Bill would give Obama control of internet during emergencies

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

Nobody said conspiracy. What he is saying is the government doesn't need nor deserve this type of power. Censorship is really the only thing I can imagine happening in this situation and I thought we, as a country, decided a long time ago, censorship is a bad thing.

Doesn't it already have that Power over other forms of Mass media?

Perhaps, but it doesn't mean it should.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sandorski
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Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

That is like saying everyone should be required to wear hazmat suits because we don't know what kind of germ some lab might create.

If they have proof of a credible threat then they should use that as a reason, if not they should not use some web site attacks as proof that cyber armageddon is upon us.

If they have Proof of a Threat, then it's probably too late to go and get the Powers to stop it. You might note that this only Grants the Ability, it doesn't Grant Immediate Lockdown.

Just admit it, everyone knows the truth already. You will support ANY and ALL government powers. Hell, you probably wish the government told you when to walk your dog and brush your teeth.

Well unfortunately for you and the rest of these assholes in government, a lot of Americans are finally waking up and realizing that we are sick of the government taking as much power as they can garner. The 2010 election is going to be a thing of beauty when all these asshats get kicked out of office.

Incorrect. Just pointing out that Precedence exists for such Powers and that situations may demand such Powers be used.

Just admit your Paranoia, it's the first step to Recovery.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

Nobody said conspiracy. What he is saying is the government doesn't need nor deserve this type of power. Censorship is really the only thing I can imagine happening in this situation and I thought we, as a country, decided a long time ago, censorship is a bad thing.

Doesn't it already have that Power over other forms of Mass media?

Perhaps, but it doesn't mean it should.

Doesn't mean it shouldn't either.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sandorski
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Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

That is like saying everyone should be required to wear hazmat suits because we don't know what kind of germ some lab might create.

If they have proof of a credible threat then they should use that as a reason, if not they should not use some web site attacks as proof that cyber armageddon is upon us.

If they have Proof of a Threat, then it's probably too late to go and get the Powers to stop it. You might note that this only Grants the Ability, it doesn't Grant Immediate Lockdown.

Just admit it, everyone knows the truth already. You will support ANY and ALL government powers. Hell, you probably wish the government told you when to walk your dog and brush your teeth.

Well unfortunately for you and the rest of these assholes in government, a lot of Americans are finally waking up and realizing that we are sick of the government taking as much power as they can garner. The 2010 election is going to be a thing of beauty when all these asshats get kicked out of office.

Incorrect. Just pointing out that Precedence exists for such Powers and that situations may demand such Powers be used.

Just admit your Paranoia, it's the first step to Recovery.

Its not paranoia, its trust issues. I'll be the first to admit I absolutely do NOT trust the government.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: sandorski
True or not, there are situations when this kind of Power may be necessary.

Of course there is... like when trying to limit, censor or otherwise control the rapid sharing of information made possible by the internet.

So what you're saying is that it's just a Conspiracy and that there could never be a good reason to have that Control?

Fail.

Name one good reason why they should have that power. Take some countries like China or Iran, where the govt has that ability, and look at how they use it. "National security" and "extraordinary circumstances" have historically been the commonly employed methods of a govt power grab.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

Already provided examples. We have no idea what the future holds, some future Hacker/Group could render current controls useless, for eg. Many Government systems maybe Offline, but many others are not, Banks are not, and many other important things are reachable through the Internet.

There really isn't anything out there that we don't already know how to mitigate. Once it had been identified it's fairly easy to stop it. The network security industry as a whole is filled with pretty sharp people, myself included.

I trust the providers a lot more than I trust the gubment and I'd rather err on the side of liberty than control. The potential for abuse of this power is very large.

Times change. You don't know what the future holds and being prepared is better than not being prepared.

I believe what spidey is getting at is, (I am assuming he works in the private secter) the private sector has run through probably every possible doomsday scenario, and how to not only detect, but thwart or stop it. Black and white hat conferences are a good start to understanding what the private sector is doing.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: irwincur
I really can't think of a situation that would require the Internet to be shut down. Seriously, what disaster, war, etc... would justify this. The only reason for it would be to silence the public in the event of a massive movement (ie. Iran).

Awsome that this could even be considered in America. More awsome that it is being considered by the "regular people's" party... When are people going to open their eyes and see what the Democrats really represent.

How about a Foreign massive Hacking attempt? Worm/Virii/Other DDOS or other attack on US Government or Users Computers?

No.

What? Don't think it's possible? I'd say you're being short sighted.

Let's go back to the Cold War for some reasons then. What if a massive Nuke Attack was Initiated. Wouldn't it be a good idea for the Pres to be able to Mass Notify/Inform the Public of the impending event and/or provide Info on Emergency Services etc, similar to the Emergency Broadcast System?

I think many of you are being paranoid here. This is just a matter of Updating Powers to new Technology.

You're the one who is paranoid, with all these fears of unsubstantiated and vague "attacks" and "threats" from unknown enemies.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: blackangst1


I believe what spidey is getting at is, (I am assuming he works in the private secter) the private sector has run through probably every possible doomsday scenario, and how to not only detect, but thwart or stop it. Black and white hat conferences are a good start to understanding what the private sector is doing.

Pretty much. It's also the private network security sector that helped develop the features of modern router software and detection/prevention appliances. So the tools to stop just about anything are already in place.

I still remember "the big one" which was a way to break BGP and the industry responded very quickly to resolve it. That's the only thing really vulnerable is the control protocols and for now there are no known exploits for the major ones.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: blackangst1


I believe what spidey is getting at is, (I am assuming he works in the private secter) the private sector has run through probably every possible doomsday scenario, and how to not only detect, but thwart or stop it. Black and white hat conferences are a good start to understanding what the private sector is doing.

Pretty much. It's also the private network security sector that helped develop the features of modern router software and detection/prevention appliances. So the tools to stop just about anything are already in place.

I still remember "the big one" which was a way to break BGP and the industry responded very quickly to resolve it. That's the only thing really vulnerable is the control protocols and for now there are no known exploits for the major ones.

Yeah I remember that well (I work with BGP also). Its interesting it was the private sector that not only found the exploit, but created SBGP to fix it. It had a nice side effect of Cisco and Foundry having a nice splurge of core router sales to dark fiber carriers