News Biden to Name National Monument for Emmett Till and His Mother

HomerJS

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President Biden will establish a national monument on Tuesday honoring Emmett Till, the Black teenager who was brutally killed in 1955, and paying tribute to his mother, Mamie Till-Mobley, according to White House officials.

In August 1955, Emmett was 14 years old and visiting relatives in the Mississippi Delta when he was kidnapped, tortured and killed after a white woman, Carolyn Bryant Donham, accused him of whistling at her at the store where she worked. Her husband at the time, Roy Bryant, and J.W. Milam, his half brother, abducted Emmett at gunpoint and drove him to a barn about 45 minutes away. After torturing him, they shot him in the head and tied a 75-pound cotton gin fan to his neck with barbed wire and threw his body into the Tallahatchie River.

Emmett’s body was eventually pulled from the river, though his remains could be identified only by the silver ring on one of his fingers. One eye was gouged out, both of his wrists were broken and parts of his skull were crushed.

The case went to trial, but an all-white, all-male jury acquitted the two men, Mr. Bryant and Mr. Milam, who had been charged with murder. Later, a grand jury chose not to indict them on kidnapping charges. After the men were acquitted and immune from further prosecution, they confessed to the murder. They are both dead.

Last year, a Mississippi grand jury declined to indict Ms. Donham, whose accusations prompted the killing, on charges of kidnapping or manslaughter. She died in April.

n 2008, eight signs detailing Emmett’s story were installed in northwest Mississippi, including one in the area of Graball Landing. A year later, the sign at the spot on the river where Emmett’s body was discovered was stolen and thrown into the river. A replacement sign was soon marred with bullet holes. In 2018, another replacement was installed, but 35 days after it went up, it, too, was shot up. In 2019, a new, bulletproof sign was installed, along with a surveillance system.


White nationalists were proud of their vandalism to the previous Till memorials.

I'm sure Ron DeSantis will claim some sort of benefit to blacks from Emmitt's assassination. I'm also sure our resident racism apologists will claim we still don't know who is primarily responsible for racism in this country.
 

MrSquished

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Horrific what humans do to other humans. Not entirely surprising considering some people's tendencies, but horrific nonetheless.
It's just because they didn't like themselves inside and if @Moonbeam had been there with a nice pitcher of sweet tea and talked it over with them, none of this would have happened!
 

HomerJS

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I think it would have been a good political move to invite all Republican candidates for POTUS to the ceremony.

They wouldn't attend with the exception of maybe CC and TS. It would point out in public what we already know about Republicans.
 

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*Sigh*, pronouns. You should edit the title to clarify the monument is named for Till's mother and not Biden's.

So should the New York Times. :eek:
 

NWRMidnight

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*Sigh*, pronouns. You should edit the title to clarify the monument is named for Till's mother and not Biden's.

So should the New York Times. :eek:
It's been well over 35 years since I have been in school, but unless there is some new "common core" English, both in written, reading, and interpretation, "His Mother" is referring to Emmett Till's mother as written in the title, not Biden's. The pronoun "his" doesn't change that. NO clarification needed.
 
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It's been well over 35 years since I have been in school, but unless there is some new "common core" English, both in written, reading, and interpretation, "His Mother" is referring to Emmett Till's mother as written in the title, not Biden's. The pronoun "his" doesn't change that. NO clarification needed.
It's a pronoun with multiple possible antecedents.


Here’s another example: in the following sentence, whose children are eating too much candy, Felix’s or Oscar’s?

Felix thinks that Oscar gives his children too much candy.

Revise the sentence to clarify:

Felix thinks that his children get too much candy from Oscar.
 

Moonbeam

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It's a pronoun with multiple possible antecedents.


I am inclined to disagree regardless of the fact I don’t know much about the rules of grammar because any confusion of the kind you hint at would simple have been written differently and with equal parsimony thusly:

Biden to Name National Monument for His Mother and Emmett Till​

 

NWRMidnight

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It's a pronoun with multiple possible antecedents.


What? Not the way it's written in the title, your "multiple possible antecedents" does not apply.

Break it down, What is the title talking about. answer: Describing in third person about Biden naming a monument. Who is the monument being name after? Answer: Emmett Till and his mother, not Emmett Till and Biden's mother. For it to be referring to Biden's mother, it would have to say "Emmett Till and Biden's mother" or "Emmett Till, and his mother" as the title is talking in the third person. Notice the comma I inserted? That comma indicates a separation between the two, which means Emmett Till and his mother are not referencing each other, meaning "and his mother" does not refer to Emmett Till, but rather would refer to Biden. Without the comma, "and his mother' is referencing Emmett Till. English 101.

Even You example is not accurate, as the meaning of BOTH statements changes based on punctuation, not by changing the wording. The same can be said about the title. since there is no comma between Emmett Till, and his mother, per the rules of the English language "and his mother" refers to Emmett Till. Again English 101
 

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It's just because they didn't like themselves inside and if @Moonbeam had been there with a nice pitcher of sweet tea and talked it over with them, none of this would have happened!
I have said that we create what we fear, and in the process become what we fear. Did you notice that @thilanliyan described these people as horrific which essentially means frightening in the extreme. What you want to do is to pretend that I don't see this because you want me to be as alarmed by them as you are, to join with you and others as a herd so that as a group we can stand against them. But what you do not see, and what I will not join you in, is that you are asking me to become them because we become what we fear. Nor am I about to serve them sweet tea. I see them for what they are, that when worked up and provoked, dangerous in the extreme. Remember, I am the one who is armed. I believe in self defense. What I do not believe in is being driven insane myself via the fear of the madness of others. I see you as not so differently insane. Conservatives have a firm grasp on your short hairs and make you react like a wind up top, spinning around and raving at everything around you that doesn't radiate your own inner panic.

The problem is that you feel helpless. You have no answer to the madness of the right because you suffer from madness of the left, the fear the right creates. You can't heal yourself so you have no idea how to heal them.

There is nothing anybody can do about them or you. There is only seeing the truth. There is only one person you will ever have any hope of changing and that is you. I simply say what I see is true. Some may find value in what I say, some may not.

For a long time now I have been pointing to the authoritarian drift I believe I see on the left that is inevitable in people who don't understand what makes them tick. Authoritarianism and liberalism are not the same thing and authoritarianism is not a good thing.
 

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Everytime I go back and reread stuff about Emmett Till I discover new elements of the story that just make it more and more fucked.

Like I knew the woman that accused Till later confessed that she made the whole thing up.

Didn't know the two guys that were aquited later actually confessed to the crime but we're not tried again due to *checks notes* double jeopardy or whatever (although I thought new facts could get you retried in those cases).

Whole thing is an almost perfect encapsulation of the Jim Crow era fuckery these people had to put up with.
 

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