the gtx260 has already been pulled from my pc.
just as its complete speculation that nvidia making less profits is "irrefutable" since no one knows how much they make. Or is it only speculation when it's pro Nv and its fact when its mentioned for AMD?
you critisize my post as speculation, but the post I originally commented on presented Nvidia making less profits than AMD as "irrefutable" fact..... yeah that makes sense.....
Price drops from Nvidia (especially the gtx470) will completely clear the path for the 384 shader gf104 card. I'm saying 3 weeks from this Friday, if we haven't seen full on reviews from Anandtech and all the other major sites for a fully unlocked gf104 based card, to me it will mean Nvidia signaling their surrender to AMD for the rest of 40nm.
I <3 competition.
It's probable that AMD has lower *costs* due to their much lower die sizes. Even if we speculate that Nvidia enjoys "perks" from TSMC it's hard to imagine those perks overcoming that. In terms of *profits* however, it's a well known fact that Nvidia sells far more pro cards than AMD does, which raises their ASPs considerably. Obviously, looking at each company's earnings report will tell you who is making more profits, although that has been changing from quarter to quarter and to make a general statement one needs a long term trend.
LOL @ NVDA fanboys whistling past the graveyard:biggrin::whiste:
POS AMD drivers! Any questions ATI/AMD fanboy? I'll pick NV any day of the week just for that fact, win or lose...![]()
I agree with you that AMD probably has lower costs just based on die size, but overall cost is murkier due to the other factors you and I have mentioned. So I think we can both agree that we have guesses and idea's, but that there's no way for us to say for certain one way or the other. I, psoomah, yourself, nor anyone else that doesn't work for the parties involved.
Hundred bucks. Anything more and I'm sticking with what I've got.
I might get an infraction for this but it must be said, why do you have to thread crap like that in every thread? We know you had issues with yout AMD setup and you moved over to nVidia, what ever floats your boat, but you have to stop making every thread about you. There are countless people happy with their AMD card.POS AMD drivers! Any questions ATI/AMD fanboy? I'll pick NV any day of the week just for that fact, win or lose...![]()
Eh, if that's true that strike the R&D hypothetical, unless of course they hired a bunch of R&D people recently who haven't made anything yet. Silverforce claimed 300 staff just got added, but to what, I don't know.
it is refutable. NV pays way less per wafer than AMD
3 weeks I say!![]()
From a consumer perspective all AMD fans need Nvidia and vice versa to keep prices down!![]()
OH GOD! Should I buy an upgrade for my 4890 or wait for a whole new system rebuild when Bulldozer comes out next year DECISIONS DECISIONS!
Even if true, it's a meaningless measurement.
What matters is cost per functioning chip. And one of the largest parameters of that cost is die size.
Even if true, it's a meaningless measurement.
What matters is cost per functioning chip. And one of the largest parameters of that cost is die size.
and so it begins:
http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/10/21/galaxy_gtx_470_price_drop/
Here is the first big price drop we have seen on the GTX 470. TigerDirect has the Galaxy GTX 470 for $220 after $40 instant savings and $30 MIR. If that is not a deal, I don't know what is.
I think I might end up pulling the trigger before I even see 6870 performance lol.
