Discussion Bill Clinton: ‘There Is a Limit’ to How Many Migrants U.S. Can Take

[13Gigatons]

https://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-limit-many-migrants-225312393.html

Former president Bill Clinton said in a recent interview that “there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can take without causing disruption.

Clinton’s comments came during an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, who asked, “Now what you have is a lot of people who are essentially economic migrants . . . essentially gaming the system, using the asylum as a way to get in. Isn’t it true that there has to be some order placed on this? Some control?”

“I agree with that,” Clinton replied. “That is, there is a limit to how many migrants any society can take without severe disruption and assistance, and our system is based much more on an assumption that things would be more normal,” Clinton said on a CNN podcast with Zakaria.

Clinton’s comments come as border agents have recorded more than 2.1 million migrant encounters this fiscal year, including more than 200,000 encounters last month alone.

The 76-year-old former president recalled a time when he was young in which Mexican migrants traveled back and forth across the border to work in agriculture, saying it “worked for people at the time.”

“It’s an old story, but now you’ve got the largest number of refugees since World War II because of Syria and now Ukraine and other problems,” he said.

He went on to criticize Texas governor Greg Abbott for busing more than 10,000 migrants from the border to “sanctuary cities” to draw attention to the border crisis.

“What’s happening in Venezuela, more than 2 million refugees pouring into first Colombia then nearby countries, has created unprecedented new challenges and meanwhile provides opportunities for stunts like Gov. Abbott’s — sending his refugees to some place that he thinks is advocating for a broad-minded policy that it doesn’t have to live with,” he said.

He also criticized Florida governor Ron DeSantis, who sent 50 migrants via plane from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard.

“DeSantis sending those people to Martha’s Vineyard was amazing. That may come back to haunt him a little bit,” the former president said.

Clinton acknowledged in his own 1995 State of the Union address as president that “All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.”

He added at the time:

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

Clinton later signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

He was pretty aggressive about deporting people, so I give him credit for that. I wish Biden would take some advice from Clinton and Obama.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yup, Biden should deport the Jan 6 crowd and all the people who claim the election was rigged, namely everybody in the Republican party.

 

[senseamp]

As long as they are doing jobs that need to be done, we aren't at that limit.

 

[Drach]

https://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-limit-many-migrants-225312393.html

He was pretty aggressive about deporting people, so I give him credit for that. I wish Biden would take some advice for Clinton and Obama.

I'm pretty sure Biden has deported 3 times the amount of people that Clinton did by year so what is your point?

 

[HomerJS]

https://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-limit-many-migrants-225312393.html

He was pretty aggressive about deporting people, so I give him credit for that. I wish Biden would take some advice for Clinton and Obama.

You party’s leader demonizes immigrants of color and from “ shothole” countries. He also said he prefers his immigrants from Norway

 

[Indus]

Trading Trumpanzees for Economic Migrants.. Room for 74 million!

 

[13Gigatons]

I'm pretty sure Biden has deported 3 times the amount of people that Clinton did by year so what is your point?

I really doubt that:

#21. Grover Cleveland Total Deportations: 9,069
#20. William McKinley Total Deportations: 13,763
#19. Warren G. Harding Total Deportations: 60,652
#18. Theodore Roosevelt Total Deportations: 80,269
#17. William Howard Taft Total Deportations: 83,150
#16. John F. Kennedy Total Deportations: 122,753
#15. Woodrow Wilson Total Deportations: 162,371
#14. Herbert Hoover Total Deportations: 170,044
#13. Calvin Coolidge Total Deportations: 199,871
#12. Franklin D. Roosevelt Total Deportations: 286,816
#11. Lyndon B. Johnson Total Deportations: 740,175
#10. Richard Nixon Total Deportations: 2,014,334
#9. Gerald Ford Total Deportations: 2,412,244
#8. Dwight D. Eisenhower Total Deportations: 2,616,732
#7. Harry Truman Total Deportations: 2,944,384
#6. Jimmy Carter Total Deportations: 3,633,256
#5. Barack Obama Total Deportations: 3,805,552
#4. George H. W. Bush Total Deportations: 4,161,683
#3. Ronald Reagan Total Deportations: 8,276,853
#2. George W. Bush Total Deportations: 10,328,850
#1. Bill Clinton Total Deportations: 12,290,905

 

[Indus]

You party’s leader demonizes immigrants of color and from “ shothole” countries. He also said he prefers his immigrants from Norway

Yeah but Norway has full state funded healthcare and funding for universal basic living if someone doesn't want to work. I play WoW with some norweigens who don't wanna work. They're taken care of and get a apartment and utilities and universal basic income.

So why the fuck would they want to immigrate to the USA?

Pretty much the case with all of western europe.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I really doubt that:

You do realize those totals are based off of the completion of their term(s) in office. That is the total of Bill's 8 years as President, which is why you don't see Biden on that list as he is only 1.75 years into his first term.

It doesn't mean you won't be right in the end, but it's to soon to determine based on term totals.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah but Norway has full state funded healthcare and funding for universal basic living if someone doesn't want to work. I play WoW with some norweigens who don't wanna work. They're taken care of and get a apartment and utilities and universal basic income.

So why the fuck would they want to immigrate to the USA?

Pretty much the case with all of western europe.

The Scandinavian countries are quite different from most of the rest of Western Europe.

 

[sportage]

“there is a limit” to how many migrants the United States can take without causing disruption.

What? WHAT???
Face it America... WE NEED MIGRANTS and IMMIGRANTS, legal or not.
Legal or not!!!
Since Trump threatened to build that wall, and illegal immigrants have been threatened, locked up like animals, and played as political pawns, since then America hasn't had a decent staffed fast food restaurant. Nor, a decently staffed restaurant of any kind.

Everything closes at 6 pm. Many establishments skip days all together. No one is staffed in customer service. Grocery stores are closing much too early. Walmart once operated 24/7, but no more. You can't get a decent burger, no one will fix your roof, store shelves are bare, no one will mow your lawn, and the disruption to life goes on and on.

Face it.... Americans just do not want to work those go-nowhere, low pay jobs. However.... the illegals will. Gladly will. And once did until a fat orange paranoid piss-ant was elected by racist idiots then screwed everything up.
Illegal immigrants have never been too proud to fill those job vacancies, as Americans are. WE NEED ILLEGALS. We need illegals who are willing to work. All those immigrants waiting to cross the border should be allowed in, given an apron and a job assignment, then bussed to their new American job.

THEN, maybe America could go back to some kind of normalcy post Covid, post Trump i.e. the two great American plagues.
Walmart could open 24/7 once again, you could once again get a burger after 6 pm, you could visit your favorite restaurant and enjoy the experience well into the midnight hours.

Until America accepts illegals, welcomes illegals, admits the value of the illegal immigrant, and respects the stability the illegal immigrant brings to a community, until that day things will never return back to "normal" in America.
Come-on people, you know I'm right....

 

[Pens1566]

I really doubt that:

You can't be this stupid, can you?

 

[eelw]

So why the fuck would they want to immigrate to the USA?

But that just shows how horrid the conditions are in the country they are fleeing to still want to come to the shithole country called America. And even though they walked through Central America, they won’t continue the trek into Canada let alone all the way to Norway

 

[dank69]

You can't be this stupid, can you?

Why yes, yes he can.

 

[dank69]

I really doubt that:

Which absolute garbage source did you use here?

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President

Trump may be getting closer to Obama's recent policy.

abcnews.go.com

 

[dank69]

Best I can find for Biden is he was at 700,000 way back in January this year. 700,000 in one year...

 

[Lanyap]

I really doubt that:

That list is from 2015.

List: Presidents With The Most Deportations on their Watch

Deportations from the U.S. have increased greatly over the last few decades. A look at how each president ranks in terms of total deportations.

amuedge.com

Here are stats from a 2019 report. Looks like Obama with Biden as his VP deported the highest number per year. Heh, those evil demorat illegal alien loving bastages.

Deportation Rates in Historical Perspective

President Obama removed more people from the United States, no matter how you dice the numbers than any other president.

www.cato.org

Removals Per President

President	Removals	Removals Per Year	Political Party	Years in Office
Benjamin Harrison	2,801	2,801	Republican	1
Grover Cleveland	9,069	2,267	Democrat	4
William McKinley	17,642	3,528	Republican	5
Theodore Roosevelt	76,390	10,913	Republican	7
William H. Taft	83,150	20,788	Republican	4
Woodrow Wilson	162,371	20,296	Democrat	8
Warren G. Harding	60,652	20,217	Republican	3
Calvin Coolidge	164,913	32,983	Republican	5
Herbert Hoover	110,275	27,569	Republican	4
Franklin D. Roosevelt	171,939	13,226	Democrat	13
Harry S. Truman	140,553	20,079	Democrat	7
Dwight D. Eisenhower	110,019	13,752	Republican	8
John F. Kennedy	23,969	7,990	Democrat	3
Lyndon B. Johnson	48,737	9,747	Democrat	5
Richard M. Nixon	81,022	16,204	Republican	5
Gerald R. Ford	82,316	27,439	Republican	3
Jimmy Carter	105,378	26,345	Democrat	4
Ronald Reagan	168,364	21,046	Republican	8
George Bush	141,326	35,332	Republican	4
Bill Clinton	869,646	108,706	Democrat	8
George W. Bush	2,012,539	251,567	Republican	8
Barack Obama	3,066,457	383,307	Democrat	8
Donald J. Trump	551,449	275,725	Republican	2

 

[NWRMidnight]

That list is from 2015.

List: Presidents With The Most Deportations on their Watch

Deportations from the U.S. have increased greatly over the last few decades. A look at how each president ranks in terms of total deportations.

amuedge.com

Here are stats from a 2019 report. Looks like Obama with Biden as his VP deported the highest number per year. Heh, those evil demorat illiegal alien loving bastages.

Deportation Rates in Historical Perspective

President Obama removed more people from the United States, no matter how you dice the numbers than any other president.

www.cato.org

Removals Per President

President	Removals	Removals Per Year	Political Party	Years in Office
Benjamin Harrison	2,801	2,801	Republican	1
Grover Cleveland	9,069	2,267	Democrat	4
William McKinley	17,642	3,528	Republican	5
Theodore Roosevelt	76,390	10,913	Republican	7
William H. Taft	83,150	20,788	Republican	4
Woodrow Wilson	162,371	20,296	Democrat	8
Warren G. Harding	60,652	20,217	Republican	3
Calvin Coolidge	164,913	32,983	Republican	5
Herbert Hoover	110,275	27,569	Republican	4
Franklin D. Roosevelt	171,939	13,226	Democrat	13
Harry S. Truman	140,553	20,079	Democrat	7
Dwight D. Eisenhower	110,019	13,752	Republican	8
John F. Kennedy	23,969	7,990	Democrat	3
Lyndon B. Johnson	48,737	9,747	Democrat	5
Richard M. Nixon	81,022	16,204	Republican	5
Gerald R. Ford	82,316	27,439	Republican	3
Jimmy Carter	105,378	26,345	Democrat	4
Ronald Reagan	168,364	21,046	Republican	8
George Bush	141,326	35,332	Republican	4
Bill Clinton	869,646	108,706	Democrat	8
George W. Bush	2,012,539	251,567	Republican	8
Barack Obama	3,066,457	383,307	Democrat	8
Donald J. Trump	551,449	275,725	Republican	2

There seems to be some fuckery going on between those sources.. Lets take Bill Clinton for example. First one says he deported over 12 million during his term. The other says only 800K.... I suspect the first source is the same source 13Gigatons used, and most likely is not remotely accurate.

 

[pauldun170]

Maybe merge this thread with this one for shits and giggles

Population Decline and the Fall of the Developed World

The greatest threat to the developed world in the 21st century isn't climate change. It's not fascism or communism. It's not peak oil or any other kind of resource depletion. It is population decline. And while it seems this coming crisis is rarely if ever discussed by politicians, academia, the...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[mikeymikec]

He was pretty aggressive about deporting people, so I give him credit for that.

Honestly, are you trying to tell us that you hate immigrants? Bigotry aside, rating Presidents by the number of deportations is about as useful as rating them by the amount of legal immigrations in or out the country during their time, or say by the number of minutes they spent on phone calls or writing letters.

 

[soundforbjt]

That list is from 2015.

List: Presidents With The Most Deportations on their Watch

Deportations from the U.S. have increased greatly over the last few decades. A look at how each president ranks in terms of total deportations.

amuedge.com

Here are stats from a 2019 report. Looks like Obama with Biden as his VP deported the highest number per year. Heh, those evil demorat illiegal alien loving bastages.

Deportation Rates in Historical Perspective

President Obama removed more people from the United States, no matter how you dice the numbers than any other president.

www.cato.org

Removals Per President

President	Removals	Removals Per Year	Political Party	Years in Office
Benjamin Harrison	2,801	2,801	Republican	1
Grover Cleveland	9,069	2,267	Democrat	4
William McKinley	17,642	3,528	Republican	5
Theodore Roosevelt	76,390	10,913	Republican	7
William H. Taft	83,150	20,788	Republican	4
Woodrow Wilson	162,371	20,296	Democrat	8
Warren G. Harding	60,652	20,217	Republican	3
Calvin Coolidge	164,913	32,983	Republican	5
Herbert Hoover	110,275	27,569	Republican	4
Franklin D. Roosevelt	171,939	13,226	Democrat	13
Harry S. Truman	140,553	20,079	Democrat	7
Dwight D. Eisenhower	110,019	13,752	Republican	8
John F. Kennedy	23,969	7,990	Democrat	3
Lyndon B. Johnson	48,737	9,747	Democrat	5
Richard M. Nixon	81,022	16,204	Republican	5
Gerald R. Ford	82,316	27,439	Republican	3
Jimmy Carter	105,378	26,345	Democrat	4
Ronald Reagan	168,364	21,046	Republican	8
George Bush	141,326	35,332	Republican	4
Bill Clinton	869,646	108,706	Democrat	8
George W. Bush	2,012,539	251,567	Republican	8
Barack Obama	3,066,457	383,307	Democrat	8
Donald J. Trump	551,449	275,725	Republican	2

According to this Biden has more in 1.5 years than trump had in 2 full years.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Honestly, are you trying to tell us that you hate immigrants? Bigotry aside, rating Presidents by the number of deportations is about as useful as rating them by the amount of legal immigrations in or out the country during their time, or say by the number of minutes they spent on phone calls or writing letters.

OP is devolving into a right wing nutter.

You can't be this stupid, can you?

Sadly he seems to be.

Maybe merge this thread with this one for shits and giggles

Population Decline and the Fall of the Developed World

The greatest threat to the developed world in the 21st century isn't climate change. It's not fascism or communism. It's not peak oil or any other kind of resource depletion. It is population decline. And while it seems this coming crisis is rarely if ever discussed by politicians, academia, the...

forums.anandtech.com

Wow, what the fuck is happening. Its like Vic is the centrist version of right wing dumbfucks or something.

 

[dank69]

There seems to be some fuckery going on between those sources.. Lets take Bill Clinton for example. First one says he deported over 12 million during his term. The other says only 800K.... I suspect the first source is the same source 13Gigatons used, and most likely is not remotely accurate.

The amuedge one says they are counting voluntary departures along with deportations. American Military University, where you can probably major in crayon eating.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The amuedge one says they are counting voluntary departures along with deportations. American Military University, where you can probably major in crayon eating.

and minor in glue sniffing.

 

[nOOky]

If you listen to Bill Clinton's 1995 state of the union speech you'll understand where Trump got his rhetoric from. Trump used to donate to the Clintons, as of today Clinton's speech would sound pretty far right.