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big SUVs may be illegal on many CA streets

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Hardly fair of them to use GVWR. That includes the maximum possible payload (including all passengers and cargo), which in many trucks can exceed well over 1,000 lbs. In many cases, I imagine that the curb weight of an SUV and some luxury vehicle might be similar at around 5k lbs. and that both would get more or less equal gas mileage and do equal road damage, but the possible payload of the SUV or truck causes its GVWR to exceed 6k. The hyprocracy is stunning...
 
nothing in that article about personal freedom persay.

just saying that the fact that the law that passed long ago and is permitted to be upheld is constantly violated by big suv's (6k gross wieght or larger

As it stands now, big-SUV drivers have it both ways: They use their trucklike status when it benefits them, yet they ignore the more onerous restrictions that "real" truck drivers face.
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He's just exploring the fact that people claim their suv's as tax writeoff's yet do not have to claim them. And though not everyone does this, to drive a suv with a gross weight of 10k+ is against a law that previously existed in california.

definatley interesting read, though nothing will happen from it i'm sure.
 
I believe if you live there or have some kind of business being there it is legal to drive there. The same thing applies to large delivery vehicles, trash trucks, moving trucks, etc. which exceed posted limits, but are legal because they need to be there. It is not legal however for them to just be "passing through".
 
I would love to see the SUV be classified individually as a class by itself. This would force many more regulations down the throats of the manufacturers to make them safer, more fuel efficient and less polluting.
 
fair and should be enforced cause the laws are on the book to prevent excessive damage and wear / tear to the road. if they made a corolla that for some reason weighed more than 6000 pounds, i'd be in favor of giving it a ticket too.
 
Originally posted by: Mday
I would love to see the SUV be classified individually as a class by itself. This would force many more regulations down the throats of the manufacturers to make them safer, more fuel efficient and less polluting.
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Thats what I'm thinking. I'm sure people that bought SUVs were happy to get the tax breaks that were explained in the article. But then they'll do a flip-flop when they find it is illegal to drive their "trucks" on certain streets and say "well thats not fair" and call it a stupid law. Too bad you can't pick and choose which laws to follow. It's really too bad that it doesn't seem to even be enforced.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
yea, who needs personal freedom anyway.
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At the expense of others? Nobody.
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Please detail this expense. You may not include: (1) the price of gas as SUV owners pay for their own AND there are many passenger cars that get just as poor gas mileage, and (2) road maintenance as because SUV owners buy more gas they also pay more in gas taxes which in turn pays for the roads.

I strongly believe that the 6k lb GVWR tax loophole needs to be closed, but the rest of the SUV-hater argument doesn't hold much water, even though I hate those lumbering tanks on the road as much as anyone. My 3,500 lb GVWR daily driver car gets 22 mpg on average, while my 5,500 lb GVWR camping-and-hauling-stuff Toyota truck gets 16 mpg. Woohoo :roll:

The problem with most people is that they always think some law needs to be passed banning something just because they personal don't like it or perceive it as some type of personal incovenience. Stupid, stupid, stupid, selfish, selfish, selfish. All that really needs to be done is remove the currently-in-place incentives to buy large SUVs, and people will buy less of them. Simple as that.
 
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
yea, who needs personal freedom anyway.
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Personal freedom? Jesus f'ing christ. What's wrong with this country. You know, there's a point where you have to do something, nto only about our environment (which is California's major problem), but also about pollution.

If tomorrow, the government mandated that every car sold in 2007 would have to get at least 30mpg, you'd have innovations on the internal combustion engine in the next two and a half years that would blow your mind. But instead, b1tchy Americans like yourself (sorry, you made the comment) complain about their "right to freedom of choice" (not a real thing in the first place) being infringed upon.

Britain started running out of wood centuries ago and found out about coal BECAUSE the government mandated that people stop burning wood so much. You have a finite resource, it runs low, you fix it. It's as simple as that.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
yea, who needs personal freedom anyway.
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At the expense of others? Nobody.
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Please detail this expense. You may not include: (1) the price of gas as SUV owners pay for their own AND there are many passenger cars that get just as poor gas mileage, and (2) road maintenance as because SUV owners buy more gas they also pay more in gas taxes which in turn pays for the roads.
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If one hits a car at moderate to high speeds the occupants of the car are generally toast. Further, they tend to attract the scared type of driver who needs a fortress around them to feel comfortable and can't drive for sh*t (read: a lot of women) who cause said accidents in the first place. They also obstruct others' view, which can lead to said accidents and contribute to other accidents.
 
Originally posted by: Captain_Howdy
Originally posted by: Mday
I would love to see the SUV be classified individually as a class by itself. This would force many more regulations down the throats of the manufacturers to make them safer, more fuel efficient and less polluting.
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Thats what I'm thinking. I'm sure people that bought SUVs were happy to get the tax breaks that were explained in the article. But then they'll do a flip-flop when they find it is illegal to drive their "trucks" on certain streets and say "well thats not fair" and call it a stupid law. Too bad you can't pick and choose which laws to follow. It's really too bad that it doesn't seem to even be enforced.
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Yeah really. The biggest SUVs out there are still not even close to being as big as the biggest pickup trucks out there. The quadcab long bed full sized pickups can stretch to about 250 inches long, while an Escalade for instance is around 200 inches long.. or about as long as many full sized sedans. In fact there are full sized sedans that are just as wide and long as a full sized SUV, which in the end would take up as much space as an SUV in terms of maneuvering around small streets.
 
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: ironcrotch
yea, who needs personal freedom anyway.
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At the expense of others? Nobody.
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Please detail this expense. You may not include: (1) the price of gas as SUV owners pay for their own AND there are many passenger cars that get just as poor gas mileage, and (2) road maintenance as because SUV owners buy more gas they also pay more in gas taxes which in turn pays for the roads.
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If one hits a car at moderate to high speeds the occupants of the car are generally toast. Further, they tend to attract the scared type of driver who needs a fortress around them to feel comfortable and can't drive for sh*t (read: a lot of women) who cause said accidents in the first place. They also obstruct others' view, which can lead to said accidents and contribute to other accidents.
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Pretty weak. SUVs on average score lower in crash tests than most regular passenger cars. The rest I more or less agree with as well, but includes IMO a lot of generalizations and stereotypes. Not enough to fairly pass a law on.
Read the next part VERY carefully: all that needs to be done is to remove the tax incentive, and people will buy less of these montrosities. No need to pass a law.
 
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