Bike engine dying on me

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Fallingwater

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I have a three-and-a-half year old Kawasaki ER-6F, aka Ninja 650R to you americans. It's always been a bit sensitive about operating temperature - if I started riding it before the engine had come off the automatic choke, it had a tendency to die after acceleration and when stopping at red lights. This would last until the engine got to operating temperature and came off the choke, then it'd operate normally.
As it's my main means of locomotion I don't always have the time to let it idle about two minutes when I start it up before I go (though I do always let it idle for 10-20 seconds to avoid thermal-shocking cold parts of the engine), so this has always irritated me, but it was usually not a big problem.

As time has gone by, however, this has become more of an issue. Now the cold has come again, and keeping the engine running has become troublesome - it now has a tendency to die even after it's come off the choke, for a while at least. The dying doesn't stop until it gets properly hot; then, it works properly - but in the cold months and in short-range city riding, it can easily happen that it never gets hot enough. I've actually developed the instinct to never let the throttle off completely when riding in the city, but I often forget.

The bike is soon due for maintenance, and I'm planning to ask the trained monkeys at Kawasaki to check the injectors - I suspect they might have become clogged - but I'll so not be surprised if they apparently fix it, and then it resumes this irritating behaviour after two hours.

What do you think could be happening here?

Thanks.
 
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EightySix Four

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Yeah, but he said its a 650R.. Those are injected.

If it's fuel injected that means the change is most likely happening when it goes from closed loop to open loop in the ECU. I don't know much about the engine management in bikes, but that means there is probably something wrong with one of the sensors such as the O2 sensor, MAF, or some other.
 

MiataNC

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Looks like a possible solution here..
http://www.kawiforums.com/ninja-650r-er6/152880-rough-cold-starting.html

My '08 650 has an issue when being started below 60 deg. temps. Sometimes it will crank over and run for a few seconds sluggishly then die out. If I start it again, it will run fine and bump up to its "warm up idle" speed........

Well, after a lot of browsing, I finally figured out my problem. On the attached picture, notice the screw that has yellow paint on the spring. That's the cold start fast-idle set screw. Mine had moved somehow. If you've been having or see someone with the same problem, check that out. CCW raises the fast idle by ~500 RPM per turn and CW lowers it. Remember the bike has to be cold to test it out
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What's odd is that I didn't see mention of this setting in the service manual... I'm guessing that it's factory set and supposed to stay.
I also recommend having the throttle bodies sync'd and the idle air bleeds checked.
 

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I suppoose I used the wrong terms. By "choke" I meant the automatic "warm-up" idle speed, where the engine is slightly accelerated when compared to warmed-up idle speed. I assumed the ECU was basically doing what the choke used to do back in the days of carburated engines.

Thanks for that link :)
 
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