Biden supported anti-busing constitutional amendment

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dank69

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It’s on NPR, not like I ripped this from Pravda.
Yeah, I can see it is an NPR link, I'm not blind. It doesn't mean you didn't first hear about it on some shit conservative site, or in your news feed that is tailored to your appetite for garbage conservative outrage propaganda, and then sought out a link to a "liberal" source to post it here. You at least get points for fact checking. But you didn't even read it. You had your gotcha headline and that was enough for you to spew it here. If you actually read the article there is no way you would think this is some mark against his character. If anything it shows he was one of the most thoughtful reps of his time.
 

1prophet

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Openly admits? You got a source for that?

This is just one but there is a lot more out there if you care to search.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...lionaires-nothing-would-fundamentally-change#
Vowing Not to 'Demonize' the Rich, Biden Tells Billionaires 'Nothing Would Fundamentally Change' If He Was Elected

Don't worry, billionaires: your standard of living won't change under a Joe Biden administration.
That's the message the Democratic frontrunner delivered to donors Tuesday as he continued a fundraising trip in New York that saw him on Monday tell a room of wealthy Wall Streeters "you guys are great" and ask a Trump-loving supermarket magnate for support.
In Biden's comments Tuesday, the former vice president told a room of 100 of the New York financial elite, including bankers Robert Rubin and Roger Altman, both of whom worked in the Treasury Department under Democratic administrations, that he wasn't their enemy. According to Bloomberg reporter Jennifer Epstein, Biden took pains to separate himself from the rest of the field in his comments.
"Remember, I got in trouble with some of the people on my team, on the Democratic side, because I said, you know, what I've found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people," said Biden. "Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who's made money."
But, said Biden, their taxes might have to be raised a little to achieve some of his legislative goals—though he assured the members of the 1 percent in attendance at the Upper East Side Carlyle Hotel that under his plan, the increase wouldn't even be noticeable.
"The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done," said Biden. "We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it's all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished."
"No one's standard of living will change," said Biden. "Nothing would fundamentally change."
A number of observers on Twitter seized on that message as emblematic of Biden's campaign strategy in general.
"Biden 2020: 'Nothing would fundamentally change,'" said financial reform advocate Alexis Goldstein.
Biden's phrasing "might be the most honest thing he's said since he defended segregated schools," writer Nathan Bernhardt tweeted.
Lawyer Matthew Cortland agreed.
"When someone tells you who they are," said Cortland, "believe them."
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Sunburn74

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I think at the end of the day the judgement on Joe Bidens position on busing isn't based on what the majority of Americans wanted (ie the majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA a few years ago and now love it, the majority of Americans supported the Iraq war or DOMA or don't ask don't tell, the majority of Americans are grossly obese and don't want to exercise or change their diet, etc etc) but rather whether busing in and of itself was a good idea.

That is the test. The point of electing representation is that they do the research and make the right decisions and sometimes their research tells them that an unpopular decision may indeed be the right one. Btw I dont have a position on busing (I don't have the research). All I'm saying is the argument that most Americans were not in favor of it and so Biden shouldn't be is a dumb one. Most Americans are not in favor of eating a salad from time to time.
 
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umbrella39

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While I have no plans to vote for Biden when pressed... I will choose the might of been kind of racist likes to sniff women to the overtly racist in some cases rapists and in some cases pedophiles every time...
 

TheVrolok

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I think there's a pretty solid chance the dems are going to beat themselves again, whether or not Biden is the nominee. The "party" just doesn't come together.
 

glenn1

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Yeah, I can see it is an NPR link, I'm not blind. It doesn't mean you didn't first hear about it on some shit conservative site, or in your news feed that is tailored to your appetite for garbage conservative outrage propaganda, and then sought out a link to a "liberal" source to post it here. You at least get points for fact checking. But you didn't even read it. You had your gotcha headline and that was enough for you to spew it here. If you actually read the article there is no way you would think this is some mark against his character. If anything it shows he was one of the most thoughtful reps of his time.

At the time I posted it was the top story on the npr.org. homepage.
 

K1052

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I think there's a pretty solid chance the dems are going to beat themselves again, whether or not Biden is the nominee. The "party" just doesn't come together.

Primary season is always a mess. The R primary for 2016 was a shit show unparalleled in modern times.

It's always good to remember that the primary is not the general.
 
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Perknose

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And he blew it last night at the debate when Harris confronted him on this. But on the substance of the issue, it's unfair to him.

[...]

Biden's position was in line with 95% of the general public at the time.

If he makes it to the general, the underlying facts won't matter . . . enough . . . in this low info, short attention span, 3 word chant environment.

I can just see Trump's Facebook ads now, helped by FD to be targeted at black folk: Biden in front of a schoolbus full of adorable little black children, wearing a white robe and a scowl. :(
 

TheVrolok

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Primary season is always a mess. The R primary for 2016 was a shit show unparalleled in modern times.

It's always good to remember that the primary is not the general.
Let's hope. I certainly hope the "independents" don't want to take another "chance" on Trump.
 

HomerJS

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I’ll just leave this here. Don’t know if it will sink his candidacy but I can’t see how it helps.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/7369...onal-amendment-to-end-mandated-busing-in-1975
I'll just leave this here. Contrast the following that occurred around the same time in history

Biden - Wanted integration but not in favor of busing to get it done.
Trump - Actually committed housing discrimination against blacks

Not really a tough decision. Having said that Biden had 2 problems that night. He seemed to be lacking preparation. Second he didn't know how to swing back at Harris. Probably afraid of pissing off blacks and women. He's got homework to do.

We all know you will go back to supporting Trump
 

K1052

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Let's hope. I certainly hope the "independents" don't want to take another "chance" on Trump.

The available polling on that front is pointing to probably not so much. It will be hard for him to run on the "take a chance" platform again since many of the people took that chance don't really like how it turned out. That's not to say he won't try.
 

TheVrolok

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The available polling on that front is pointing to probably not so much. It will be hard for him to run on the "take a chance" platform again since many of the people took that chance don't really like how it turned out. That's not to say he won't try.
Again, your lips to God's ears. I lost a lot of faith in 2016.
 

HomerJS

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BTW - If I were Biden's people I would go back and research Harris's story. I don't doubt she was bused but I have never known Berkley to be a poor community, therefore she would have been bused from a potentially good school to a not so good school. Why would a family want that? That may make her outrage kind of hollow.
 

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The available polling on that front is pointing to probably not so much. It will be hard for him to run on the "take a chance" platform again since many of the people took that chance don't really like how it turned out. That's not to say he won't try.

Yeah...The math is bad for Trump. When you consider that in the states that Trump flipped, he was only barely able to do so and it's very unlikely that he can exceed his percentages in 2016, it's clear that he's in trouble. If his apparent voter deficit in 3-4 battleground states carries through the general, the problem will take care of itself. What Trump wants is to have the race close enough so that if he doesn't win it, he can contest it.
 

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I think at the end of the day the judgement on Joe Bidens position on busing isn't based on what the majority of Americans wanted (ie the majority of Americans wanted to get rid of the ACA a few years ago and now love it, the majority of Americans supported the Iraq war or DOMA or don't ask don't tell, the majority of Americans are grossly obese and don't want to exercise or change their diet, etc etc) but rather whether busing in and of itself was a good idea.

That is the test. The point of electing representation is that they do the research and make the right decisions and sometimes their research tells them that an unpopular decision may indeed be the right one. Btw I dont have a position on busing (I don't have the research). All I'm saying is the argument that most Americans were not in favor of it and so Biden shouldn't be is a dumb one. Most Americans are not in favor of eating a salad from time to time.

This isn't like it was some 50/50 or 30/70 split. Almost the entirety of the nation polled against busing in the 70s, including the beneficiaries.

Practically everyone alive in that era is "guilty" of holding the same position. They favored other solutions. That's the issue with judging prior generations by today's standards. The context does not fit. Our judgements try to fit square pegs into round holes via an absolutist zeal instead of the relative truth. No, now that I understand the context of the era on this particular issue I do not hold it against Joe Biden. A man whom, Barrack Obama placed his trust.

No, the issue with that moment in the debate was his apparent age and befuddlement. Passing the torch and "my time is up" rang loud and true. That is unless he has the vigor to roar back and take command of such issues. Though I reckon that's a "young" person's game. We need someone who can tear Trump a new one, and Harris showed her teeth. I just hope there are no more than 6 candidates on stage next debate. I want them to have more time to distinguish themselves and show their chops.
 

glenn1

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I'll just leave this here. Contrast the following that occurred around the same time in history

Biden - Wanted integration but not in favor of busing to get it done.
Trump - Actually committed housing discrimination against blacks

Not really a tough decision. Having said that Biden had 2 problems that night. He seemed to be lacking preparation. Second he didn't know how to swing back at Harris. Probably afraid of pissing off blacks and women. He's got homework to do.

We all know you will go back to supporting Trump

You seem mad that a news story seemingly critical of a Democrat got posted on NPR and here, I suggest you get over it. When something is the leading news story on a site like NPR it will probably get posted here.

Agree with your “2 problems” statements about Biden at the debates, don’t think I’ll speculate on the “why” like you did but what you said is certainly plausible.

Fine with you bringing up the Trump discrimination. I oppose Trump if you didn’t realize that. Doesn’t mean all Dems get a free pass when a news story about them comes up though.
 

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I’ll just leave this here. Don’t know if it will sink his candidacy but I can’t see how it helps.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/7369...onal-amendment-to-end-mandated-busing-in-1975
The problem with busing was that it was discriminatory. The proposal should have been to bus white kids into all black schools to integrate them. In no time at all those would have become world class institutions.

PS: I don't get what Harris had against going to school with other black kids that she wanted to flee them to be with white kids.
 

dank69

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You seem mad that a news story seemingly critical of a Democrat got posted on NPR and here, I suggest you get over it. When something is the leading news story on a site like NPR it will probably get posted here.

Agree with your “2 problems” statements about Biden at the debates, don’t think I’ll speculate on the “why” like you did but what you said is certainly plausible.

Fine with you bringing up the Trump discrimination. I oppose Trump if you didn’t realize that. Doesn’t mean all Dems get a free pass when a news story about them comes up though.
Still haven't read, or don't understand the article?
 
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While conservatives try to bash Biden over race using bussing, this is their candidates view on the subject.

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Yes, bussing is, in fact, a way to get kids to school.
 
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Openly admits? You got a source for that?

Google is your friend. Biden says when he first tried to prostitute himself to big donors when he first ran for Senate he was denied due to his young age. Although this has been pretty much public news for decades - it was on video when he spoke to constitutens. Seems like you are pretty out of the loop.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/joe-biden-says-he-was-like-the-token-black-in-his-youthful-run-for-senate-in-1972?_amp=true&ved=2ahUKEwjK0fbrr4_jAhURIjQIHXsiCVcQFjAJegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2uRSMcm72z-vuS95jKjT4e&ampcf=1
 

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The institutions of our democracy are burning down and Trump is the arsonist. Meanwhile, ideological purists of the pristine left would reject a fireman whose hose doesn't spray certified organic water on the blaze.

Joe Biden is a thoroughly decent man. If you don't think the wildly successful Republican propaganda team won't demonize the black female Harris (they already are, with faux black twitter bots saying she isn't an actual American) or Bernie, the Jewish Socialist, you've got your head up your ass.

If Joe is the guy the Trumpistas can't demonize enough to keep all their white male bozos in their thrall, then I'm all for him.

But, WHOEVER is the Democratic candidate, if you stay home like a significant number of Bernie Bots did last time, or waste your last chance to prevent Trump's re-election by voting for some third party candidate, fuck you and the alpaca you rode in on.

Politics is the art of the possible, and the game isn't played by the Marquis of Queensbury rules.

This is an emergency. This is WAR. This is no time to claim conscientious objector status because your ideology is too damn pure. The barbarians are already in the gate. Grab a goddamn rifle and vote for the Democratic candidate whoever they are, and please convince all the other ideological purists in your little bubble to do the same, or you'll take their smartphone away!
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glenn1

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Still haven't read, or don't understand the article?

Yes of course I did. What part of the article exactly do you want me to re-read because you think I missed something about it?I understand perfectly that nothing including this matters to you whatsoever because you are solely focused on being Trump, but other Dem primary voters may indeed care that he held this position a few decades ago. Plenty of folks think that passed votes are important, such as his vote to authorize use of force in Iraq, his role in the Anita Hill hearings, and more.

Quite frankly if you thought this would not come out, you are delusional. Even if the news media shared your feelings about “we must beat Trump at all costs” It’s not like trump can’t do opposition research himself. And yeah if this story makes him not win the Democratic nomination I will not shed a single tear.
 

dank69

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Google is your friend. Biden says when he first tried to prostitute himself to big donors when he first ran for Senate he was denied due to his young age. Although this has been pretty much public news for decades - it was on video when he spoke to constitutens. Seems like you are pretty out of the loop.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/joe-biden-says-he-was-like-the-token-black-in-his-youthful-run-for-senate-in-1972?_amp=true&ved=2ahUKEwjK0fbrr4_jAhURIjQIHXsiCVcQFjAJegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2uRSMcm72z-vuS95jKjT4e&ampcf=1
Sorry, I didn't know this tidbit was required to be in the loop. Are there any membership benefits?