Ya but Arsenio was accusing him of selling out the network and focus groups. Now I found the whole thing really awkward, obviously Arsenio has a bug up his ass about something. Bill Maher is no saint, and in his own words his show is about controversy, but I really doubt he concedes much to the network. I turned the channel, the show never recovered after that incident. Oh, I agree that Arsenio is washed up (ya sure Arsenio, you quit your show...)