Biden and White House hold event to talk about made in America electric vehicles but doesn't invite Tesla

ponyo

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Am disappointed in Biden. He invited GM, Ford, and Chysler (Stellantis) to the EV event but not Tesla which is the most American EV company of all. I know Biden is all about the labor union but it's not a good look to exclude the company that's leading the electric vehicle revolution in the US and the world. Biden is good friends with Jim Chanos, who's longtime Tesla bear/critic and who's still short Tesla stock. But I thought Biden would be better. Even CNBC who hates Tesla is asking why Tesla wasn't invited.

 
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Considering Big 3 American brands manufacture (Mexico for US) and sell their vehicles internationally, I definitely don't see how they are holier than thou above Tesla.

Plus as far as the owner, were currently buddy-buddy with contracting with his equivalency with SpaceX... so... kinda weird to turn a cold shoulder to him.



Also... Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all just complete dog shit. I will never buy any of those brands... ever... unless they make drastic changes.
 

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Am disappointed in Biden. He invited GM, Ford, and Chysler (Stellantis) to the EV event but not Tesla which is the most American EV company of all. I know Biden is all about the labor union but it's not a good look to exclude the company that's leading the electric vehicle revolution in the US and the world. Biden is good friends with Jim Chanos, who's longtime Tesla bear/critic and who's still short Tesla stock. But I thought Biden would be better. Even CNBC who hates Tesla is asking why Tesla wasn't invited.


This is very disappointing, I dont know how many times Biden clearly stated that climate change is the most pressing issue the United States and the rest of the world faces . He said it many many times. Like you mention in OP... Tesla is leading the electric vehicle revolution... I would like to also add Tesla is a major player in clean home use electrical generation (powerwall and developing higher efficiency solar cell as well)
 

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Considering Big 3 American brands manufacture (Mexico for US) and sell their vehicles internationally, I definitely don't see how they are holier than thou above Tesla.

Plus as far as the owner, were currently buddy-buddy with contracting with his equivalency with SpaceX... so... kinda weird to turn a cold shoulder to him.



Also... Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all just complete dog shit. I will never buy any of those brands... ever... unless they make drastic changes.

As Ponyo noted, Musk is very anti-Union. In fact he basically threatened his employees if they unionized, bye bye stock options - basically saying go ahead, and I'll fuck you over somehow.

Stupid move Elon. Some people will support industry no matter how much they want to fuck over labor. We know about these people, they are a constant in our society.

I'm 50/50 on this but if Musk wasn't so dumb about being anti-labor, and his company didn't get caught lying a bunch about worker safety, he would have had a seat at the table is my guess. The first article from Bloomberg gets to the worker safety bit halfway through.


 

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Simple question.
If the announcement was to let everyone know
1. Automakers to raise gas mileage and cut tailpipe pollution between now and model year 2026,
2. Announce a voluntary commitment from the industry that electric vehicles comprise up to half of U.S. sales by the end of the decade.

Why would Tesla, a small volume manufacturer that already fucking makes 100% EV's need to attend? They have nothing to commit too.
Why would the administration NOT limit the invitees to high volume manufacturers that actually would have to do something to promote change.
 

ponyo

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As Ponyo noted, Musk is very anti-Union. In fact he basically threatened his employees if they unionized, bye bye stock options - basically saying go ahead, and I'll fuck you over somehow.

Stupid move Elon. Some people will support industry no matter how much they want to fuck over labor. We know about these people, they are a constant in our society.

I'm 50/50 on this but if Musk wasn't so dumb about being anti-labor, and his company didn't get caught lying a bunch about worker safety, he would have had a seat at the table is my guess. The first article from Bloomberg gets to the worker safety bit halfway through.


UAW is dinosaur. Trying to protect outdated jobs will only guarantee future failure. UAW and GM, Ford, and Chrysler are toast. Future is AI and automation. And Tesla is going to reveal to the world it's going to be one of the leaders in AI robotics at their upcoming AI Day on August 19th.

https://www.thestreet.com/tesla/news/tesla-begins-sending-out-ai-day-invitations
 

ponyo

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Simple question.
If the announcement was to let everyone know
1. Automakers to raise gas mileage and cut tailpipe pollution between now and model year 2026,
2. Announce a voluntary commitment from the industry that electric vehicles comprise up to half of U.S. sales by the end of the decade.

Why would Tesla, a small volume manufacturer that already fucking makes 100% EV's need to attend? They have nothing to commit too.
Why would the administration NOT limit the invitees to high volume manufacturers that actually would have to do something to promote change.
Let's cut the BS. This was UAW event and Tesla wasn't invited because they're non-union shop. That's the only reason. It's I scratch your back and you scratch mine BS. This kind of lobbying BS is why I don't follow either party and only look out for myself. Because that's what these politicians do. They don't care about any of this stuff. It's all lip service and about padding their bank accounts and votes.
 
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UAW is dinosaur. Trying to protect outdated jobs will only guarantee future failure. UAW and GM, Ford, and Chrysler are toast. Future is AI and automation. And Tesla is going to reveal to the world it's going to be one of the leaders in AI robotics at their upcoming AI Day on August 19th.

https://www.thestreet.com/tesla/news/tesla-begins-sending-out-ai-day-invitations

So what is your answer. Labor should be treated as lowest as possible sub-standard wage slaves and expendable physical bodies with little concern for their well-being, future lives, for their hard work?
 

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Let's cut the BS. This was UAW event and Tesla wasn't invited because they're non-union shop. That's the only reason. It's I scratch your back and you scratch mine BS. This kind of lobbying BS is why I don't follow either party and only look out for myself. Because that's what these politicians do. They don't care about any of this stuff. It's all lip service and about padding their bank accounts and votes.


It's a simple question
What was Tesla going to be contributing?
 
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This is a common argument of those who just want the captains of industries of old. Minimize the importance of basic but hard working labor, without which the companies would not exist, treat them like shit, nowadays the angle is just threaten AI and robotics, or outsourcing, or blame immigrants, they have a few options - and justify treating a good honest hard working job person as expendable pieces of shit, plus the better the company does by fucking over the workers, you get richer too! Double BONUS!

Gotta love humans.
 

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So what is your answer. Labor should be treated as lowest as possible sub-standard wage slaves and expendable physical bodies with little concern for their well-being, future lives, for their hard work?
thats the way its been, for decades. first they outsourced jobs to china, for pennies a day, now they are replacing all humans with robots.

the funny thing is in Star Trek they used this as an excuse to advance the human race and give people more freedom. you dont have to slave away 80 hours a week at a job you hated.
in the real world its reducing most of us to indentured servants and welfare dependent drones.
I have no idea what the future brings but to me it does not look good. I hope I'm dead before society collapses.
 
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ponyo

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It's a simple question
What was Tesla going to be contributing?
Tesla could've been invited and held up as example of what is possible if we fully convert to EV. Biden and the White House could've acknowledged the enormous contribution of Elon and Tesla and asked GM, Ford, and Chrysler to follow, match, and beat Tesla. Tesla is everything Biden administration is trying to do with the whole EV and climate change push. Yet, Biden excluded Tesla because they're non-union. Specifically non-UAW. I'm just disappointed in Biden. Like I said, I thought he was better. But I've should've known he's the same.
 

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Tesla could've been invited and held up as example of what is possible if we fully convert to EV. Biden and the White House could've acknowledged the enormous contribution of Elon and Tesla and asked GM, Ford, and Chrysler to follow, match, and beat Tesla. Tesla is everything Biden administration is trying to do with the whole EV and climate change push. Yet, Biden excluded Tesla because they're non-union. Specifically non-UAW. I'm just disappointed in Biden. Like I said, I thought he was better. But I've should've known he's the same.
This is why you wish Trump's coup had been successful? Because anti-labor pro-COVID Elon Musk wasn't invited to an event stressing how current non-electric-majority carmakers can start increasing the production of electric cars?

Yikes.

I hope your TESLA positions are going to be OK.
 

ponyo

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So what is your answer. Labor should be treated as lowest as possible sub-standard wage slaves and expendable physical bodies with little concern for their well-being, future lives, for their hard work?
By not joining UAW, Tesla workers received huge payday since everyone received Tesla stock. If I worked there, I would've asked to be paid entirely in Tesla stock just like Elon.
 

ponyo

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This is why you wish Trump's coup had been successful? Because anti-labor pro-COVID Elon Musk wasn't invited to an event stressing how current non-electric-majority carmakers can start increasing the production of electric cars?

Yikes.

I hope your TESLA positions are going to be OK.
Trump's coup? wtf are you talking about? When did I support Trump coup? You need to apologize because you're making up untrue crap.
 

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Tesla could've been invited and held up as example of what is possible if we fully convert to EV.

We all know people who have nothing better to do than fluff Elon Musk, but I have some news for you. That is not what Presidents do with their time. The automakers invited are well aware of the existence and successes of Tesla and it really didn’t need to be a Tesla PR stunt. I am sorry that it triggered you so.
 

MrSquished

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By not joining UAW, Tesla workers received huge payday since everyone received Tesla stock. If I worked there, I would've asked to be paid entirely in Tesla stock just like Elon.
I did a bunch of searching about what stock options Tesla employees get, and then specifically just general production workers.

Basically all I found is that executives and high level employees did make bank, production employees make far less than UAW workers in general, and nothing about any stocks compensating for that difference at all.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim? We are talking about blue collar workers, not just the executives and higher level white collar workers.
 
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Leeea

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He invited GM, Ford, and Chysler (Stellantis) to the EV event but not Tesla which is the most American EV company of all.


How is Biden or anyone else supposed to invite Tesla to a Public Relations event when Tesla has disbanded its Public Relations department?

An intern probably sent messages to Tesla and was ignored with all the other requests.
 
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People like the OP is why Musk is gonna be the version of Turmp that will be successful in bringing fascism back, and it'll be in some bizarre new form that combines the worst of all of the despotic regimes mixed with modern fanboy worship of corporations.

The question is, why would the OP want Musk at such an event? Seems like a waste of time for him. Hell, sure seems like Tesla has a hell of a lot more to gain by not going to such an event and instead can keep their street cred for not fluffing politicians for empty promises. Seems to me his time would be better spent eating CFA and experiencing the Mecca of strip clubs, Atlanta Georgia. At least there he could get free blow jobs from the OP.
 
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Tesla could've been invited and held up as example of what is possible if we fully convert to EV. Biden and the White House could've acknowledged the enormous contribution of Elon and Tesla and asked GM, Ford, and Chrysler to follow, match, and beat Tesla. Tesla is everything Biden administration is trying to do with the whole EV and climate change push. Yet, Biden excluded Tesla because they're non-union. Specifically non-UAW. I'm just disappointed in Biden. Like I said, I thought he was better. But I've should've known he's the same.
What world do you live in where GM, Ford, and Chrysler, don't know about Tesla and their accomplishments/contributions, to the point that you believe that Biden needs to parade him around as a trophy to demonstrate anything? The reality of it, is all of them know substantially more about Tesla than what Musk really wants them to know already.
 
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Tesla could've been invited and held up as example of what is possible if we fully convert to EV. Biden and the White House could've acknowledged the enormous contribution of Elon and Tesla and asked GM, Ford, and Chrysler to follow, match, and beat Tesla. Tesla is everything Biden administration is trying to do with the whole EV and climate change push. Yet, Biden excluded Tesla because they're non-union. Specifically non-UAW. I'm just disappointed in Biden. Like I said, I thought he was better. But I've should've known he's the same.
It just sounds like your anti UAW, have you ever been a member or worked in one of the factories?

BTW I know you're invested in Tesla and that's ok, but don't assume to know what's going on in the other factories.

By not joining UAW, Tesla workers received huge payday since everyone received Tesla stock. If I worked there, I would've asked to be paid entirely in Tesla stock just like Elon.
I can tell you for a fact Ford employees receive Ford stock as well. And robots and automation were implemented as far back as prior to 1994 when I first hired in and worked there for 12 years.

Being asked to be paid entirely in stock as a Factory worker is just not wise. Sure if you never had to enter the assembly plant that may be a move that is positive, but if you are on the plant floor it is ludicrous. No offense.