Bill Clinton: Netanyahu 'Not The Guy' To Strike Peace Deal

[SandEagle]

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/bill-clinton-benjamin-netanyahu-peace-deal/2014/09/16/id/594988/

Former President Bill Clinton has taken the unusual step of criticizing the Israeli government's handling of peace negotiations with the Palestinians, agreeing with a suggestion that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is "not the guy" to achieve lasting peace in the Middle East.

"If we don't force him to make peace, we will not have peace," Clinton added while speaking in a conversation at a Democratic fundraiser in Iowa this weekend, according to the U.K.'s Guardian newspaper.

Bill Clinton a.k.a. Captain Obvious

 

[cubby1223]

Israeli authorities going about their affairs in the wrong way.

Message received.

 

[cabri]

Peace can not be achieved if both sides do not want it.
Half assed steps get nowhere

 

[Fern]

Bill Clinton: Netanyahu 'Not The Guy' To Strike Peace Deal

AFAIK it's actually a hardliner such as Netanyahu who can actually get such a deal done. The people, Israelis in this case, tend to trust them when cutting such a deal.

Anyway, the whole thing is moot. Replace Netanyahu and nothing will change. As we've seen time and again the Palestinians aren't going to agree to a deal.

Bill Clinton didn't have to deal with Netanyahu and he couldn't get anything done. See Camp David summit etc.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...inton.27s_.22Parameters.22_and_the_Taba_talks

This is just BS from Bill and likely intended for some political effect only he knows.

Fern

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't know why Bill Clinton thinks that arbitrary intervention can cause the two sides to love each other. He's too smart to think that although he is a very seize the day kind of guy; he seems to hate thinking about the future. Despite Ron Paul being most stubborn, he really is smarter especially given that he lives in the future. He has predicted everything quite precisely before many other people had any clue.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't know why Bill Clinton thinks that arbitrary intervention can cause the two sides to love each other. He's too smart to think that although he is a very seize the day kind of guy; he seems to hate thinking about the future. Despite Ron Paul being most stubborn, he really is smarter especially given that he lives in the future. He has predicted everything quite precisely before many other people had any clue.

Ron who??

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/bill-clinton-benjamin-netanyahu-peace-deal/2014/09/16/id/594988/



Bill Clinton a.k.a. Captain Obvious

Too true.

Netanyahu clearly intends perpetual occupation, military reprisals and expansion into Palestinian enclaves. The Israeli Right covets what little the Pals have left to them.

 

[zanejohnson]

Israel is gonna get smacked hard, been telling you guys this recently..


........you can take that to the bank.

alot of people on this board HATE that i'm always right on these types of things... lets try to maintain a sense of, respect, between one another here though, lets remain classy.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Israel is gonna get smacked hard, been telling you guys this recently..


........you can take that to the bank.

alot of people on this board HATE that i'm always right on these types of things... lets try to maintain a sense of, respect, between one another here though, lets remain classy.

Yes, you have been saying that quite frequently. So..... just who is "Israel gonna get smacked hard" by exactly? Please... do tell!

 

[zanejohnson]

Yes, you have been saying that quite frequently. So..... just who is "Israel gonna get smacked hard" by exactly? Please... do tell!

the USA.

by proxy.

 

[Karl Agathon]

the USA.

by proxy.

Fair enough. I don't agree, but have to admit, your answer was a lot more rational than the one I thought I was going to get. I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility of that happening at some future date.

 

[inachu]

israelis and muslims do not want peace. I've read the majority of each side peace accords and neither side use legal wording to offer true peace. muslims just copy the israeli peace accords and flip a few words here and there then offer it back and then israel refuse to sign it and so now they both point fingers at each other saying the other does not want peace and they are both correct.

 

[Newell Steamer]

It's the Middle East - a region of murderers, by murderers and for murderers. Who else does Bill think will lead a country like Israel? Or, again, any ME country.

I am not sure how and why people want to help, support or aid any country in the region. We are used (and even killed; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident) by what we deem as the 'good guys'.

 

[manimal]

AFAIK it's actually a hardliner such as Netanyahu who can actually get such a deal done. The people, Israelis in this case, tend to trust them when cutting such a deal.

Anyway, the whole thing is moot. Replace Netanyahu and nothing will change. As we've seen time and again the Palestinians aren't going to agree to a deal.

Bill Clinton didn't have to deal with Netanyahu and he couldn't get anything done. See Camp David summit etc.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel...inton.27s_.22Parameters.22_and_the_Taba_talks

This is just BS from Bill and likely intended for some political effect only he knows.

Fern

Can you rationally say that Bibbi hasnt made things worse?

 

[norseamd]

Did America not just recently declassify documents related to the Israeli nuclear program?

Does that not clearly state the political situation involving Israel, America, the Islamic countries, and every other country? The Israelis are going to have to start changing how they act very soon or they are going to lose even more support from America.

 

[squarecut1]

Did America not just recently declassify documents related to the Israeli nuclear program?

Does that not clearly state the political situation involving Israel, America, the Islamic countries, and every other country? The Israelis are going to have to start changing how they act very soon or they are going to lose even more support from America.

Don't see that happening. Even prominent pro Israeli people like Tom Friedman etc have openly said that America's foreign policy towards Israel and that region is really a domestic policy. That is, the politicians can not and will not go against the source of their domestic funding and support. Bear in mind, a typical politician will sell his/her mother and grandmother in a buy one, get one free sale to get power and money.

 

[Dannar26]

I don't blame Israel for standing up for itself. The region is ruthless, they can ill afford a carebear in office.

 

[fskimospy]

Clinton is probably right about this. Although the Israeli population appears to genuinely want peace, I think it's been quite clear for a long time that Likud does not. The current situation is their preferred one: general instability and severe repression that results in military action every few years.

The goal here is to keep things in that state for as long as possible so more illegal settlements can be built. Eventually they will create so many that they will be impossible to remove, and Israel will have gotten what it wants.

 

[squarecut1]

Clinton is probably right about this. Although the Israeli population appears to genuinely want peace, I think it's been quite clear for a long time that Likud does not. The current situation is their preferred one: general instability and severe repression that results in military action every few years.

The goal here is to keep things in that state for as long as possible so more illegal settlements can be built. Eventually they will create so many that they will be impossible to remove, and Israel will have gotten what it wants.

Yes, you have summed it up. And that goal is 90 to 95 percent done now. There is no hope left for any kind of viable Palestinian state now. They are condemned to live forever it seems in an apartheid state.

 

[cabri]

Yes, you have summed it up. And that goal is 90 to 95 percent done now. There is no hope left for any kind of viable Palestinian state now. They are condemned to live forever it seems in an apartheid state.

People were saying the same about the settlements in Gaza. Israel government pulled out of there unconditionally - at times forceably removing the settlers; but hoping that the violence from Gaza would stop.

A similar occurrence could happen on the West Bank if Israel feels secure in that there will no organizes/authorized/winked at attacks on her people.

The track record out of Gaza has to be overcome for Israel to start to feel secure about releasing control of the West Bank to a Palestinian government.

What can be perceived as external pressure on Israel will just play into the Israeli hard liners' hands and also embolden the Arab/Muslim side of the house (Hamas/Hezbollah and sponsors) that want to attack/remove Israel from the equation

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, you have summed it up. And that goal is 90 to 95 percent done now. There is no hope left for any kind of viable Palestinian state now. They are condemned to live forever it seems in an apartheid state.

I've said it for a long time- the Pals need to re frame the argument into something America can understand- Equal rights in the state of Israel. That's Zionists' worst nightmare.

Israeli occupation of the West Bank 40 years ago made a Palestinian State functionally impossible. Israel simply won't allow it.

 

[Fern]

Can you rationally say that Bibbi hasnt made things worse?

I honestly believe that there's zero chance of a peace deal no matter who is in charge of Israel. No one can make a 'zero chance' worse. Zero is simply zero.

Fern

 

[Anarchist420]

the U.S. Constitution will be completely gone and replaced by a ruler who is a monarcho-isolationist (who'll start out as a pro-war dictator eventually bombing russia one last time; that will be followed by the troops raping some russian, northern/eastern european women; then after that, the troops will called home to smoke some weed with the ruler; finally, giant barriers will slam down over north america). the coming dictator may be anti-israel and could try to attack israel once and/or will try to stop jews from moving there which might only get some of the dictator's objects killed or worse.

and that means the State of israel will no longer have any strings binding the people. then the State of israel will survive at least 200 years after the minute the u.s. constitution is replaced with a joseph stalin-type dictator turned isolationist (she or he may have origins in mexico or canada, quebec possibly but will rule from what is now the u.s.). so once all that happens the State of israel will be allowed to do whatever it wants to the palestinians (it probably won't get aid from just one govt's MIC like it does now, but will probably have several companies from the around the world for support and if i do live past the hot war between the u.s.g. and the kremlin, then i want to get killed by an arab trying to help israelis out and without the israelis ever feeling uncomfortable with my presence).

so the State of really isn't a true apartheid State like SA was after 1948. as eskimospy pointed out, Israelis are smart enough to not value order over creativity and democracy (in contrast to the small number of good white people in south africa who did after 1948). The early calvinist settlers in africa were similar to the israelis of today while sometime down the road, Israelis may (or not) become a miserable people. but now, it is a democratic caste system and probably the most democratic government with the most democratic nation currently in the world. it may (or not) become a true apartheid state if the Jewish population drops somewhere below 50%. even if it does, then their national sovereignty should be respected because jews are gifted and because it is up to the palestinians and jews to negotiate w/ each other and indepdently of any arbitrary power. i want all future generations of israelis to enjoy their land forever.

Ron who??

a jewish friend of mine (an ESTP and mechanic) thought that ron paul was jewish when the former first saw the latter on TV.

 

[alcoholbob]

a jewish friend of mine (an ESTP and mechanic) thought that ron paul was jewish when the former first saw the latter on TV.

It must have been after the 1980s because he looked totally different back then. Also his voice has become progressively more high pitched

 

[Whiskey16]

I honestly believe that there's zero chance of a peace deal no matter who is in charge of Israel. No one can make a 'zero chance' worse. Zero is simply zero.

Fern

Fern doesn't see how it may possibly be antagonising and an imposition against peace for a state to ethnically cleanse the native inhabitants and illegally expropriate their territory, while imposing decades supremacist and bigoted long martial law upon the native inhabitant of the occupied territory.

In Fern's manufactured and falsified world, Israel is not in control of the situation, provoking nothing, and therefore the cessation of non-existant extraterritorial crimes by Israel (as have truly been exacerbated by Netanyahu) could possibly change the situation as they don't exist......

Fern, in quite a few threads you have run away when challenged upon points you bring up to justify Israel's positions and actions. Notably the sad thread calling for the hopeful removal of Palestinians into the Sinai desert, and question how Abbas could turn from such a wonderfully imaginary deal that genocide (removal of a population into a desert) could provide...