Bhagavad Gita Faces Ban in Russia

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It has come to light recently that a group part of the Christian Orthodox Church has pushed Russia to try and ban one of the seminal scriptures of Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita.

Source: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/212429/bhagavad-gita-faces-ban-russia.html

In the city of Tomsk, in Siberia, a court is going to rule (now on Dec. 28, 2011) whether to "ban" the Gita under the pretense of "extremist literature" along with the likes of Hitler's Mein Kampf.

This particular translation of the Gita, known as "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" was written by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada, the founder of the ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness) and is quite popular outside of India.

The Christian fanatics in Russia have been pushing to sideline Hinduism for a long time. In fact, Russia does NOT even recognize Hinduism as a religion; its four "main" religions are Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism.

Hinduism is the third largest religion in the world with about one billion followers. The Hare Krishna movement, the core of ISKCON, has spread like wildfire in Russia and that irks Christian fundamentalists.

The fact that these bible thumpers want to term the Gita, albeit a very recent translation of it, as "extremist" is highly laughable while setting an extremely dangerous precedent.

Perhaps the only questionable part of the translation by Prabhupada, that too contested by Hindus themselves, is his insistence that sUdrAs (laborers), women, and mlecchas (untouchables - non-Hindus) are of low birth. Yet, there is no call to harm these sections of society or kill them.

The Gita, in all of its 700 hymns, is NOT just a "Hindu" scripture but is esoteric philosophy for all of humanity. It is part of the historiography of Akhand Bharat (ancient India) and is a condensed version containing the seminal messages of the UpaniSads and the Vedas; a "Vedas for Dummies" if you will.

The Gita has been read by millions around the world and its aphorisms are uniformly praised and studied with serious scholarship. It was Henry David Thoreau who proudly stated:
"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavad-Gita, in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial."

When the first atomic bomb was detonated in Almogordo in New Mexico, one of the eminent physicists and Scientific Director of the Manhattan Project, Robert Oppenheimer, quoted the Bhagavad Gita as his reaction! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8H7Jibx-c0) He says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!"

The famous line of "I am become death" was even seen on the helmet of one of the soldiers in the movie, Full Metal Jacket.

One of the world's greatest historians, Arnold Toynbee said this of the Gita and Hindu philosophy in general:
‘‘There may or may not be only one single absolute truth and only one single ultimate way of salvation. We do not know. But we do know that there are more approaches to truth than one, and more means of salvation than one.This is a hard saying for adherents of the higher religions of the Judaic family (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), but it is a truism for Hindus. The spirit of mutual good-will, esteem, and veritable love ... is the traditional spirit of the religions of the Indian family. This is one of India’s gifts to the world.

It is despicable that Hindus are being targeted world over when they haven't been the aggressors militarily, politically, or socially. Such tactics by Abrahamics to corner, instigate, and terrorize Hindus has been going on for more than a thousand years now.

As Swami Vivekananda said to the Hindus of the world, "Uthishta Jagrata Prabhiyavaraan Nebhothatha!" (Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached!)

Some interesting Russian Hindus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7DOny-5TFE

The biggest travesty of this was that the Indian PM, Manmohan Singh, was just in Russia this past weekend to improve the bilateral ties between the two countries. :rolleyes:

Wiki on Gita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gita
 
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That's what you get when you take down the wall between Church and State.
Church becomes a tool of the state, and state a tool of the Church.
 

cybrsage

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Can't Hindus just wait it out, they get reincarnated as better and better people while those who disagree turn into the untouchables who are not allowed to be given food and water because cows are more important than they are.
 

OutHouse

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OP you live in California. if you care so much get a #occupyTomskinSiberia protest going
 

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Maybe there is more to the story than what is posted ? India is dirt poor and it has more than 1 billion people there crammed in like sardines. Maybe there are a mass amount of Indians illegally moving to Russia, and its creating a backlash amongst the native Russian people ? Its not impossible. Russia, even its poorest parts are still 10x a better place to live at than most areas of India.

And besides who cares. The media devotes attention to Christians trying to ban a religion [which will likely fail] and yet they rarely condemn the Saudis, the Pakistanis, or other Muslim nations for outright killing anyone who is not a Muslim. Nice priorities there right ? Highlight Christians who are talking about banning a religon, while ignoring entire nations who will kill you for even muttering a verse from a religion that is not Islam...
 

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The fact that these bible thumpers want to term the Gita, albeit a very recent translation of it, as "extremist" is highly laughable while setting an extremely dangerous precedent.

Primitive, hateful, authoritarian, bible-thumping commie bastards in their laughably ill-tailored suits!

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gevorg

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It has come to light recently that a group part of the Christian Orthodox Church has pushed Russia to try and ban one of the seminal scriptures of Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita.

Source: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/212429/bhagavad-gita-faces-ban-russia.html

In the city of Tomsk, in Siberia, a court is going to rule (now on Dec. 28, 2011) whether to "ban" the Gita under the pretense of "extremist literature" along with the likes of Hitler's Mein Kampf.

This particular translation of the Gita, known as "Bhagavad Gita As It Is" was written by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada, the founder of the ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness) and is quite popular outside of India.

The Christian fanatics in Russia have been pushing to sideline Hinduism for a long time. In fact, Russia does NOT even recognize Hinduism as a religion; its four "main" religions are Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism.

Hinduism is the third largest religion in the world with about one billion followers. The Hare Krishna movement, the core of ISKCON, has spread like wildfire in Russia and that irks Christian fundamentalists.

The fact that these bible thumpers want to term the Gita, albeit a very recent translation of it, as "extremist" is highly laughable while setting an extremely dangerous precedent.

Perhaps the only questionable part of the translation by Prabhupada, that too contested by Hindus themselves, is his insistence that sUdrAs (laborers), women, and mlecchas (untouchables - non-Hindus) are of low birth. Yet, there is no call to harm these sections of society or kill them.

The Gita, in all of its 700 hymns, is NOT just a "Hindu" scripture but is esoteric philosophy for all of humanity. It is part of the historiography of Akhand Bharat (ancient India) and is a condensed version containing the seminal messages of the UpaniSads and the Vedas; a "Vedas for Dummies" if you will.

The Gita has been read by millions around the world and its aphorisms are uniformly praised and studied with serious scholarship. It was Henry David Thoreau who proudly stated:

When the first atomic bomb was detonated in Almogordo in New Mexico, one of the eminent physicists and Scientific Director of the Manhattan Project, Robert Oppenheimer, quoted the Bhagavad Gita as his reaction! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8H7Jibx-c0) He says, "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!"

The famous line of "I am become death" was even seen on the helmet of one of the soldiers in the movie, Full Metal Jacket.

One of the world's greatest historians, Arnold Toynbee said this of the Gita and Hindu philosophy in general:

It is despicable that Hindus are being targeted world over when they haven't been the aggressors militarily, politically, or socially. Such tactics by Abrahamics to corner, instigate, and terrorize Hindus has been going on for more than a thousand years now.

As Swami Vivekananda said to the Hindus of the world, "Uthishta Jagrata Prabhiyavaraan Nebhothatha!" (Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached!)

Some interesting Russian Hindus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7DOny-5TFE

The biggest travesty of this was that the Indian PM, Manmohan Singh, was just in Russia this past weekend to improve the bilateral ties between the two countries. :rolleyes:

Wiki on Gita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gita

Wow, this is better than Scientology advertisement. Where do I sign up? Occupy #Tomsk
 

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Maybe there is more to the story than what is posted ? India is dirt poor and it has more than 1 billion people there crammed in like sardines. Maybe there are a mass amount of Indians illegally moving to Russia, and its creating a backlash amongst the native Russian people ? Its not impossible. Russia, even its poorest parts are still 10x a better place to live at than most areas of India.

And besides who cares. The media devotes attention to Christians trying to ban a religion [which will likely fail] and yet they rarely condemn the Saudis, the Pakistanis, or other Muslim nations for outright killing anyone who is not a Muslim. Nice priorities there right ? Highlight Christians who are talking about banning a religon, while ignoring entire nations who will kill you for even muttering a verse from a religion that is not Islam...

Googling for articles on this turns up a bunch of non-mainstream websites ... not exactly breaking news on BBC now. But I'm more perplexed about why you think muslims aren't condemned when they kill people for religious reasons... are you actually suggesting that the media hides islam-fulled crimes from the general viewers? Have we been watching the same television during the past decade? I ... ppshhh mind=blown.jpg
 

cybrsage

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Primitive, hateful, authoritarian, bible-thumping commie bastards in their laughably ill-tailored suits!

LIAR!!! His suit is right off the rack, no tailoring at all! Claiming it is ill-tailored...you are just trying to make him look bad. :whiste:
 

Nebor

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The reality is that Baasha is just Infohawk's alter ego account. They are one and the same.

Pretty bold accusation coming from someone who's other account isn't even an alter ego, but just an extension of the original ego. :p
 
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How many in here still remember getting assaulted at airports by the Hare Krishna crew in the 70s? I wonder if it's common at Domodedovo now?
 

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How many in here still remember getting assaulted at airports by the Hare Krishna crew in the 70s? I wonder if it's common at Domodedovo now?

I definitely remember those loons at the airport, always asking for money and bugging you with their crappy handouts. Thank goodness that seems to have gone away somewhat, at least at the airports I've been around.
 

peonyu

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Googling for articles on this turns up a bunch of non-mainstream websites ... not exactly breaking news on BBC now. But I'm more perplexed about why you think muslims aren't condemned when they kill people for religious reasons... are you actually suggesting that the media hides islam-fulled crimes from the general viewers? Have we been watching the same television during the past decade? I ... ppshhh mind=blown.jpg

There is media coverage on it but its all selective coverage. How often have the Church burnings in Egypt been covered since the Arab spring in the popular press ? Hardly at all, they are to concerned with making sure everyone thinks everything is going in a pro-democracy direction over there. What about our Libyan Democracy "brothers", who hate Jews so much that even a Libyan-Jew was forced to be holed up in a Hotel for a week, otherwise he would be mobbed to death...Not much coverage on that either. But oh, some Christians commit a thought crime in Russia by wanting to ban a hindu religion and suddenly its front page news.
 

hal2kilo

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How many in here still remember getting assaulted at airports by the Hare Krishna crew in the 70s? I wonder if it's common at Domodedovo now?

Nothing wrong with Hinduism per se but the Hare Krishna sect? Oh boy. In the 80s and 90s there were charges of false inprisonment, and sexual abuse in their boarding schools in the US and India. As a matter of fact ISKON got sued and they declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy in this country. Apparently, they reorganized and are still expanding in Eastern Europe and apparently Russia.
 
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Munky

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So it's okay for the libnuts in USA to disallow parents from naming their kid "Adolf" but it's not OK for Cristians in Russia to ban books written by Hitler? Double-standard much?

I'm glad Russia doesn't bow down to the politically-correct BS like this.
 

kalster

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thats funny. I guess its due to India not buying those stupid aircrafts from Ruskis that has them pissed off
 

DesiPower

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There must be some back story to it. Indian immigrants or immigrants from any 3rd world country in general can be pretty annoying. They come from a country where they have never seen so many resources freely available, they also generally are deprived of articles of basic need. Their culture is different and hence the way of interacting with people. As a result they can be rude, insulting selfish and abuse the resources. Now maybe these Russians might have faced all or some of these issues and there's no better way to hit back than to hit their religion, they might simply be venting their frustration.

Gita is a great book, its a philosophy, a guide to leading your life. As with any other philosophy including Christianity, some of its teaching can be interpreted as violent, for example, one can interpret some of Gita's teaching as something like - I am the only god, believe in me and me only, anyone else who proclaims himself as god must be a devil and not believing in me will take you closer to doom. Or another - you should protect your family and you may kill whoever you need to to protect them, not doing so is a sin. Sounds familiar? well, its all in the interpretation.

My point is, I don't blame those Russians, something must have irked them, such a remote place of the world cannot have, out of the blue, suddenly decided to attack Gita. If you take your religion and believes to places, you better be prepared to debate and defend it. Its not like all Indians in India are open to all foreigners and their religions...
 
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