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Bill Maher's Anti-Pharma Rant

A lot of this problem might go away if we could just go back to not allowing TV advertising for prescription meds.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
The worst I see is anti-depressants as a cure for sadness and aderall as a cure for laziness.
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They're prescribed because they work (in general). However, a big part of the issue is that doctors are responding to the desires of their clients, which often entails finding a pill to cure the problem.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Farang
The worst I see is anti-depressants as a cure for sadness and aderall as a cure for laziness.
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They're prescribed because they work (in general). However, a big part of the issue is that doctors are responding to the desires of their clients, which often entails finding a pill to cure the problem.
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I'm not a doctor but from what I have seen lazy kids take aderall like speed to cram for tests. It isn't that they have a problem, it is this pill helps them fit a mold their parents want for them. If a kid is lazy he is lazy and we don't need to fix it with drugs.. it is like giving an overachieving pompous douchebag a pill to make him more self-conscious and nervous. Sure it makes him for normal but life is all about having the pompous douchebag overachievers and the lazy people.

The antidepressants, they turn people into zombies in my experience. They should only be prescribed as a last resort because to me it seems like you're numbing someone's life rather than improving it.
 
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
 
"20 years ago children didn't get diabetes."

yes they did.

while i agree that some things are overdiagnosed (mental ailments), things like diabetes need to be diagnosed. and you either have it or you dont.

i dont think maher understands that.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Farang
The worst I see is anti-depressants as a cure for sadness and aderall as a cure for laziness.
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They're prescribed because they work (in general). However, a big part of the issue is that doctors are responding to the desires of their clients, which often entails finding a pill to cure the problem.
Click to expand...

I'm not a doctor but from what I have seen lazy kids take aderall like speed to cram for tests. It isn't that they have a problem, it is this pill helps them fit a mold their parents want for them. If a kid is lazy he is lazy and we don't need to fix it with drugs.. it is like giving an overachieving pompous douchebag a pill to make him more self-conscious and nervous. Sure it makes him for normal but life is all about having the pompous douchebag overachievers and the lazy people.

The antidepressants, they turn people into zombies in my experience. They should only be prescribed as a last resort because to me it seems like you're numbing someone's life rather than improving it.
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I definitely agree that many medications--especially psychopharmacological interventions--are possibly over-prescribed. I was just pointing out that the reason they're prescribed in the first place is because they've been proven to work. Their use in many cases might not be justified, but is likely brought on by the insistence of the client/patient that things be "fixed" right away, and with as little effort on their part as possible.
 
His anti-pharma bullshit is the only thing I don't like about his show. There are lots of problems with the pharmaceutical industry, but spinach doesn't fund cancer research. The standard of living does nothing but rise, and this asshole wants us to return to the medical stone-age. Everyone's sicker than they've ever been, yet they're living longer than they ever have?

He believes in a holistic. "natural" approach to medicine (i.e. magic). I've got some information for you, Nature wants you dead by 30, toothless by 25 and pregnant by 13.
 
If pharm companies can't make money, where will all the nation's chemists and biologists work?
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
If pharm companies can't make money, where will all the nation's chemists and biologists work?
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Work for the military, finding new, innovative, and efficient ways of killing each other. 😉

🙁

 
There's something off about drug companies coming into your home through the tube, whispering sweet promises of peace, and leaving you with the mantra "Ask your doctor if [insert drug here] is right for you". Then you go to your doctor, armed with the conviction that [insert drug here] is what will make your life livable; remembering all the beautiful, smiling people and warm, buttery rays of sunlight that you saw in the commercial. After having seen droves of people just like you, the doctor immediately capitulates and prescribes you your wonder drug, hiding the fact that he's simultaneously annoyed by people self-prescribing via infomercial and grateful that it'll work for a while as a placebo if nothing else.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper
I definitely agree that many medications--especially psychopharmacological interventions--are possibly over-prescribed. I was just pointing out that the reason they're prescribed in the first place is because they've been proven to work. Their use in many cases might not be justified, but is likely brought on by the insistence of the client/patient that things be "fixed" right away, and with as little effort on their part as possible.
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You sound like a doctor or someone in the medical industry, so if I am correct in that assumption you are coming off a bit biased in your application of the blame upon patients. Of course we want quick fixes. It is the medical professional's job to prescribe what is best, not what we want. We are not the professionals. In my view the primary responsibility for a prescribed drug entering a person's system lays upon the prescriber, not the patient. The credit and the blame go along with that responsibility.
 
Originally posted by: Babbles
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
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Ah, and with this cogent and informative post, you've clearly demonstrated why we should listen to you.

Originally posted by: Fayd
"20 years ago children didn't get diabetes."

yes they did.

while i agree that some things are overdiagnosed (mental ailments), things like diabetes need to be diagnosed. and you either have it or you dont.

i dont think maher understands that.
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He said "Type 2 Diabetes." Remember how we use to have Juvenile Diabetes, etc? Kids are getting Type 2 now in incredibly high numbers, whereas before it was far, far less common.
 
Originally posted by: Babbles
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
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Ditto. He is another one of those useless Libs that want everyone else to pay more money while he runs around with his used car salesman hair, expensive cars, and rock star life. He is just another whiney NE Lib that runs around all in favor of giving away everyone else's money.
 
Originally posted by: Farang
The worst I see is anti-depressants as a cure for sadness and aderall as a cure for laziness.
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Don't forget Ritalin as a cure for, well, parenting...
 
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: Babbles
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
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Ah, and with this cogent and informative post, you've clearly demonstrated why we should listen to you.

Originally posted by: Fayd
"20 years ago children didn't get diabetes."

yes they did.

while i agree that some things are overdiagnosed (mental ailments), things like diabetes need to be diagnosed. and you either have it or you dont.

i dont think maher understands that.
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He said "Type 2 Diabetes." Remember how we use to have Juvenile Diabetes, etc? Kids are getting Type 2 now in incredibly high numbers, whereas before it was far, far less common.
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and with either tyoe of diabetes, you either have it or you dont.

if there's a massive influx of type 2, then it's indicative of a different problem than overmedication.
 
Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Originally posted by: Babbles
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
Click to expand...

Ah, and with this cogent and informative post, you've clearly demonstrated why we should listen to you.

Originally posted by: Fayd
"20 years ago children didn't get diabetes."

yes they did.

while i agree that some things are overdiagnosed (mental ailments), things like diabetes need to be diagnosed. and you either have it or you dont.

i dont think maher understands that.
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He said "Type 2 Diabetes." Remember how we use to have Juvenile Diabetes, etc? Kids are getting Type 2 now in incredibly high numbers, whereas before it was far, far less common.
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We still have Type 1 diabetes(juvenile diabetes), Type 2 diabetes is because of the obesity problem amongst adolescents and americans in general. Not pharamacuticals.

Both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, are you either have it or you dont. Untreated cases of either will lead to long term ogran problems and premature death. Dr's arent perscribing non diabetics diabetic medication because that could KILL. If you dont have diabetes and you take something like glucatrol your blood sugar will drop to such low levels it could kill you.

 
Originally posted by: Babbles
I think Bill Maher is a clueless douche that oversimplifies complex issues. He really shouldn't be giving out his opinion, because people may actually listen to him thinking he knows what's going on.
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Same goes for anyone else out there. Everyone does it. What makes him different?
 
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