Biden moves to mandate vaccines for large part of workforce

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fskimospy

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So if company Z is working in a state A and B and state B got minimum wage at $25, are you saying that they must pay same in state A as they are paying in state B because of interstate commerce clause?
No, he’s saying that the federal government has the constitutional authority to regulate commerce across state lines, hence the federal minimum wage.
 

weblooker2021

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LOL! You do realize anything can be challenged in court right? You don't seem to understand that his statement is just telling people that they can challenged it in court, and some most likely will try, it doesn't say or mean they can win that challenge.
His statement just like the one when CDC issued new prohibition on eviction , is very similar. Biden administration and justice department knows that this is not likely to survive. They just wanting and hope that some additional companies will issue employee mandate.
 

weblooker2021

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Do you even understand why the CDC eviction mandates where deemed unconstitutional? Because they don't have the authority to issue such mandates, that is reserved for Congress. In this situation, Biden is using the proper agency (OSHA) that does have the authority.
Tell that to the judge, or maybe I should say wait till judge makes a ruling and then you or I can explain why one of us were wrong.
 

fskimospy

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I haven't actually stepped foot in my office for the past 18 months. How does OSHA apply in my case? More importantly, why is my employer asking about my vaccination status, when it has zero impact on how I do my job 100% remotely?

Back when I took Business Law and Management classes, they drilled into us that we were only allowed to ask Occupational Qualification questions and NOTHING else. Questions about stuff like whether or not you were married or had kids were 100% off limits. If I'm never in physical contact with my employeer, why does my vaccination status even matter to them? These are questions that employment lawyers are going to be asking a lot over the next few days.
Whoever taught you those classes woefully misinformed you then. Vaccination mandates as a condition of employment are nothing new.
 
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NWRMidnight

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So if company Z is working in a state A and B and state B got minimum wage at $25, are you saying that they must pay same in state A as they are paying in state B because of interstate commerce clause?
State mandated minimum wage has zero to do with federal minimum wage you idiot.
 
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Sunburn74

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I think the weekly testing is what will definitely keep the mandate up. OHSA is allowed to mandate all sorts of workplace testing. They mandate air quality testing in some workplaces, water quality, radiation exposure testing, etc. Certainly mandating covid testing is legal and uncomfortable enough to where people will probably just go ahead and get the vaccine rather than have 52 things stuck way up your nose a year.
But who knows with the courts. All of a sudden precedent doest matter.
 

NWRMidnight

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So if company Z is working in a state A and B and state B got minimum wage at $25, are you saying that they must pay same in state A as they are paying in state B because of interstate commerce clause?

State mandated minimum wage has zero to do with federal minimum wage you idiot.

Interstate commerce.
Thanks for proving you have no fucking clue about what you are talking about. Interstate commerce is federal. Get back to us when you can show your work on how states have authority over the federal government, Congress and the constitution when it comes to interstate commerce.
 
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fskimospy

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The more concerning aspect is what kind of angry backlash this will generate in the form of violence. I think we will end up regretting this.
Well so long as that violence ends up killing fewer than 1,500 or so people a day it seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Biden was entirely correct, the time to coddle the crazies is over. In fact I’m annoyed it took him this long.
 

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Well so long as that violence ends up killing fewer than 1,500 or so people a day it seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Biden was entirely correct, the time to coddle the crazies is over. In fact I’m annoyed it took him this long.

Well if you want more violence, then this is certainly one path to that.
 
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Roger Wilco

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The more concerning aspect is what kind of angry backlash this will generate in the form of violence. I think we will end up regretting this.

The more concerning aspect is that 1,000+ Americans have been effectively brainwashed into committing horrific suicide via something completely preventable...every day.
 

BoomerD

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What the CDC is empowered to do by statute is different than what OSHA is empowered to do.

OSHA already regulates workplace safety for every private business in the country. There is no "state control" in this area. The states do not regulate workplace safety except for state and local government employees. Biden's mandate does not affect state and local government employees.

I don't think there is any way to overturn this without overturning OSHA itself. They'd have to declare the entire thing unconstitutional.

Actually, some states have their own OSHA agencies that DO enforce laws on private employers, not just state employees. The catch is that the state laws have to be equal toor stronger than the federal laws. (CAL-OSHA)
This IS an unprecedented move on Biden's part though. I'll be very surprised in the conservative USSC allows it to stand.
 
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pcgeek11

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I have thought all along that we needed a federal mandate to combat the pandemic. Think of all the lives that could have been saved.

If you are old enough and do not have a medical condition that would prohibit getting a vaccination you should be required to get one.
 

Bitek

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I haven't actually stepped foot in my office for the past 18 months. How does OSHA apply in my case? More importantly, why is my employer asking about my vaccination status, when it has zero impact on how I do my job 100% remotely?

Back when I took Business Law and Management classes, they drilled into us that we were only allowed to ask Occupational Qualification questions and NOTHING else. Questions about stuff like whether or not you were married or had kids were 100% off limits. If I'm never in physical contact with my employeer, why does my vaccination status even matter to them? These are questions that employment lawyers are going to be asking a lot over the next few days.

Not a lawyer, but know to an employment lawyer for a large company.

If you are an at will employee, they can change the conditions of employment and you can comply or be terminated. No severance is required either.
 
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I have thought all along that we needed a federal mandate to combat the pandemic. Think of all the lives that could have been saved.

If you are old enough and do not have a medical condition that would prohibit getting a vaccination you should be required to get one.
Wow, for once, I am in complete agreement with you. :)
 

ivwshane

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Well if you want more violence, then this is certainly one path to that.

If people are willing to hurt their fellow Americans because those other Americans want to be safe, then we’ve got bigger issues than the pandemic. I don’t see pacifying insurrectionists and traitors as a way to move this country forward, in fact it seems that in doing so already, they have only grown in numbers and in violence.


I guess Jefferson was right, sometimes dumb citizens have to die in order to be set straight. Good luck! The war hasn’t even begun and righties are killing themselves in greater numbers than anyone else they plan on fighting.
 
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BoomerD

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Unvaccinated people who go to a hospital with Covid should simply be a lower priority than those who are vaccinated for any issue. In any hospital where resources are needed. This includes surgeries.


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brycejones

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I haven't actually stepped foot in my office for the past 18 months. How does OSHA apply in my case? More importantly, why is my employer asking about my vaccination status, when it has zero impact on how I do my job 100% remotely?

Back when I took Business Law and Management classes, they drilled into us that we were only allowed to ask Occupational Qualification questions and NOTHING else. Questions about stuff like whether or not you were married or had kids were 100% off limits. If I'm never in physical contact with my employeer, why does my vaccination status even matter to them? These are questions that employment lawyers are going to be asking a lot over the next few days.
You’ve been lucky thet your employer hasn’t caught on to your day drinking.