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mect

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Let’s be brutally honest. Democrats only now care about said misconduct because Trump won the election. Do you honestly think there would even be a #metoo movement if Hillary had won? This has nothing to do with process or justice. It has everything to do with political opportunism.
I disagree. Trump maybe accelerated the process slightly due to his blatant disregard for societal norms and willingness to flaunt this type of behavior for the world to see, but democrats have long been pushing for increased awareness of sexual harassment and sexual assault. As a rule, democrats appear to genuinely be opposed to this type of behavior. All the conversations that have been taking place are a result of significant effort to provide an environment where women are treated as people instead of sexual objects for men, where the word of women carries equal weight to the word of men. To claim that this is simply the result of Trump greatly trivializes the issue of sexual assault in a world where a significant number of women experience sexual violence.
 
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I disagree. Trump maybe accelerated the process slightly due to his blatant disregard for societal norms and willingness to flaunt this type of behavior for the world to see, but democrats have long been pushing for increased awareness of sexual harassment and sexual assault. As a rule, democrats appear to genuinely be opposed to this type of behavior. All the conversations that have been taking place are a result of significant effort to provide an environment where women are treated as people instead of sexual objects for men, where the word of women carries equal weight to the word of men. To claim that this is simply the result of Trump greatly trivializes the issue of sexual assault in a world where a significant number of women experience sexual violence.
I’ve never known a world where a significant number of women experience sexual violence. I’ve always worked in organizations with women in considerable positions of authority and zero tolerance policies towards sexual harassment. I’ve even seen creepy old executives shown the door for not changing with the times. It seems Hollywood, a few state capitols and our nation’s capitol never got the memo.

I don’t agree that Democrats are genuine because they placed a serial sexual predator in the White House.
 

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Whenever I stumble upon a claim like this I ask myself what the claimant's motive is. Flores claims that Biden kissed her on the back of the head. While strange, I have to ask myself why she would feel the need to (attempt) to tarnish another's reputation ... because of a kiss on the back of the head. Apparently, she was "mortified" by it.

The average person goes through much trauma during their life, yet celebrities can just open their mouths, claim to be the victim ... and people actually listen to them, while the average Joe is ignored.

Biden stated: ""In my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, I have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection, support and comfort. And not once - never - did I believe I acted inappropriately," I don't believe nor disbelieve him. I ask why ANYONE would care about a kiss on the back of the head.

Much ado about nothing ...
 
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I’ve never known a world where a significant number of women experience sexual violence. I’ve always worked in organizations with women in considerable positions of authority and zero tolerance policies towards sexual harassment. I’ve even seen creepy old executives shown the door for not changing with the times. It seems Hollywood, a few state capitols and our nation’s capitol never got the memo.

I don’t agree that Democrats are genuine because they placed a serial sexual predator in the White House.
Maybe I misunderstood, but I read this as you think that just because the women you know have never told you if they've experienced sexual violence that the issue doesn't exist. If this is the case, I highly recommend you educate yourself on the issue.

I do agree that the elite tend to think they are above the rules, and as a result there are certainly many in Hollywood and politics that are behind the times. This means that it is even more important that we continue to push to fix this, not that we should pass it off as political showmanship.

And just because Democrats put a serial sexual predator in the White House over two decades ago hardly means they aren't serious about the issue. They aren't perfect, but they are light years ahead of republicans.
 
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Maybe I misunderstood, but I read this as you think that just because the women you know have never told you if they've experienced sexual violence that the issue doesn't exist. If this is the case, I highly recommend you educate yourself on the issue.
Of course the issue is real.

I do agree that the elite tend to think they are above the rules, and as a result there are certainly many in Hollywood and politics that are behind the times. This means that it is even more important that we continue to push to fix this, not that we should pass it off as political showmanship.
There are also women who knowingly and willingly place themselves in the presence of wealthy men with full agency of what that means. I knew who Trump was when he was just a NY developer and celebrity. There are many men like him. I think its great that Weinstein got taken down. I don’t support what happened to Franken and Kavanaugh.

And just because Democrats put a serial sexual predator in the White House over two decades ago hardly means they aren't serious about the issue. They aren't perfect, but they are light years ahead of republicans.
It’s not that ancient of history. There are sitting Senators who voted along party lines to protect him. They may be light years ahead of Trump, but they also contributed to paving the road for him.
 

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I ask why ANYONE would care about a kiss on the back of the head.


It will certainly come up during the election cycle and will be something he has to address. Why anyone cares, politics. Someone sees at to their advantage to “care” so they do.

I don’t think Biden meant anything by it and yeah digging stuff like this is much ado about nothing imo. The lady bringing it up now I do like you question why. It seems a bit overboard to be outraged over.

But yeah guys can get too “handsy” and it may have made her uncomfortable at the time. Same with guys that walk around the office giving unwanted neck rubs. May have been tolerated a few decades ago but it’s almost 2020 now and you just can’t do that.
 
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Whenever I stumble upon a claim like this I ask myself what the claimant's motive is. Flores claims that Biden kissed her on the back of the head. While strange, I have to ask myself why she would feel the need to (attempt) to tarnish another's reputation ... because of a kiss on the back of the head. Apparently, she was "mortified" by it.

The average person goes through much trauma during their life, yet celebrities can just open their mouths, claim to be the victim ... and people actually listen to them, while the average Joe is ignored.

Biden stated: ""In my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, I have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection, support and comfort. And not once - never - did I believe I acted inappropriately," I don't believe nor disbelieve him. I ask why ANYONE would care about a kiss on the back of the head.

Much ado about nothing ...

Go to youtube and search for "creepy joe biden". Remember these are clips that aired on many stations including cspan.

If you think its much ado about nothing, theres something wrong with you.
 
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This alleged incident is total BS. Likewise the OP latched onto this like a lamprey in as part of his continuing campaign to hurt anyone that might get the Dem nomination, all part of his campaign to retain The Donald in office.

The real issue with Joe Biden is, if elected, he will be 78 at the start of his term. That's just too old, especially for a President who is going to have a job and a half just straightening out stuff Trump screwed up and putting out his fires. I really hope Joe doesn't jump into the ring
 

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Its not being a creep, its sexual assault. Something I called in 2017 and was mocked for by some here. The same people who claim Kav is guilty.

Repeatedly trying to kiss a female, especially when underage, and they are pulling away is sexual assault by definition. But he has been doing this forever. Interesting that certain networks/websites have ignored this. Which wouldnt be happening if it was someone else who is accused. Also interesting how so many here have claimed this is bogus. So much for believing all women. Oh wait, if its against certain men then believe all women. Gotcha.
 

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I'm now doubting that he'll run. Between these complaints and questions regarding his son's payment from the Ukraine it looks doubtful IMO.

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Its not being a creep, its sexual assault. Something I called in 2017 and was mocked for by some here. The same people who claim Kav is guilty.

Repeatedly trying to kiss a female, especially when underage, and they are pulling away is sexual assault by definition. But he has been doing this forever. Interesting that certain networks/websites have ignored this. Which wouldnt be happening if it was someone else who is accused. Also interesting how so many here have claimed this is bogus. So much for believing all women. Oh wait, if its against certain men then believe all women. Gotcha.
Ignored what? He hasn't even officially declared yet you fucking muppet.
 

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I disagree. Trump maybe accelerated the process slightly due to his blatant disregard for societal norms and willingness to flaunt this type of behavior for the world to see, but democrats have long been pushing for increased awareness of sexual harassment and sexual assault. As a rule, democrats appear to genuinely be opposed to this type of behavior. All the conversations that have been taking place are a result of significant effort to provide an environment where women are treated as people instead of sexual objects for men, where the word of women carries equal weight to the word of men. To claim that this is simply the result of Trump greatly trivializes the issue of sexual assault in a world where a significant number of women experience sexual violence.

That's a nice fairy tale but a fairy tale nonetheless, they started sacrificing many of their own when they could no longer hold the lid on the boiling pot.

Just like Trump supporters gloss over his flaws, democrat supporters do the same for those they consider their own.




How Harvey Weinstein Used His Liberal Politics To Cover Up His History Of Sexual Abuse

The Hollywood mogul’s public support of Democratic candidates and progressive causes helped insulate him from scrutiny.

Hollywood mega-producer Harvey Weinstein used his ties to high-profile Democratic politicians and support of liberal and progressive causes as a shield against scrutiny for his serial sexual predation, creating contradictory public and private images that allowed those around him to look the other way.

A New York Times report published Tuesday night, as well as other reporting in recent months, detailed how Weinstein employed his status as a political power broker to help conceal his years of abusive behavior and intimidate those who tried to blow the whistle.

Weinstein often cited his connections to Democratic politicians, such as donating to and hosting star-studded fundraisers for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The Times reported:

“I know the president of the United States. Who do you know?” Mr. Weinstein, a Democratic fund-raiser, would say during the years Barack Obama was in the White House, adding expletives. “I’m Harvey Weinstein,” he used to say. “You know what I can do.”

Clinton and Obama did not appear to know about Weinstein’s abusive behavior. And like many of his collaborators in the entertainment world, they issued statements condemning him and expressing shock and disgust following the initial Times and New Yorker reports in early October exposing his history of sexual misconduct.

“Michelle and I have been disgusted by the recent reports about Harvey Weinstein. Any man who demeans and degrades women in such fashion needs to be condemned and held accountable, regardless of wealth or status,” Obama said in a statement shortly after the initial stories.

The Obamas’ eldest daughter Malia, interested in filmmaking, worked as an intern at Weinstein’s production company earlier this year.

Clinton, who benefited from Weinstein’s deep pockets for years, similarly said she “was shocked and appalled by the revelations” about Weinstein and praised the “courage” of the women who spoke out about the mogul.

As recently as this fall, Weinstein and Clinton were working together on a television documentary about her campaign, according to the Times. Clinton scrapped the project as the stories about him emerged, her lawyer said.
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Kevin Mazur via Getty Images Hillary Clinton and Harvey Weinstein chat at a Lincoln Center gala in New York in 2012.

Beyond his ties to top Democrats, Weinstein’s public image included his support of progressive and feminist causes, which he even referenced in a statement apologizing for his behavior, proclaiming that “I so respect all women.” (He also said he would “channel [his] anger” into combating the National Rifle Association.)


Weinstein’s production company distributed the 2015 Oscar-nominated documentary “The Hunting Ground,” which documents the epidemic of sexual assault on college campuses.

In January, Weinstein was among many Hollywood figures who attended a women’s march at the Sundance Film Festival, part of the nationwide demonstration protesting President Donald Trump’s inauguration.

He established a scholarship fund to support emerging female filmmakers at the University of Southern California’s renowned film school. In October, he cited the $5 million donation in his apology statement, responding to the initial Times report detailing his years of settling sexual harassment claims.

Shortly after the story broke, USC said it would no longer accept his money.

Many in Hollywood cited his reputation as a humanitarian and champion for women and their careers, when expressing their shock at his behavior.

“The disgraceful news about Harvey Weinstein has appalled those of us whose work he championed, and those whose good and worthy causes he supported,” Meryl Streep said in a statement to HuffPost in October.

What now seems apparent is that Weinstein’s public support of these causes was part of creating a public persona to insulate himself from being punished for his private misdeeds.
 
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I've doubting that he'll run. Between these complaints and questions regarding his son's payment from the Ukraine it looks doubtful IMO.

Fern
Yeah we need to be vigilant. We wouldn't want a corrupt sonofabitch in the WH.
 
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Easy now lassie.

Nobody wanted Jumpin' Joe for president anyway.
That doesn't mean a dishonest slime job is excused. How about you guys try using nothing but the truth for a week. Think you can manage it?
 

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That's a nice fairy tale but a fairy tale nonetheless, they started sacrificing many of their own when they could no longer hold the lid on the boiling pot.

Just like Trump supporters gloss over his flaws, democrat supporters do the same for those they consider their own.




How Harvey Weinstein Used His Liberal Politics To Cover Up His History Of Sexual Abuse

The Hollywood mogul’s public support of Democratic candidates and progressive causes helped insulate him from scrutiny.
I feel like I've been thrown back to the late sixties, early seventies, all this gnashing of teeth about Hollywood elites an all. Nobody gives a shit now cause Trump.
 

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Doesnt make all the videos of him groping teen girls any creepier. Her claims have been caught on camera numerous times. Its a pattern. A disturbing one at that.
I really don't give a flying F cause I really don't want Joe. With Trump in office and all of the shit that surrounds him, you and your like can go F yourself with your concern hypocrisy.
 
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I really don't give a flying F cause I really don't want Joe. With Trump in office and all of the shit that surrounds him, you and your like can go F yourself with your concern hypocrisy.

This thread isnt about Trump (theres plenty of those already) its about Biden. If you dont give a f about Biden, why bother posting in here? Or are you just defending him?

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I'm now doubting that he'll run. Between these complaints and questions regarding his son's payment from the Ukraine it looks doubtful IMO.

Fern

So, what you're saying, is that he may not run due to him and/or the Democratic party having some level of decorum and proper-ness? Whereas ole "Grab 'em by the pussy" was either ignored and/or embraced by the candidate and party.