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Big Honkin' Speeze - Duron 1200 - Arctic Silver III - cooler than room temp!

Zepper

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Title says it all... The Speeze is the 5F263B1M3 with 80x25 low speed fan. Got it at newegg. Also a copper shim (identical to ThermalTake on newegg from SVC for $3.). Stays under 20 deg.C usually around 15!. I tethered it from the fan grille to the bottom of the PSU to take some the excessive weight off the CPU socket...
. Can't beat this HSF for only $8.!
. My fan's speed sensor wasn't working. RMA'd to newegg for replacement.
:Q
 
Not to rain on your parade but are you sure the results are showing up on the right sensor? For a HS\Fan to drop temps below room temp is an interesting discovery.

Regarding the HS's. I bought two of them from Newegg for my dual PIII's and they can't be beat for the $8 price. Keeps my PIII's at around 27C-29C with a case temp at 30C. I believe the reason it shows sys temp higher than the cpu's is due to the location of the case\board temp sensor in relation to the cpu's. I have intake and exhaust fans flowing room air directly across the HS's which leaves a warm spot in the case which I can see by the sys temp. Although my cpu's usually show lower than the sys temp, the room temp is still lower.

It's usually like this:

Room - 24C
CPU - 29C
Case - 30C
 
I just looked at PC Alert and it says CPU 20, Case 24. Whenever I look at it in the BIOS it's about the same. I'm using it on a new MSI KM2M Combo L mATX mobo. The only OCing tool it has is FSB adjust and I've got it OC'd about 10% right now. This new mobo has a 12V (P4) connector for CPU power - running on a Sparkle 250W without a hiccup ('cept for Winblows). All voltages reading well within spec on the high side.
. I got no complaints.
..bh.
😎
 
It is not possible to cool a CPU to below air temperature using straight air cooling (in this universe, at least) 😀
 
You ought to see this honker. Click here to see it: Honker.
. This thing is over 300 grams with an 80x25mm fan. And I know for a fact that my room temp is over 70F ('cause I'm not uncomfortable in shorts and a t-shirt) and the CPU hardly ever goes over 20C/68F.
.bh.
😛
 
This is physically impossible. the case air can by no means cool the metal heatsink below its own temperature by heat transfer. Your sensor is wrong. Try touching the heatsink on several sides after stressing the cpu.
 
Well case, in this case, is sort of a figure of speech My machine hasn't had its cover on in months. Couldn't tell you where the cover is right now. I'll have to search around and see where the case temp sensor is.
Actually it might have sort of a refrigeration effect as the HS tapers inward so you could imagine the air being compressed down into the fins and expanding out the sides - so it might be possible to have that effect with such a large fan.
.bh.
 
Well, as air is forced into becoming more dense, it becomes colder - Any motorhead worth his salt could tell you that.

If the fan is powerful enough, and the decrease in surface area just right, the air could be forced into becoming more dense, thus cooler, and do a better job of dissipating heat.

In theory.

Anybody wanna loan this guy a laser-temp sensor? heh.
 
Originally posted by: MachFive
Well, as air is forced into becoming more dense, it becomes colder - Any motorhead worth his salt could tell you that.

If the fan is powerful enough, and the decrease in surface area just right, the air could be forced into becoming more dense, thus cooler, and do a better job of dissipating heat.
Negative, captain. Compression increases temperature. In fact, as you probably know, diesel engines have high compression ratios and rely on the heat of compression to fire on the power stroke... no spark plugs needed or present, just fuel injectors.
 
Wrong again.

It's simple really.

When air is cold, it has little motion. At absolute zero, the molecules are not moving at all. When hot, the molecules are excited and fast moving.

What does this mean? Cold air takes up less volume than the same quantity of hot air.

Compression of engines is entirely different. When you take the air/fuel mixture into an engine, it's at standard air pressure on the outside. This leads to a very slow burn of the fuel. By increasing the compression, the flame front travels a smaller distance between molecules of air/fuel, resulting in a much quicker expansion of gases.

Typically unleaded fuel engines have anywhere between 9 to 10.5:1 compression when naturally aspirated, versus 16 to 20:1 for diesel. The reason diesel doesn't need spark plugs is NOT because higher density air is hotter, but because when you compress the air and fuel that close together, it'll spontaneously combust.

But those compression ratios have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the temperature of the air. In fact, the colder air you can intake, the more fuel you can add to it, and the more power you can make. Hence intercoolers on turboed and supercharged cars, and cold air intake kits on N/A engines.

 
As a former ChemE student, I do have a lot of depth in the fields of physics, chemistry and heat transfer. 😉 If you compress a gas, its temperature rises, and if you expand it, its temperature drops. Now, if the air coming off the exhaust side of the CPU fan were compressed, and expanded as it went through the fins, there would be a temperature drop. But with the stall pressure of a typical 80mm fan being extremely tiny, as in ~3mm H2O, this just ain't gonna drop the temp of a ~50W heat source to below room temperature. No way.
 
So are you saying that 1 mole of 20 degree F air takes up MORE volume than 1 mole of 100 degree F air?

The denser air is, the colder it is, period.
 
And how exactly are you going to make it denser without compressing it?

The denser air is, the colder it is, period.
Only if pressure is constant. PV/T=PV/T(plus subscripts all around). This is Chem 1 here.

Go spray a fire extinguisher on yourself. Tell me if it's cold
 
Newegg sent me another whole speeze HSF just to replace the bad speed sensor, but the fan on the new one doesn't read either. Anyone else had this problem??
.bh.
😕
 
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