Big Price Drops on NVIDIA Cards Coming

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formulav8

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It will still be hard for me to find a bang for your buck better than the 5750 I got for $75 shipped a couple months ago. :)

PS: Going back to the fs/ft forum to see how low the prices will go for you all that are upgrading... :)
 

HurleyBird

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just as its complete speculation that nvidia making less profits is "irrefutable" since no one knows how much they make. Or is it only speculation when it's pro Nv and its fact when its mentioned for AMD?

It's probable that AMD has lower *costs* due to their much lower die sizes. Even if we speculate that Nvidia enjoys "perks" from TSMC it's hard to imagine those perks overcoming that. In terms of *profits* however, it's a well known fact that Nvidia sells far more pro cards than AMD does, which raises their ASPs considerably. Obviously, looking at each company's earnings report will tell you who is making more profits, although that has been changing from quarter to quarter and to make a general statement one needs a long term trend.

you critisize my post as speculation, but the post I originally commented on presented Nvidia making less profits than AMD as "irrefutable" fact..... yeah that makes sense.....

Well, I was going to point out that you were being hypocritical, but I figured that might be rude. There, you forced it out of me.
 

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Price drops from Nvidia (especially the gtx470) will completely clear the path for the 384 shader gf104 card. I'm saying 3 weeks from this Friday, if we haven't seen full on reviews from Anandtech and all the other major sites for a fully unlocked gf104 based card, to me it will mean Nvidia signaling their surrender to AMD for the rest of 40nm.

I am started to feel vindicated (and breathing a small sigh of relief). It looks like Nvidia might be working overtime to get the gtx475 out to AIB's. Apoppin asked nvidia specifically to comment on the gtx460 price cuts, and Nvidia's response was "the price cuts are not temporary and we do not comment on unreleased products."

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21969&start=50#p42269

Now why would Nvidia throw that last bit in there? Hahahaha!

I <3 competition.

Amen to that! It's nice to see AMD pushing the market hard - it's been a long time since we've had a good price war and so many new cards coming out in such a short time span.
 

nyker96

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I like the sound of this price war ... fight fight!

The actual cuts are:

NVIDIA has cut prices of two key SKUs, the GeForce GTX 460 1 GB and GeForce GTX 470:

* GeForce GTX 460 1GB: US $199; &#8364;169 including VAT
* GeForce GTX 470: US $259; &#8364;219 including VAT
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n0x1ous

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It's probable that AMD has lower *costs* due to their much lower die sizes. Even if we speculate that Nvidia enjoys "perks" from TSMC it's hard to imagine those perks overcoming that. In terms of *profits* however, it's a well known fact that Nvidia sells far more pro cards than AMD does, which raises their ASPs considerably. Obviously, looking at each company's earnings report will tell you who is making more profits, although that has been changing from quarter to quarter and to make a general statement one needs a long term trend.

I agree with you that AMD probably has lower costs just based on die size, but overall cost is murkier due to the other factors you and I have mentioned. So I think we can both agree that we have guesses and idea's, but that there's no way for us to say for certain one way or the other. I, psoomah, yourself, nor anyone else that doesn't work for the parties involved.
 
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solofly

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LOL @ NVDA fanboys whistling past the graveyard:biggrin::whiste:

POS AMD drivers! Any questions ATI/AMD fanboy? I'll pick NV any day of the week just for that fact, win or lose...:)


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HurleyBird

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I agree with you that AMD probably has lower costs just based on die size, but overall cost is murkier due to the other factors you and I have mentioned. So I think we can both agree that we have guesses and idea's, but that there's no way for us to say for certain one way or the other. I, psoomah, yourself, nor anyone else that doesn't work for the parties involved.

Exactly :)
 

Sentrosi2121

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Is there any chance of seeing a dual 460s/470s on one board?
<----limited to one x16 slot on his mobo
 

badb0y

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POS AMD drivers! Any questions ATI/AMD fanboy? I'll pick NV any day of the week just for that fact, win or lose...:)
I might get an infraction for this but it must be said, why do you have to thread crap like that in every thread? We know you had issues with yout AMD setup and you moved over to nVidia, what ever floats your boat, but you have to stop making every thread about you. There are countless people happy with their AMD card.
 

RussianSensation

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Eh, if that's true that strike the R&D hypothetical, unless of course they hired a bunch of R&D people recently who haven't made anything yet. Silverforce claimed 300 staff just got added, but to what, I don't know.

R&D is an ongoing annual expense. They probably have teams working on HD7000/8000 and 9000 as we speak. So R&D is not a "hypothetical expense", it's real.
 

Phynaz

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it is refutable. NV pays way less per wafer than AMD

Even if true, it's a meaningless measurement.

What matters is cost per functioning chip. And one of the largest parameters of that cost is die size.
 

RussianSensation

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3 weeks I say! ;)

Surrendering is a company leaving an industry. Like Sega stopping to produce console systems. Even if NV releases faster cards 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 weeks from now, it hasn't surrended; but it did give up market share and first mover product advantage :D

From a consumer perspective all AMD fans need Nvidia and vice versa to keep prices down! :)

***A logical statement in a videocard forum. *** Fanboy brain overload ***.

OH GOD! Should I buy an upgrade for my 4890 or wait for a whole new system rebuild when Bulldozer comes out next year DECISIONS DECISIONS!

If you can't tell that you need an upgrade, then you don't need one. But we all want an upgrade even if we don't need one.
 
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notty22

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Even if true, it's a meaningless measurement.

What matters is cost per functioning chip. And one of the largest parameters of that cost is die size.

And that could be considered a meaningless figure without knowing all the other factors in the equation of their business model.
The same gpu dies from the wafer are used in 2 and 3 thousand dollar workstation cards.
 

n0x1ous

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Even if true, it's a meaningless measurement.

What matters is cost per functioning chip. And one of the largest parameters of that cost is die size.

yes cost per functioning chip is what matters and cost per wafer has a huge effect on that, so how would that make it meaningless when it directly influences the metric that we agree is all that matters?
 

Vdubchaos

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Now that's a price drop

WOW

And 6000 is not even out yet

Another month and 470 is 180

:biggrin:
 

RussianSensation

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and so it begins:

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/10/21/galaxy_gtx_470_price_drop/

Here is the first big price drop we have seen on the GTX 470. TigerDirect has the Galaxy GTX 470 for $220 after $40 instant savings and $30 MIR. If that is not a deal, I don't know what is.

EVGA GTX470 + Mafia 2 for $230 at Newegg.
EVGA GTX460 1GB Superclocked for $190 at Newegg.

$380 GTX460 SLI and $460 GTX470 SLI sure make a $430 GTX480 and $620 HD5870 CF setups seem like the most overpriced piles of **** now lol

Note to myself: ALWAYS wait to purchase a new graphics card if a competitor's launch is imminent. :biggrin:
 
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badb0y

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I think I might end up pulling the trigger before I even see 6870 performance lol.
 

blastingcap

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http://www.techpowerup.com/133109/N...60-and-GTX-470-to-Counter-HD-6800-Threat.html

"With no new SKU for this segment in sight, NVIDIA's immediate reaction is reportedly that of introducing "fairly big" price-cuts on the GeForce GTX 460 duo, the company also plans to cut prices of the high-end GeForce GTX 470. To what extant exactly these price cuts would go is not known, but they will be put into effect either today, or tomorrow. Meanwhile, sources close to AMD told us that in response to this development, the red-team will fine-tune the final pricing of the Radeon HD 6800 series, to step up pressure on the competition. We expect as much as $20 to be cut on the currently expected prices of the Radeon HD 6800 series pair."

I love the smell of price-war napalm in the morning.