Big 3 Blues.. Toyota outsells Ford...

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Lifer
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In a first, Toyota car sales whiz by Ford's

By SARAH KARUSH
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

DETROIT -- For the first time last month, an American auto buyer was more likely to get behind the wheel of a new Toyota than that of a new Ford.

It's hard to read anything into one month's numbers, and Ford Motor Co.'s year-to-date sales are still ahead of its Japanese competitor's. But the shift seems to symbolize the recent stumbles of U.S. automakers in the face of rising gas prices and changing views on fuel economy.

Ford, along with General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group, is heavily dependent on sales of high-margin sport utility vehicles and other trucks -- products that have become less popular lately, as gas prices in most of the country are stuck around $3 a gallon.

All three domestic producers saw double-digit sales declines in July, with the worst decreases in trucks. They blamed the drop on heavy incentives last summer that artificially elevated sales then.

Meanwhile, Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. saw substantial increases, which they attributed to their reputations for fuel efficiency.

Overall, 1.49 million vehicles were sold last month, a 17.4 percent decrease from July 2005. The seasonally adjusted sales rate, which shows what sales would be if they remained at the same rate for the entire year, was 17.24 million, according to Autodata Corp. In 2005, automakers sold 17 million vehicles.

GM, the world's largest automaker, said its sales fell 22.2 percent, with trucks falling 31.2 percent and cars inching down 2.7 percent.

At Ford, sales of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles fell 35.2 percent. Sales of F-Series pickup trucks, long the country's best-selling vehicle and the company's most important vehicle, shot down 45.6 percent.

DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group said its sales fell 37.4 percent, with truck sales off 40 percent and car sales off 23.5 percent.


Toyota's sales, meanwhile, soared 11.7 percent, with cars jumping 19.8 percent and trucks up 1.3 percent

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Riceball

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They should surpass GM in total global sales by next year and take over the number one spot; they surpassed ford in 2003.
 

thedarkwolf

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total Toyota (w/Lexus)
241,826
total Ford (w/Mercury, Lincoln, Jag/Volvo/LR)
241,339

Somebody posted this samething on another forum. The Ford number's don't include Mazda and once you throw in Mazda's Ford takes back number 2. No they don't have 100% ownership but they do have controlling interest and Mazda is listed on ford.com so good enough for me.
 

MBrown

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Why does everybody wish American car companies a painful death?
 

Shortcut

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No one wishes for the American auto industry to die. Rather, I get the sense that we wish those companies could make cars that are much more competitive to their int'l counterparts.

But as long as Detroit remains three steps behind in anticipating consumer needs (e.g. rising fuel prices, etc), they'll always play catch up. Like someone mentioned earlier - that's no surprise.
 

fallensight

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It isnt about wishing them a painfull death. They are just out of touch with what people want, and are following a broken buisness plan. The US car comps think price is the #1 factor in seling cars, which, looking at toyota's growth selling cars that are higher priced than us competition, proves otherwise. It is just the nature of US buisness at the moment. They all want to be followers, as there is risk in being a leader.
 

Dunbar

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With high gas prices, sales will shift from SUV's to cars. The Japanese car companies make much better cars than Ford/GM/Chrysler.
 

FeuerFrei

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Originally posted by: Shortcut
No one wishes for the American auto industry to die. Rather, I get the sense that we wish those companies could make cars that are much more competitive to their int'l counterparts.

But as long as Detroit remains three steps behind in anticipating consumer needs (e.g. rising fuel prices, etc), they'll always play catch up. Like someone mentioned earlier - that's no surprise.

I concur. I think it's more of an anti-mediocrity attitude than anti-American. The mediocre products garner dissatisfaction and people are glad to see the company drop behind in the marketplace because it's really hard to favor a company that churns out shoddy quality product. And you sure can't be proud of an American company that's struggling.
 

theeedude

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I too think it's an anti-American attitude, not just about the product. A lot of people think that buying an American car is stupid, regardless of the merits of the particular vehicle, or the value proposition.
 

dr150

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When the Big 3 start making competitive cars, then patriotic US will buy.

As it stands right now, American cars are shoddy.

This is a good bitch slap to the Big 3 that their old ways of mediocrity won't cut it. Losing your market share ranking is EXTREMELY HUMILIATING for these guys and there's no better medicine to shake things up, roll heads, make union workers ACCOUNTABLE and start using ingenuity in design and mechanics.
 

fallensight

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the american and non-american argument has gone a bit more fuzzy in recent years anyway. Toyota has been making more and more of the cars it sells in the US, in the US, the big 3 have been moving more plants to canada and mexico.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: dr150
When the Big 3 start making competitive cars, then patriotic US will buy.

As it stands right now, American cars are shoddy.

This is a good bitch slap to the Big 3 that their old ways of mediocrity won't cut it. Losing your market share ranking is EXTREMELY HUMILIATING for these guys and there's no better medicine to shake things up, roll heads, make union workers ACCOUNTABLE and start using ingenuity in design and mechanics.


No quick fixes either. Even if they totally committed to making American cars number one in quality and desirability, it would take years to implement. The American car business turns about as fast as a slug.

 

Eos

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Originally posted by: dr150
When the Big 3 start making competitive cars, then patriotic US will buy.

As it stands right now, American cars are shoddy.

This is a good bitch slap to the Big 3 that their old ways of mediocrity won't cut it. Losing your market share ranking is EXTREMELY HUMILIATING for these guys and there's no better medicine to shake things up, roll heads, make union workers ACCOUNTABLE and start using ingenuity in design and mechanics.

Yeah, but no big 3 CEOs will quit or commit suicide over this episode of losing face.

Push on, young man. Keep making that salary even if sales are dropping like a rock.