Biden - Warren meeting; is one getting in?

[bradly1101]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/joe-biden-meets-privately-elizabeth-warren-washington-dc

This article seems to think that the meeting is about Biden, but I think the White House sees Hillary sinking and may be trying to recruit Warren to be a presidential candidate.

• She checks off the popular, populist message box regarding the influence of the rich in politics, while gaming the system for themselves.
• She checks off the little or no 'baggage' box.
• She checks off the female box.

I think she'd be a shoo-in.

Her stance on the important issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

 

[werepossum]

Fauxcahontas is one of very few Democrats for whom I could possibly imagine myself voting, depending on whom the Pubbies put up and whether Gary Johnson runs for the Libertarians.

 

[bradly1101]

Fauxcahontas is one of very few Democrats for whom I could possibly imagine myself voting, depending on whom the Pubbies put up and whether Gary Johnson runs for the Libertarians.

I wasn't aware that was still an issue, but sometimes I forget where I'm posting. IMO those who care about her heritage are bigots. Some on the right showed up at one of her rallies and made whooping noises while doing a tomahawk motion. Disgusting.

At least she's not lying about her background. Historical records appear to confirm that she has Cherokee ancestors. But is her background Indian enough?

That question looms after researcher Christopher Child at the New England Historic Genealogical Society turned up evidence of her Indian blood. A transcript of an 1894 marriage application shows Warren's great-great-great-grandmother listed herself as Cherokee.

That would make Warren 1/32nd Native American, although it is possible that more recent Indian ancestors could be turned up in further research.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-09/news/ct-oped-0509-page-20120509_1_indian-heritage-indian-blood-dawes-commission

 

[werepossum]

I wasn't aware that was still an issue, but sometimes I forget where I'm posting. IMO those who care about her heritage are bigots. Some on the right showed up at one of her rallies and made whooping noises while doing a tomahawk motion. Disgusting.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-09/news/ct-oped-0509-page-20120509_1_indian-heritage-indian-blood-dawes-commission

Dude, they weren't making fun of her heritage, they were making fun of her cynically using this supposed heritage to obtain a minority hiring advantage. Do you really feel that we should re-invoke the one-drop rule so that white people can compete with actual disadvantaged minorities?

 

[unokitty]

Monica Crowley:
Why Obama is torpedoing Hillary Clinton
The president craves a successor who will preserve his legacy

There is only one person who controls Hillary Clinton’s fate, and it isn’t Hillary Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton is careening toward possible criminal charges involving her alleged mishandling of classified material on her personal email server while she was secretary of State. And President Obama is driving the bus...

This brings us to the certain presidential candidacy of Vice President Joe Biden, the one person who can effectively give Mr. Obama that third term. Indications are that he is seriously contemplating it, making initial plans, reaching out to potential donors, and benefiting from the Obamaites whipping up Biden buzz...

Like the Clinton investigation, this is not by accident.

Once Mr. Biden joins the race, he will enjoy the full backing of Mr. Obama. With Mrs. Clinton gone, however, Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden will have to make it up to Democratic women and the radical left, which is currently flirting with socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders.

There is only one person who kills both birds with one stone: Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

The Democratic ticket will be Joe Biden-Elizabeth Warren. That’s what Mr. Obama wants. And what Mr. Obama wants, Mr. Obama gets.

This is “Game of Thrones.” And Mr. Obama is winning.

Political Science isn't my field.

But my sense is that Hilary’s chances are slipping away. Not much differently than they did 8 years ago. And if, Monica Crowley is to be believed, they are slipping away because the same man wants them too...

Uno

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So far Hillary has run a thoroughly boring campaign add the email server and there is a risk. My guess is him & Warren ticket needs to be a possibility.

 

[Sonikku]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/joe-biden-meets-privately-elizabeth-warren-washington-dc

This article seems to think that the meeting is about Biden, but I think the White House sees Hillary sinking and may be trying to recruit Warren to be a presidential candidate.

• She checks off the popular, populist message box regarding the influence of the rich in politics, while gaming the system for themselves.
• She checks off the little or no 'baggage' box.
• She checks off the female box.

I think she'd be a shoo-in.

Her stance on the important issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

A shoo in for the election perhaps, but not for the primary. She opposes free trade and advocates against crony capitalism. What billionaire is going to back her super pac?

Nobody.

 

[sportage]

I'm sorry, but Biden is too liberal to win an election.
Any Jeb could easily take Joe apart.
Biden is far more liberal that even Obama.
Just as Democrats would love to see Trump as their opponent, republicans would love to see someone like a Joe Biden as their opponent.
Besides, both houses of congress are republican controlled.
You think the country is going to suddenly swing far left to elect a Joe Biden president? Ever?
The same guy that forced Obama's hand in support of gay marriage rights?
No way Jose.

Ps. Republicans should only hope Hillary's woes are enough to take her down, which is not going to happen.
Both Clinton's are far too smart and politically savvy to ever let that happen, FYI....
Hillary's demise? Wishful thinking.
With the Clinton's, what doesn't kill them only makes them stronger.
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[WhipperSnapper]

But my sense is that Hilary’s chances are slipping away. Not much differently than they did 8 years ago. And if, Monica Crowley is to be believed, they are slipping away because the same man wants them too...

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And if, Monica Crowley is to be believed...

Monica Crowley (born September 19, 1968) is an American conservative political commentator, talk radio personality, and author.

I'm thinking that's a no on that one.

 

[bradly1101]

Dude, they weren't making fun of her heritage, they were making fun of her cynically using this supposed heritage to obtain a minority hiring advantage. Do you really feel that we should re-invoke the one-drop rule so that white people can compete with actual disadvantaged minorities?

I think caring about how she has seen herself and her true heritage in her history for whatever reason is bigoted. I'm sure Obama listed himself as black or African-American at times when he his only half so. Where's the cutoff? I've read all those articles and clearly anybody who's hammering this issue and calling her "Fauxcohontas" is implying that she's a liar and a cheat.

The former chairman of the American Association of Law Schools, David Bernstein, told the Herald that the group's directory once served as a tip sheet for administrators. "In the old days before the Internet, you'd pull out the AALS directory and look up people," he said. "There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, 'I didn't know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.'"

Warren said she didn't know Harvard had used her heritage as proof of diversity until reading about the issue in the news, according to a Herald report. She also denied that she ever tried to gain a professional advantage through her lineage.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not "apply" for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group: The Globe obtained a portion of Warren's application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school's Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered "no."

For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was "white."

But Penn's 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority. The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate's heritage didn't come up during the course of her hiring. "It simply played no role in the appointments process," he said. "It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty."

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, "I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned."

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp#3eT9W98FAMBOfxWu.99

I take their word on that, but some can't resist.

I don't think we should care about people's heritage and how they see their connections to it. Lord knows that there are real missteps in Washington that lead to disasters, and we care about how Warren identifies with her ancestry? I'm sorry, but I can only see bigotry in that sentiment.

 

[werepossum]

I think caring about how she has seen herself and her true heritage in her history for whatever reason is bigoted. I'm sure Obama listed himself as black or African-American at times when he his only half so. Where's the cutoff? I've read all those articles and clearly anybody who's hammering this issue and calling her "Fauxcohontas" is implying that she's a liar and a cheat.



I take their word on that, but some can't resist.

I don't think we should care about people's heritage and how they see their connections to it. Lord knows that there are real missteps in Washington that lead to disasters, and we care about how Warren identifies with her ancestry? I'm sorry, but I can only see bigotry in that sentiment.

I can't possibly take their word on that. Warren listed herself as Native American in a publication she knew was used for recruitment, at a time when universities were under pressure to increase diversity. Once hired, Harvard then publicized that they had a Native American. To my mind this is the absolute worst form of behavior in that it allows employers to pretend toward a diversity without actually doing anything. Because of her, people who had actually grown up with substantial disadvantages - growing up on the res, no opportunity, no hope, difficult to get a decent education or work experience - didn't even get a chance to be looked at, since Harvard was free to hire "one of us" while pretending they hired "one of them." I don't think we can compare Obama to that. Not only is he sixteen times more black than Warren is Native American, but Obama looks black enough to reap whatever disadvantages racism brings. Warren certainly faced no disadvantages for her supposed ancestry, and the whole point of diversity hiring is to offset those disadvantages.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Does this guy look Native American enough for you to have considered himself as such?

 

[werepossum]

Does this guy look Native American enough for you to have considered himself as such?

Not for purposes of minority hiring.

 

[PokerGuy]

I think caring about how she has seen herself and her true heritage in her history for whatever reason is bigoted.

No, that's stupid. When someone tries to use some BS 'heritage' to maximize their personal gain, it's perfectly fine to point it out and mock him (or in this case, her) for it. Nothing bigoted about that.

I've read all those articles and clearly anybody who's hammering this issue and calling her "Fauxcohontas" is implying that she's a liar and a cheat.

Of course they are, because she is a liar and a cheat. Duh.

 

[PokerGuy]

I think Biden and Warren meeting is a sign that the party leadership is starting to get legitimately nervous about the hildabeast campaign. Sure, outwardly they are saying it's all "faux scandals", but it looks like internally they are starting to worry and are looking for a backup option. She is not likeable and doesn't have charisma. She's still in great position to win because she has the media in her pocket (once she goes against a GOP'er, they are certain to fall in line and 100% support her) and the GOP may not have a quality opponent for her (remains to be seen). Seems like the party leadership is getting a little antsy though.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

No, that's stupid. When someone tries to use some BS 'heritage' to maximize their personal gain, it's perfectly fine to point it out and mock him (or in this case, her) for it. Nothing bigoted about that.

Of course they are, because she is a liar and a cheat. Duh.

Please point out any untruth or personal gain on Warren's part.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm beginning to think it will be Joe.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/joe-biden-hires-kate-bedingfield-communications-director/

Joe Biden hires John Edwards campaign alum Kate Bedingfield

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

We need our first Native American president.

 

[PokerGuy]

We need our first Native American president.

hahaha

I think Lowo is right, I suspect Biden is starting to seriously considering jumping in.... maybe with Fauxcahauntas as his running mate.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

hahaha

I think Lowo is right, I suspect Biden is starting to seriously considering jumping in.... maybe with Fauxcahauntas as his running mate.

That could be quite the team to beat.

 

[PokerGuy]

That could be quite the team to beat.

Yeah, it could be, there are enough idiots that would support such a ticket. On the other hand, Biden has said plenty of really really dumb things that could be used in an election, but he could be seen as the old "steady" hand to offset Warren's crazy. Loons both of them, but I could see them get elected, we've already proven over and over again that we elect idiots to the oval office.

 

[FerrelGeek]

It'll be fascinating to see Hillary have a total meltdown.

 

[bradly1101]

No, that's stupid. When someone tries to use some BS 'heritage' to maximize their personal gain, it's perfectly fine to point it out and mock him (or in this case, her) for it. Nothing bigoted about that.

Of course they are, because she is a liar and a cheat. Duh.

OK if she was listed on one form (the right really knows how to find and blow up these inane things), what's the problem? She and her superiors stated there was no "personal gain." So what is the purpose of the mocking? To discredit her? Thank goodness she didn't start a war based on lies and personal revenge. Oh wait, that would be OK.

What does the mocking accomplish? There are very light skinned, blue-eyed people with African American heritage who identify with the black community. If that was the case here, would she still be mocked? We cannot care about anybody's heritage or we must care about them all. I thought it was 2015, not 1955.

There was another, different type of case where the parent's of a woman wanted to publicly shame her (for what I don't know) and found out that she was trying to pass herself off as black while working for the NAACP. So they contacted the media who descended like flies on this woman who grew up around blacks, identified with the culture, and by all accounts was doing great things for the community.

So what was accomplished except for the parents getting to publicly shame their daughter, unemployment for an effective worker, and people around the country getting their dose of reality TV with the requisite visceral satisfaction of seeing revenge at work? Who are we?

IMO public shaming and diving into harmless past events is an activity that happens in backward, socially unsophisticated societies (think Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen...). What does the Bible say about forgiveness? WWJD?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The Democratic establishment is afraid that Hillary could go down in flames while a non-establishment non-corporatist candidate they do not control, Bernie Sanders, might win the nomination and fail to serve the interests of the 1% who pull the strings of both the DNC and the RNC.