biggest adjustment from windows to linux (desktop)

dsa1971

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for those of you who have switched from windows desktop to some distro of linux desktop what would you consider to be your biggest hurdle?

I have installed pclinuxos on an old computer and have been messing around with it. I've already run into an issue with getting the correct print driver installed for a printer I have on the network. After some searching on the web I have found a solution (hopefully) but I really will have to jump through some hoops to get it to work. I look at it as a learning experience and it's not a big deal right now because my linux computer is just for learning for now.
 

Bateluer

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I haven't switched permanently, but I muck around with it from time to time. For me, installing new drivers, software, and getting DVDs to play are all major hurdles.

I like to simply double click on a file, click next, change a file path, click next, wait, then run the app. I do not like mucking around with command lines at all.

With the DVDs, last I toyed with linux, there was no distro that let you play a DVD movie out of the box. And all the open source players were under major litigation for 'cracking' the DVD encryption. So getting a player to work was a royal pain in the butt.
 

nweaver

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I think windows installs are more of a pain then linux w/package managment. How many clicks is there it install IIS....emerge apache works easier. (or apt-get install apache, for those debian fanboys:D)

The biggest hurdle for me was getting used to the advanced stuff like multiple desktops and sudoing things to get stuff done. I have a tv and dvd player for playing dvd's, I see no reason to do it on my computer. And regarding the printer drive, I used to do support for HP. It can be a biotch in windows too (I've sent people off to reinstall windows to fix their printing problems. That's pretty bad). Keep at it. My personal favorite sites for linux stuff is linuxquestions and gentoo forums
 

TonyRic

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dsa, there is a forum on pclinux's website that can better help you with these issues. But, printing on a network in linux is no more difficult than in windows. You are just in the middle of your learning curve.
 

pcthuglife

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my switch was completely painless which is why I use linux fulltime now and ditched windows all together. the only things I do on my home computer are internet, e-mail, IM, and php scripting. so I use text editor (way better than word pad), firefox, thunderbird, and gaim. hmmm not too different from windows :)
 

kamper

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The hardest part is just getting used to the different concepts. I didn't really get into linux until I decided to take it slowly. I found a distro that I liked and started using it for the common desktop things: browsing, email, coding... I kept a windows desktop right next to it for the non-dead simple stuff like media, burning, printing, etc. Then it's easy to learn stuff bit by bit.

I never fully switched because I bought a PowerBook which is now my main desktop but I'm almost at the point where I'd go all linux with no windows/osx if I needed to.
 

Zelmo3

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Huh, I'm kind of surprised by some of the things that have been hurdles for people. Like printer drivers, playing DVDs, multiple desktops. My biggest hurdle was probably getting 3D graphics working, but that was before nVidia and ATi had decent installers for their drivers. Stuff that used to be tricky has gotten easier (like getting on a VPN), and it's been trending that way since the beginning.
 

pack1

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Getting 3D acceleration with my ati card was definitely the hardest but worth it.
 

Nothinman

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As kamper says, the hardest part is getting used to how differently things are done. Once I stopped trying to emulate Windows and looked for the best Linux solution things became a lot easier and made a lot more sense. Now I see things through a different set of eyes, Windows is a huge, complicated and inflexible beast and everytime I have to do something other than read email or run a few custom tools for work I get frustrated at how complicated MS makes everything.

I like being able to use 'apt-cache search', dselect, aptitude, etc to find and install software without dealing with all of the crap on the Internet. No popups, no shareware, no registration, etc just software.

I'm also much better at reading documentation. In the Windows world it's common to just click on setup.exe, click randomly and hope for the best but you can't do that on any unix platform. You learn to read the README, look at the website, look at mailing list archives, etc so that you can actually understand the product and in general it saves a lot of time in the long run. A lot of times if I install an app and it doesn't come with any docs I just remove it and look for another one, very rarely is a piece of software worth all the time it takes to learn something by trial and error.

I like to simply double click on a file, click next, change a file path, click next, wait, then run the app. I do not like mucking around with command lines at all.

How is that easier than typing "apt-get install mozilla-firefox"? Or running Synaptic, searching for firefox and clicking install?

With the DVDs, last I toyed with linux, there was no distro that let you play a DVD movie out of the box. And all the open source players were under major litigation for 'cracking' the DVD encryption. So getting a player to work was a royal pain in the butt.

You can thank the MPAA for that, but even with the legal ambiguity of DVD players on Linux most of them are simple to install. Worst case you end up adding an extra repository to your package manager and installing libdvdcss like http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback says.
 

shortylickens

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My biggest hurdle was simple file viewing and directory structure.
A hurdle I didnt clear. Ended up leaving linux.

And I did try the live-cd media player linux.
It lets you watch DVD's without any hassle.
 

minofifa

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for me it was seeing my Hard drives (SATA) and mounting drives in general, i still don't get it. it seems likee a huge pain to have to mount and unmount drives all the time when you can simply click on them in windows, am i missing something?

also configuring my hardware (especially installing drivers) was unclear to me. i could not get 3d acceleration working. guess i just need to do more reading on it.
 

nweaver

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Filesystems/drive mounting are one thing that actually made SENSE. Your file tree should not be dictated by physical/logical volumes. It should be the tree, and your drives conform around it. I really love the way Linux does mounting, and the tree in general. Adding disks because one is full is easier too. With windows, it's basiclly impossible, where as in linux, you add it, format, copy the files and add a mount point to fstab. Reboot, and that drive is now running.
 

dsa1971

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Originally posted by: TonyRic
dsa, there is a forum on pclinux's website that can better help you with these issues. But, printing on a network in linux is no more difficult than in windows. You are just in the middle of your learning curve.

to some extent I would agree except I think there is an exception here with my particular brother printer. I've gone to linuxprinting.org and have found possible solutions but the forums there have listed that the brother mfc printers are not exactly linux friendly.

 

BlueWeasel

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Originally posted by: nweaver
Filesystems/drive mounting are one thing that actually made SENSE. Your file tree should not be dictated by physical/logical volumes. It should be the tree, and your drives conform around it. I really love the way Linux does mounting, and the tree in general. Adding disks because one is full is easier too. With windows, it's basiclly impossible, where as in linux, you add it, format, copy the files and add a mount point to fstab. Reboot, and that drive is now running.

That's one thing that I haven't been able to grasp. Granted, I haven't used Linux much and it's still a work in progress -- but, the whole filesystem/mounting thing seems so illogical to me at this point.

I know it's because Linux is still overwhelming at this point and Windows/DOS has been "IT" for so long. I'm not knocking the Linux system at all....I'm just haven't caught on yet. ;)
 

TGS

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Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Originally posted by: nweaver
Filesystems/drive mounting are one thing that actually made SENSE. Your file tree should not be dictated by physical/logical volumes. It should be the tree, and your drives conform around it. I really love the way Linux does mounting, and the tree in general. Adding disks because one is full is easier too. With windows, it's basiclly impossible, where as in linux, you add it, format, copy the files and add a mount point to fstab. Reboot, and that drive is now running.

That's one thing that I haven't been able to grasp. Granted, I haven't used Linux much and it's still a work in progress -- but, the whole filesystem/mounting thing seems so illogical to me at this point.

I know it's because Linux is still overwhelming at this point and Windows/DOS has been "IT" for so long. I'm not knocking the Linux system at all....I'm just haven't caught on yet. ;)

Actually Linux is using the Unix/BSD method of mounting volumes. Albeit through a different configuration file but the idea is more or less the same. Windows is the odd ball in the way you access drives, not the other way around. Windows has a larger market share so people may view the lettered approach as the defacto method, but it's not how (post mainframe) volumes are managed.

If you look at the progress with Microsofts approach to volume management, you'll see they are edging much closer to a true unix styled concept. The major differences are the 300+ permission flags as opposed to 3(in the traditional sense).

Take this example. You have a Linux system. You have the default install directory tree set up. You are User A, and your home directory is "/home/userA". One day you hit your disk space limit. Prior to Windows 2000, in the windows world it meant moving your "C:\windows\user and settings\userA" (or whatever it was called before) to another area or buying a new disk.

In the Linux world, you could take a spare partition and mount it under "/home/userA" as say "home/userA/newPartition". The new partition would seamlessly give you space underneth your existing home directory without touching your existing data. You could than move your files do to "newPartition" and get back in business.

It's also flexible in the notion that for specific applications, say Apache, you could mount multiple drives under the same directory for a nice clean directory tree. IE, Apache is installed to "/usr/local/apache". The logs are in "/usr/local/apache/log". Along with served pages are in "/usr/local/apache/frontPage". Apache, log, and frontPage can all be three seperate partitions, though it doesn't require the usage of three letters to accomplish this.

What the administrator sees is much simpler than a windows setup. In windows you would be required to have something like Apache installed to C:\Program Files\Apache, the logs in D:\Program Files\Apache\Logs, and the Front page in E:\Program Files\Apache\Front Page. That is if you wanted to split them across three partitions, perhaps for backend storage purposes.

The Unix style approach is much more sane, once you start to manipulate partitions and try to bring them into a streamlined logic view.

Why would you want to flip back and forth between disks to view information related to the same program?



Edit: Forgot to mention my biggest hurdles where just the differences in the way things are accomplished from the OSes. Once you learn the basics they are both fairly easy to use. Both have their pros and cons, and of course the oddities that you run into. Though if you don't mind spending a little time learing to begin with, and the applications you desire are on the OSS side it's well worth it in the long run. It may not always be the best solution(think recently release games). Though it is a very viable alternative, in most respects.

Early on, printers (figuring out the compatible drivers, same as on windows really). Ati video drivers. Compiling the kernel was a little daunting, but they've streamlined the process for the most part.

For me it's just nice to know how an OS works, as you can delve into the inner workings. Also if you load a service, or driver you don't have to reboot and hope it works... ;)
 

Nothinman

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it seems likee a huge pain to have to mount and unmount drives all the time when you can simply click on them in windows, am i missing something?

There are tools to automatically mount things for you in both Gnome and KDE AFAIK. But in general it's not a big deal at all, at the most it's one extra motion before you can use the thing.

also configuring my hardware (especially installing drivers) was unclear to me. i could not get 3d acceleration working. guess i just need to do more reading on it.

That's because you have an ATI card, their drivers are crap.

but, the whole filesystem/mounting thing seems so illogical to me at this point.

So it makes more sense to assign volumes random letters? How does e:\ make more sense than /mnt/data?