Bill Maher Takes on Obama

Mr. Lennon

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Real Time with Bill Maher...

He expressed my views perfectly in his closing statement for his show. Obama needs to start putting his money where his mouth is and start actually getting shit done. As Bill Maher put it, "what he needs is a little bit of George Bush."
 

JKing106

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I have to agree. I was in the afterglow of "Anybody but Bush!" for a while there, but it's starting to look like more of the same, just with a spokesman who's not a retarded chimp. He must be doing at least a little something right, because the Neocons are terrified. Cheney on every week trying to convince us torture was a "good thing," to save his own ass, Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly trying to incite violent protest against "OMGSOSHALISMS!!!!!!!!!111!!", etc. Maher's right, time to stop playing Mr. Niceguy, and ram the legislation through, just like Bush did.
 

Paddington

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That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Read the bolded sections first:


June 10, 2009
Economic Scene
America?s Sea of Red Ink Was Years in the Making
By DAVID LEONHARDT

There are two basic truths about the enormous deficits that the federal government will run in the coming years.

The first is that President Obama?s agenda, ambitious as it may be, is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits, despite what many of his Republican critics are saying. The second is that Mr. Obama does not have a realistic plan for eliminating the deficit, despite what his advisers have suggested.

The New York Times analyzed Congressional Budget Office reports going back almost a decade, with the aim of understanding how the federal government came to be far deeper in debt than it has been since the years just after World War II. This debt will constrain the country?s choices for years and could end up doing serious economic damage if foreign lenders become unwilling to finance it.

Mr. Obama ? responding to recent signs of skittishness among those lenders ? met with 40 members of Congress at the White House on Tuesday and called for the re-enactment of pay-as-you-go rules, requiring Congress to pay for any new programs it passes.

The story of today?s deficits starts in January 2001, as President Bill Clinton was leaving office. The Congressional Budget Office estimated then that the government would run an average annual surplus of more than $800 billion a year from 2009 to 2012. Today, the government is expected to run a $1.2 trillion annual deficit in those years.

You can think of that roughly $2 trillion swing as coming from four broad categories: the business cycle, President George W. Bush?s policies, policies from the Bush years that are scheduled to expire but that Mr. Obama has chosen to extend, and new policies proposed by Mr. Obama.

The first category ? the business cycle ? accounts for 37 percent of the $2 trillion swing. It?s a reflection of the fact that both the 2001 recession and the current one reduced tax revenue, required more spending on safety-net programs and changed economists? assumptions about how much in taxes the government would collect in future years.

About 33 percent of the swing stems from new legislation signed by Mr. Bush. That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt.

Mr. Obama?s main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies ? together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama ? account for 20 percent of the swing.

About 7 percent comes from the stimulus bill that Mr. Obama signed in February. And only 3 percent comes from Mr. Obama?s agenda on health care, education, energy and other areas.

If the analysis is extended further into the future, well beyond 2012, the Obama agenda accounts for only a slightly higher share of the projected deficits.

How can that be? Some of his proposals, like a plan to put a price on carbon emissions, don?t cost the government any money. Others would be partly offset by proposed tax increases on the affluent and spending cuts. Congressional and White House aides agree that no large new programs, like an expansion of health insurance, are likely to pass unless they are paid for.

Alan Auerbach, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, and an author of a widely cited study on the dangers of the current deficits, describes the situation like so: ?Bush behaved incredibly irresponsibly for eight years. On the one hand, it might seem unfair for people to blame Obama for not fixing it. On the other hand, he?s not fixing it.?

?And,? he added, ?not fixing it is, in a sense, making it worse.?

When challenged about the deficit, Mr. Obama and his advisers generally start talking about health care. ?There is no way you can put the nation on a sound fiscal course without wringing inefficiencies out of health care,? Peter Orszag, the White House budget director, told me.

Outside economists agree. The Medicare budget really is the linchpin of deficit reduction. But there are two problems with leaving the discussion there.

First, even if a health overhaul does pass, it may not include the tough measures needed to bring down spending. Ultimately, the only way to do so is to take money from doctors, drug makers and insurers, and it isn?t clear whether Mr. Obama and Congress have the stomach for that fight. So far, they have focused on ideas like preventive care that would do little to cut costs.

Second, even serious health care reform won?t be enough. Obama advisers acknowledge as much. They say that changes to the system would probably have a big effect on health spending starting in five or 10 years. The national debt, however, will grow dangerously large much sooner.

Mr. Orszag says the president is committed to a deficit equal to no more than 3 percent of gross domestic product within five to 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office projects a deficit of at least 4 percent for most of the next decade. Even that may turn out to be optimistic, since the government usually ends up spending more than it says it will. So Mr. Obama isn?t on course to meet his target.

But Congressional Republicans aren?t, either. Judd Gregg recently held up a chart on the Senate floor showing that Mr. Obama would increase the deficit ? but failed to mention that much of the increase stemmed from extending Bush policies. In fact, unlike Mr. Obama, Republicans favor extending all the Bush tax cuts, which will send the deficit higher.

Republican leaders in the House, meanwhile, announced a plan last week to cut spending by $75 billion a year. But they made specific suggestions adding up to meager $5 billion. The remaining $70 billion was left vague. ?The G.O.P. is not serious about cutting down spending,? the conservative Cato Institute concluded.

What, then, will happen?

?Things will get worse gradually,? Mr. Auerbach predicts, ?unless they get worse quickly.? Either a solution will be put off, or foreign lenders, spooked by the rising debt, will send interest rates higher and create a crisis.

The solution, though, is no mystery. It will involve some combination of tax increases and spending cuts. And it won?t be limited to pay-as-you-go rules, tax increases on somebody else, or a crackdown on waste, fraud and abuse. Your taxes will probably go up, and some government programs you favor will become less generous.

That is the legacy of our trillion-dollar deficits. Erasing them will be one of the great political issues of the coming decade.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06.../10leonhardt.html?_r=2

Also see graph here

 

Paddington

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Numbers are debatable, but you'd have to be a fool to think that Obama's stimulus package wasn't a huge piece of multi-hundred billion dollar spending legislation that was railroaded through Congress rather quickly and abruptly. He called in a lot of favors to push that through.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Paddington
Numbers are debatable, but you'd have to be a fool to think that Obama's stimulus package wasn't a huge piece of multi-hundred billion dollar spending legislation that was railroaded through Congress rather quickly and abruptly. He called in a lot of favors to push that through.

Numbers are not debatable - opinions are. Those numbers came from the CBO


 

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Paddington
Numbers are debatable, but you'd have to be a fool to think that Obama's stimulus package wasn't a huge piece of multi-hundred billion dollar spending legislation that was railroaded through Congress rather quickly and abruptly. He called in a lot of favors to push that through.

Numbers are not debatable - opinions are. Those numbers came from the CBO

Obama has accounted for 27% while Bush accounted for 33%?

Still scratching my head there. Obama takes full responsibility for extending Bush policies. He campaigned on ending the war and tax cuts for the wealthy. He has the Senate, the House, and the Executive. Perpetuating bad policies is a bad policy in itself. Last time I checked, the buck stopped at the Oval Office.
 

Mr. Lennon

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Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Well he sure "magically" got his wish for a war in Iraq.
 

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Paddington
Numbers are debatable, but you'd have to be a fool to think that Obama's stimulus package wasn't a huge piece of multi-hundred billion dollar spending legislation that was railroaded through Congress rather quickly and abruptly. He called in a lot of favors to push that through.

Numbers are not debatable - opinions are. Those numbers came from the CBO

But what they claim the numbers mean is pure opinion, and that's what that article is.

(Not to mention they're basing the whole thing off estimates of years 2009-2012 done back in 2000/2001. That's flat-out stupid and disengenuous. Estimates that far out are rubbish. The whole article and it's premise is worthless)

Fern
 

Paddington

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Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Well he sure "magically" got his wish for a war in Iraq.

Can you read? As I said, the President has a broad base to act as "Commander In Chief", which has been the case since WWII. The Congress is cowardly and chooses not to "declare war" (or reject it) as they're supposed to, because it's one of the few things incumbent Congressmen can get voted out on.

In the same way, it's disingenuous for Obama to claim that Iraq War costs are due to GWB, when he himself could end this war (and Afghanistan) tomorrow if he wanted to, with no approval of anyone in Congress needed.
 

Shuxclams

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I am still in awe that the Right Saw/See the Obaminator as this Socialist pig out to take away guns, imprison religious folk, ban NASCAR races, impose gov't healthcare and steal from the rich and the the Left Saw/See The Obaminator as this leftist savior who is going to end war, crime, poverty, racism, make sure everyday has blue skies and rainbows with a unicorn in every front yard....

The guys is a moderate.. with moderate ideas about all thing really. He is cautious, maybe too cautious as Mr. Maher suggests... but a moderate.



SHUX
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Paddington
Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Well he sure "magically" got his wish for a war in Iraq.

Can you read? As I said, the President has a broad base to act as "Commander In Chief", which has been the case since WWII. The Congress is cowardly and chooses not to "declare war" (or reject it) as they're supposed to, because it's one of the few things incumbent Congressmen can get voted out on.

In the same way, it's disingenuous for Obama to claim that Iraq War costs are due to GWB, when he himself could end this war (and Afghanistan) tomorrow if he wanted to, with no approval of anyone in Congress needed.
you simply can't end this war because of the reprocussions. quit being intellectually dishonest. and if you truly believe that he really can end the wars and everything will be peachy, then i'm truly sorry for you. any $ spent for the iraq war no matter what obama or the next president does is solely because of bush.
 

nageov3t

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I'm still waiting for him to be the fierce advocate he promised to be.

I expect I'll still be waiting for it in November 2016.
 

Paddington

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Paddington
Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Well he sure "magically" got his wish for a war in Iraq.

Can you read? As I said, the President has a broad base to act as "Commander In Chief", which has been the case since WWII. The Congress is cowardly and chooses not to "declare war" (or reject it) as they're supposed to, because it's one of the few things incumbent Congressmen can get voted out on.

In the same way, it's disingenuous for Obama to claim that Iraq War costs are due to GWB, when he himself could end this war (and Afghanistan) tomorrow if he wanted to, with no approval of anyone in Congress needed.
you simply can't end this war because of the reprocussions. quit being intellectually dishonest. and if you truly believe that he really can end the wars and everything will be peachy, then i'm truly sorry for you. any $ spent for the iraq war no matter what obama or the next president does is solely because of bush.

A rapid end to the Iraq War is something Obama campaigned on, but since has failed to deliver.
 

child of wonder

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It's refreshing to see someone not afraid to attack someone the previously supported or presently support. I'm so used to see Faux News just scream about what an awesome president Bush is/was no matter how badly he fucked up.
 

Starbuck1975

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It's refreshing to see someone not afraid to attack someone the previously supported or presently support. I'm so used to see Faux News just scream about what an awesome president Bush is/was no matter how badly he fucked up.
What does this have to do with Faux News?

What is refreshing is that Bill Maher was a vocal critic of the Bush Administration, and fair to say also a vocal Obama supporter, yet is not so partisan as to give Obama a free pass. While I don't always agree with Maher's politics, I enjoy his commentary, similar to Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, in that they are certainly left center, but are not afraid to call out politicians regardless of party affiliation.
 

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
It's refreshing to see someone not afraid to attack someone the previously supported or presently support. I'm so used to see Faux News just scream about what an awesome president Bush is/was no matter how badly he fucked up.

This.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Paddington
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Paddington
Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: Paddington
That's right Obama can't push any of his legislation through because he's got a 2/3 Republican Congress... Oh wait, that's not true.

Seriously what kind of crack are you people smoking? Obama has already railroaded through a ton of legislation. Did you not noticed how our deficit exploded this year on the back his huge stimulus package? The economy hasn't rebounded as quickly as he hoped. He's not as popular as he was a few months ago. And since he's already spent a lot of political capital, it's not that easy for him to just call up Senators and Congressmen and ask them to sign off on his new whacky ideas which won't work. There's an increasing sense of nervousness within the Democratic party about what's going to happen in 2010 if they just rubber stamp all of Obama's agenda, and things turn out disastrous.

Also it's funny how Democrats and liberals recall the GWB years, as if he magically got everything he wished for. You talk to any Republicans, and a lot of them weren't happy about legislation that GWB delivered on. His "tax cuts" were only temporary. He promised social security reform, but failed utterly to deliver on that because the Republicans in Congress didn't want to touch it. He and McCain wanted to pass an amnesty for Mexicans, but thankfully that was rejected by his own party. The only front that GWB had a broad base to act on was the military, which shouldn't be surprising because Presidents since WWII have been using their broad and vaguely defined powers as "commander in chief" to do what they want with a pliable Congress reluctant to declare war on anyone because they don't want to take any responsibility.

Well he sure "magically" got his wish for a war in Iraq.

Can you read? As I said, the President has a broad base to act as "Commander In Chief", which has been the case since WWII. The Congress is cowardly and chooses not to "declare war" (or reject it) as they're supposed to, because it's one of the few things incumbent Congressmen can get voted out on.

In the same way, it's disingenuous for Obama to claim that Iraq War costs are due to GWB, when he himself could end this war (and Afghanistan) tomorrow if he wanted to, with no approval of anyone in Congress needed.
you simply can't end this war because of the reprocussions. quit being intellectually dishonest. and if you truly believe that he really can end the wars and everything will be peachy, then i'm truly sorry for you. any $ spent for the iraq war no matter what obama or the next president does is solely because of bush.

A rapid end to the Iraq War is something Obama campaigned on, but since has failed to deliver.

Link to proof?