Big Disappointment In Store For Islamic Martyrs

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Independent scholars of Islam have made a startling discovery: the earliest known versions of the Quran do NOT match the text used today throughout the Muslim world. The original vision of Islamic 'Paradise', for instance, is completely devoid of the '72 Virgins' today's Arab suicide bombers are promised as an eternal reward.
From the article:
"For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply "white." Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for "houri," which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means "white raisin."

Christoph Luxenberg, a scholar of ancient Semitic languages in Germany, argues that the Koran has been misread and mistranslated for centuries. His work, based on the earliest copies of the Koran, maintains that parts of Islam's holy book are derived from pre-existing Christian Aramaic texts that were misinterpreted by later Islamic scholars who prepared the editions of the Koran commonly read today.

Christoph Luxenberg, however, is a pseudonym, and his scholarly tome "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran" had trouble finding a publisher, although it is considered a major new work by several leading scholars in the field. Verlag Das Arabische Buch in Berlin ultimately published the book.

The reverberations have affected non-Muslim scholars in Western countries. "Between fear and political correctness, it's not possible to say anything other than sugary nonsense about Islam," said one scholar at an American university who asked not to be named, referring to the threatened violence as well as the widespread reluctance on United States college campuses to criticize other cultures.

The caution is not surprising. Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" received a fatwa because it appeared to mock Muhammad. The Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz was stabbed because one of his books was thought to be irreligious. And when the Arab scholar Suliman Bashear argued that Islam developed as a religion gradually rather than emerging fully formed from the mouth of the Prophet, he was injured after being thrown from a second- story window by his students at the University of Nablus in the West Bank.
 

Kadarin

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Islamic fanatics won't let a few silly facts stand in the way of their beliefs..
 

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<< are we to infer then, that the suicide bombers will get 72 white raisins? >>



Assuming that God really does not have a problem you with blowing up other people.
 

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<<

<< are we to infer then, that the suicide bombers will get 72 white raisins? >>



Assuming that God really does not have a problem you with blowing up other people.
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Even if God doesn't have a problem with that (if God would see them as enemies, just like the bombers do), then the Quran still strongly forbids suicide.
 

gopunk

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<< are we to infer then, that the suicide bombers will get 72 white raisins? >>



Assuming that God really does not have a problem you with blowing up other people.
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Even if God doesn't have a problem with that (if God would see them as enemies, just like the bombers do), then the Quran still strongly forbids suicide.
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well... i still think it'd be funny to see the looks on their faces when god laughs and goes "virgins? you must have misheard... i said raisins!" :D
 

IGBT

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Thus Arafat's reluctance to accept Clinton's deal because he would then have to govern the open air insane asylum called Palestine. Easer for him to continue making pipe bombs.
 

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Just what they need when they're crapping themselves, raisins. Ironic at the least. Maybe Alah just wants his followers to be regular.
 
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Actually, I just saw something about this on cable, I think it was the Discovery Channel. They believe the misinterpretation is a deliberate action in these modern times to recruit losers to their cause. (Paraphrased slightly.)
 

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Boy that 18 year old female suicide bomber must be *pretty* disappointed seeing as how she was expecting to get gang-banged by 72 virgin guys... :)
 

notfred

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<< Islamic fanatics won't let a few silly facts stand in the way of their beliefs.. >>



I think this rule can be applied to most fanatics, not just islamic ones.
 

etech

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Virgins? What virgins?


Islam Hijacked
Rabbi Reuven Firestone, author of "Jihad: The Origin of Holy War in Islam" and Professor of Medieval Judaism and Islam at Hebrew Union College in Los Angeles, offers his insights into the events of September 11.
"Whom can you trust, if not God? But God has also been manipulated, and this is the saddest aspect of the complex we call the Middle East. God has been hijacked by terrorists. Islam is not the problem. Terrorism is the problem, and terrorists have hijacked both Islam and God."



This is a repost but appropiate in case anyone missed it.

Hijackers Surprised...

Yes, TheOnion is a satire site.
 

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<< In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning white, with the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, the immortal, pearl-like ephebes or youths of suras such as LXXVI.19 are really a misreading of a Syriac expression meaning chilled raisins (or drinks) that the just will have the pleasure of tasting in contrast to the boiling drinks promised the unfaithful and damned. >>


From Another Source...


<< Luxenberg has traced the passages dealing with paradise to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors. >>



"As Luxenberg's work has only recently been published we must await its scholarly assessment before we can pass any judgements. But if his analysis is correct then suicide bombers, or rather prospective martyrs, would do well to abandon their culture of death, and instead concentrate on getting laid 72 times in this world, unless of course they would really prefer chilled or white raisins, according to their taste, in the next."
 

Squisher

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well... i still think it'd be funny to see the looks on their faces when god laughs and goes "virgins? you must have misheard... i said raisins!"

hehehe