Big Kepler news

[SickBeast]

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12803/

TBH I'm disappointed if it's true. I was expecting more than 20-25% faster than the GTX 680.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I had already predicted this despite the specs. Nothing new for me.

 

[Genx87]

Sounds about right imo.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

IMO this will cost at least $150-200+ above the then pricing of the GTX 680. If we are exceptionally lucky then a miracle might bring the differential to $100-125 but that calls for a miracle. 4 GB VRAM means $150-200 or more compared to the GTX 680.

And for current games it will be like 5-15% faster than a 680 OC, at stock that is. If it can be overclocked then that is a different issue

 

[Don Karnage]

512 bit memory bus?

 

[Don Karnage]

IMO this will cost at least $150-200+ above the then pricing of the GTX 680. If we are exceptionally lucky then a miracle might bring the differential to $100-125 but that calls for a miracle. 4 GB VRAM means $150-200 or more compared to the GTX 680.

And for current games it will be like 5-15% faster than a 680 OC, at stock that is. If it can be overclocked then that is a different issue

GTX 685 will be 599.99 IMO

 

[KompuKare]

not too surprising really. I see BK as having to cater for their Tesla range so it will concentrate on compute. While 680 has 1/24 DP performance vs SP, this will have to do a lot better because ATM for some compute stuff, 7750/7770 beats the 680. Wiki says the 680 has 3090 GFLOPS while 580 had 1580. I assume that's SP but for Tesla DP is a must.

So far this generation seems to have gone thus: Nvidia went for SP and gaming performance while AMD went for DP and compute.

Nvidia basically crippled 680s compute because gamers don't need it and they want to sell Teslas for $1000s. AMD on the other hand used the extra transistors from 28nm to beef up compute; for instance 7770 has 1.5 billion transistors vs 1.04 billion for 5770 yet performs about the same. That's a 50% 'compute tax'. I wonder if that's viable since it means Nvidia can cut compute and still perform the same on maybe 70% of the die. Of course, Fusion needs compute to take off....

 

[Don Karnage]

What happens if Nvidia drops the price of the 680 to 399.99 and sells the 685 for 499.99?

 

[dma0991]

I smell OBR written all over it.

 

[SickBeast]

What happens if Nvidia drops the price of the 680 to 399.99 and sells the 685 for 499.99?

That would be great.

What I'm wondering is how useful the 4gb of vram will be. They're already speculating that the 512 bit bus is overkill as well.

 

[Don Karnage]

That would be great.

What I'm wondering is how useful the 4gb of vram will be. They're already speculating that the 512 bit bus is overkill as well.

Everyone... I mean rational people already know the 680 is a mid range card. Dropping it to 399.99 would make it an even better steal and placing the 685 at 499.99 would be incredible. Ofcourse this is all speculation.

 

[Arachnotronic]

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/12803/

TBH I'm disappointed if it's true. I was expecting more than 20-25% faster than the GTX 680.

Most of the improvement will be for the server/HPC market since this thing likely won't be GPGPU gimped.

But I think I will hold off on trying to get a 680 if this thing actually exists.

 

[SickBeast]

Everyone... I mean rational people already know the 680 is a mid range card. Dropping it to 399.99 would make it an even better steal and placing the 685 at 499.99 would be incredible. Ofcourse this is all speculation.

I think it really depends on AMD and on how well the GTX 680 is selling. If AMD can't release a faster card and the GTX 680s are selling like hotcakes, there will be no need for nVidia to drop prices from a business standpoint.

 

[tviceman]

Based on the specs, it should end up having a bigger gap between itself and GK104 as GF110 had to GF114. When comparing both generations, big Kepler has a bigger leap of cores over GK104 AND will have a bigger leap of memory bandwidth. GTX580 was generally 30-40% faster than GTX560ti, so given that I expect big Kepler to be at least 40% faster across the board than GK104.

There is no way the highest end (consumer) video card this chip shows up as will be $499 at release. It will probably be around $649.99 MSRP to start, and will likely (eventually) have two cut down versions that will probably come in at $549.99 and $449.99. This pricing scheme will give room for an updated GK104 based card to come in at around $399.99.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Even if the GTX 680 becomes $399, GTX 685 will be at least $550-600 with a 80% probability. Additional 2GB VRAM that too with a 512bit memory interface is super expensive.

Just the VRAM without any other performance gains is worth over $100. A 4GB card alone will warrant a $100 price increment.

If 2GB GTX 680 is for $400, then 4GB GTX 680 is/would be $475-525, ~500. So for nearly 20% additional performance at stock with much better compute besides being the flagship, nVidia will command a premium of at least an additional $75-150. That means $550-700 for the GTX 685 and more realistically $600-650 if the 2 GB GTX 680 falls to $400ish, otherwise the GTX 685 will probably be upwards of $650+ with current pricing.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4012/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580-the-sli-update

According to this chart, going from 1.5 Gb 480 to 1.5 Gb 580 made 480's price falls by about $80. If that happens again, the 4GB 680 would still be worth $500+ and it is nearly impossible that nvidia will price GTX 685 lower than $550-600. Also, if AMD retains the $550 price tag, nvidia won't price a true king lower especially when it has more brand value as well. They will easily milk it at $600-650. If 7970's price falls to $400 or so, then of course GTX 685 at $500-550 might be possible

 

[Don Karnage]

Even if the GTX 680 becomes $399, GTX 685 will be at least $550-600 with a 80% probability. Additional 2GB VRAM that too with a 512bit memory interface is super expensive.

Just the VRAM without any other performance gains is worth over $100. A 4GB card alone will warrant a $100 price increment.

If 2GB GTX 680 is for $400, then 4GB GTX 680 is/would be $475-525, ~500. So for nearly 20% additional performance at stock with much better compute besides being the flagship, nVidia will command a premium of at least an additional $75-150. That means $550-700 for the GTX 685 and more realistically $600-650 if the 2 GB GTX 680 falls to $400ish, otherwise the GTX 685 will probably be upwards of $650+ with current pricing.

Why do you assume its going to be so expensive? Weren't you one of the people who said the 680 would be 600+ dollars before release?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That late of a release puts it into the realm of a refresh, meaning the 680 could quickly because the 60 of the 7 series.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4012/nvidias-geforce-gtx-580-the-sli-update

According to this chart, going from 1.5 Gb 480 to 1.5 Gb 580 made 480's price falls by about $80. If that happens again, the 4GB 680 would still be worth $500+ and it is nearly impossible that nvidia will price GTX 685 lower than $550-600. Also, if AMD retains the $550 price tag, nvidia won't price a true king lower especially when it has more brand value as well. They will easily milk it at $600-650. If 7970's price falls to $400 or so, then of course GTX 685 at $500-550 might be possible

I would say as more 28nm production comes on line it will be harder and harder to justify selling a 570 or 580 in the 300 dollar price range for Nvidia due to cost. I'd expect the 680 to fill that market as this card fills the 500 dollar range regardless of what AMD does.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

Yes, I said $600, but this is the first time in history that nVidia did it. It wasn't what was expected as a trend.

 

[Quantos]

Uh.

Is it just me or 50% cores and double the memory bandwidth should bring more than 20-25% increase?

 

[aaksheytalwar]

And I based $600 based on GTX 680 being objectively better than 7970 not subjectively. GTX 680 is no reason to upgrade from a 7970 and in some games is a downgrade. It is like comparing GTX 570 to Radeon 6970 not 580 and 6970. So again, it wasn't exactly wrong

 

[SickBeast]

Uh.

Is it just me or 50% cores and double the memory bandwidth should bring more than 20-25% increase?

You're right but it depends on clock speed and other factors.

 

[Stuka87]

So long as TSMC keeps charging high prices for silicon, I don't see the 680 dropping in price anytime soon. And by soon I am thinking this year. And if this chip is as big as rumors say, yields would be even lower for it than for GK104.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

So long as TSMC keeps charging high prices for silicon, I don't see the 680 dropping in price anytime soon. And by soon I am thinking this year. And if this chip is as big as rumors say, yields would be even lower for it than for GK104.

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