sad but very real example of how GOP hardball/scorched earth politics comes back to hurt the USA in the long run.

 

[blankslate]

I hear you, but one thing that so many people fail to recall is Clinton's repeated attempts to get Congress (read: republicans) to take OBL seriously. It was another case of repub hate for the president screwing the country.

Now the same group loves to harp on and on about how Clinton didn't do anything, dropped the ball, yet go right on to disregard Bush sucking his thumb for nine months...

I can level of a lot of criticism at Clinton, but he had his head on right about AQ. I have trouble imagining the Clinton admin letting 58 Arabic translators go in a time we really needed them, just because they were gay.

Not only that but when President Clinton did authorize a cruise missile strike on a compound where Bin Laden was thought to be he was accused of trying "wag the dog"

Additionally President Clinton's Administration warned President Bush's administration that Al-Qaeda was a threat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/politics/20PANE.html?hp

Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation -- and how the new administration was slow to act.

They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.

I know it doesn't fit with many people's worldview however, there were enough hints that were floating around in the few weeks before 9/11 that one wonders "What if Al-Qaeda was a focus of federal agencies?"

This victimization card democrats play is getting worn out.

Please, the outgoing administration warned the incoming Bush administration about a threat. Was that the role of a victim or people trying to set up the next administration for success?

 

[xj0hnx]

I have to say that I agree with misterplinket's comment and I should add that Cheney is a treasonous piece of dog shit.

The us gov is still occupying afghanistan for fucks sake so this shit was never to enhance the security of America. I can't believe how stupid some people are. Bin laden was a fall guy for the cia but then he refused to admit to it, by denying doing that shit three times. Aftrr the third time he refused to say that he did it, the CIA murdered his ass in late 2001 and replaced him with an imposter, because they couldn't count on him anymore.

The really sad thing is that you are probably not the only one that believes this bullshit.

 

[chucky2]

MMMmmm....the Clinton admin warned the Bush admin about a threat they could have taken care of themselves (with our without Congress approval), then threw it in the new admin lap and said, Good luck fixing our F up!

Bush Admin gets warned something is going to happen. Not when, or where, or how, just something...

...but they are supposed to do something about that immediately. Haha...it's so nutty it could actually convince people it's true. Oh wait.....

 

[xj0hnx]

Ah, the lie that the US funded Bin Laden is still alive and well in the forum.

Well, they actually did funded Bin Laden back when they were fighting the Russians, this isn't even disputed.

 

[Fern]

Well, they actually did funded Bin Laden back when they were fighting the Russians, this isn't even disputed.

Yes, it is disputed.

For example:

According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,

The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.[18]

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_–_Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

Fern

 

[Fern]

I hear you, but one thing that so many people fail to recall is Clinton's repeated attempts to get Congress (read: republicans) to take OBL seriously. It was another case of repub hate for the president screwing the country.
-snip-

Why would Clinton spend time trying to get Congress to take UBL seriously?

WTH does Congress have to do with it?

The CIA and military are under the President's control, not Congress. What shall they have done, pass a resolution?

Fern

 

[xj0hnx]

Yes, it is disputed.

For example:



Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_–_Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

Fern

So you don't think Bin Laden was part of the fight against the Russians? We funded the Mujahideen during that period.

 

[kage69]

Why would Clinton spend time trying to get Congress to take UBL seriously?


WTH does Congress have to do with it?

The CIA and military are under the President's control, not Congress. What shall they have done, pass a resolution?

Fern

Because they considered the man they hated to be "wagging the dog," and said as much.

I'm not going to waste time retelling relatively current history, you have to do your own legwork. I recommend reading up on Clinton and Congress' actions around the Blackhawk Down incident for further info. Congress holds the purse strings, perhaps you've heard of this?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Congress controls the purse strings - there are acknowledged functions for black ops that no one wants to talk about.

 

[kage69]

MMMmmm....the Clinton admin warned the Bush admin about a threat they could have taken care of themselves (with our without Congress approval), then threw it in the new admin lap and said, Good luck fixing our F up!

Bush Admin gets warned something is going to happen. Not when, or where, or how, just something...

...but they are supposed to do something about that immediately. Haha...it's so nutty it could actually convince people it's true. Oh wait.....

Strawman alert! Who said he needed to do something immediately? I would have settled for taking the warning seriously and doing something, ANYTHING, in his first 9 months of office. Is that too extreme of an expectation for the Cheney fanbois? The Clinton Admin did not create AQ, that threat was not "their fuckup."



Here's one for you...

Clinton holds off blowing the shit out of one of OBLs camps because they think UAE royalty is present and in his company. Killing members of an allied royal family = no big deal, shame on you Clinton!

Cut to Tora Bora years later, OBL is holed up, expecting to die, writes his will, says goodbye to comrades and tells them to keep fighting. Cheney says hold up, no pursuit from Delta, tell the 10th Mnt to stay put, no one is allowed to seal off passes with mines and we're going to send in some mercenaries to do it even though they were fighting against us a couple weeks ago. Can't proceed, there might be some locals milling about that could get hurt. Suddenly, the possibility of collateral in a remote mountain area (that's been a warzone for days) is just too much to risk! Big deal! Shame on those dirty libs for even suggesting it!


It's an interesting double standard, one that many don't like to think about.